Mysteries of QBR

[jebrick]

I'll take a little bit of subjectivity over blindly counting all stats the same way

There are way too many subjective stats thrown into QBR. Another one, QB getting sacked doesn't determine pressure, or somebody missing a block, or yards lost, or what particular down at what particular area on the field...it's just such a BS stat that I think the rating system we have been using for years is still overall, the best measure for an individual game or season.

That's a hard to conclusion to support. You've got something broken (passer rating). And you don't like the alternative because it only fixes half of the problems. Isn't fixing half the problems better than fixing non of the problems?[/quote]

It does not fix the problems by having a subjective stats in the formula. It is like having a pitcher quality stat where someone reviews all of the pitches and decides if the umpire got the call right or if the air quality effected the pitch.

[jeemie]

another case where stats are for losers

These ratings don't account for decision making. They don't tell you he hit the 7 yard checkdown on 3rd & 9 when the backside skinny post had an open window for the first down because the LB didn't get to his landmark. It doesn't tell you the QB read zone and didn't check out of the double post in man coverage. It doesn't tell you he folds in the face of pressure up the middle and hurries his throws. Doesn't tell you took an improper depth to his drop which threw the timing of the route off.

But it will tell you about how many fantasy points he had

Watching the tape does tell you these things

Stats used correctly aren't for losers.

No stat tells you everything, nor should anyone attempt to design one that will.

Stats are markers that can guide you where to look more deeply.

[Legacy User]

another case where stats are for losers

These ratings don't account for decision making. They don't tell you he hit the 7 yard checkdown on 3rd & 9 when the backside skinny post had an open window for the first down because the LB didn't get to his landmark. It doesn't tell you the QB read zone and didn't check out of the double post in man coverage. It doesn't tell you he folds in the face of pressure up the middle and hurries his throws. Doesn't tell you took an improper depth to his drop which threw the timing of the route off.

But it will tell you about how many fantasy points he had

Watching the tape does tell you these things

Stats used correctly aren't for losers.

No stat tells you everything, nor should anyone attempt to design one that will.

Stats are markers that can guide you where to look more deeply.

Which stat from that game tells us what the outcome of Chiefs game will be?

[jeemie]

Which stat from that game tells us what the outcome of Chiefs game will be?

What from tape study tells you what it will be?

Have you ever asked yourself why you hold areas of expertise in which you are not skilled in contempt?

It's a serious question- I find such behavior bizarre.

I am not skilled in film study.

Unlike you, I understand its value and utility, and admire those that do it well.

[Legacy User]

Which stat from that game tells us what the outcome of Chiefs game will be?

What from tape study tells you what it will be?

Have you ever asked yourself why you hold areas of expertise in which you are not skilled in contempt?

It's a serious question- I find such behavior bizarre.

I am not skilled in film study.

Unlike you, I understand its value and utility, and admire those that do it well.

Im not "skilled" in either area

Lets just look at this way. When you hear teams talking about preparing for their upcoming opponents, are they watching film or studying last week stat lines?

I get statistics dominate your profession, but it doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. The stats are a RESULT of what they see and adjust to on tape. Stats are only a by-product, not an indicator.

You have shown you don't recognize the difference between "opinion" and "informed opinion". And by informed opinion a good example is how you undermined my post on Steve Young the other night as if your opinion carries the same weight as his. Right or wrong, it doesn't. Experience vs statistics isn't even debateable in mind

As message board fans, as much as we all pound our chests to be experts, and we all do it, we're operating off of less than 20% of the information we need to make an actual informed opinion over someone with experience in the matter.

Your statistic angle reminds me of golf analogy I heard once. "80% of the putts you leave short never make it to the hole"

[jeemie]

Im not "skilled" in either area

Lets just look at this way. When you hear teams talking about preparing for their upcoming opponents, are they watching film or studying last week stat lines?

Any good coach worth his salt is using both. Charting opponents tendencies in certain downs and distances are a use of statistics, for example.

I get statistics dominate your profession, but it doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. The stats are a RESULT of what they see and adjust to on tape. Stats are only a by-product, not an indicator.

That you believe this shows you do not understand the definition of the word "indicator". Hint "indicator" does not mean "predict the future with absolute certainty". It IS an indicator for you. I.e. If 85% of the time, a team runs the ball from a certain formation on 2nd and 4 or less yards to go in the first quarter, then it is probably safe to call a defense primarily against the run. But a good coach will also tell his players to look for any signs that it's the 15% of the time they AREN'T going to run the ball- which is where film study will supplement stats.

You have shown you don't recognize the difference between "opinion" and "informed opinion". And by informed opinion a good example is how you undermined my post on Steve Young the other night as if your opinion carries the same weight as his. Right or wrong, it doesn't. Experience vs statistics isn't even debateable in mind

Your example of Steve Young is false because Steve Young only offered an undefinable, unverifiable belief. As I told you at the time, if he had offered an opinion on the best offensive playcall to defeat a certain defensive look, and I downplayed it, then yes, that would be a case where I substituted my own opinion for more informed opinion. And I will admit there are times where I have done that- have tried to do it less often recently.

However, Steve Young's opinion was not of that nature in the slightest- he offered an opinion phrased in a way that makes it impossible to validate. "Scoring TDs in the red zone means the quarterback went above and beyond the call of duty" is not verifiable in any way, shape, or form...therefore his subject matter expertise means nothing...it's simply his unverified belief. Peyton Manning, another subject matter expert, might say "Nah...scoring TDs in the red zone is easy for me! It doesn't take any extra effort on my part."

The Steve Young example you chose was a textbook example of you making an unwarranted appeal to authority. Young stated an unverifiable belief...his expertise means little in that case.

[Legacy User]

I would normally respond back, but when you break a post up like that I'm not going to waste my time formatting my own response so its legible

I'll leave you with this, we have different definitions of the word statistics then. Because if you use tendencies as a statistic, its a by product of film study.

As for Steve Young, he's forgotten things you don't even know exist. I call it not knowing what you don't know. You may disagree, but your opinion certainly doesn't carry close to as much weight as his. And I"m sure you're familiar with weighted statistics. A feather vs a brick in this instance.

[jeemie]

I would normally respond back, but when you break a post up like that I'm not going to waste my time formatting my own response so its legible

I'll leave you with this, we have different definitions of the word statistics then. Because if you use tendencies as a statistic, its a by product of film study.

As for Steve Young, he's forgotten things you don't even know exist. I call it not knowing what you don't know. You may disagree, but your opinion certainly doesn't carry close to as much weight as his. And I"m sure you're familiar with weighted statistics. A feather vs a brick in this instance.

a) There's only one definition of the word "statistics". There is not "my definition" and "your definition". Words mean things. Maybe this is why so many people have trouble communicating with you....because you obviously believe differently. All statistics are a byproduct of SOMETHING.

b) Re: Steve Young- I will say it again- what he said was an UNVERIFIABLE BELIEF on his part, and so therefore, his subject matter expertise means LITTLE. I didn't even take a stance on his opinion- I simply told you that to bring up that particular opinion was a textbook example of appeal to authority. I'll use my example again.

Steve Young says "Scoring FGs in the red zone means the offense did what was expected of it. Socring TDs means the offense went above and beyond the call of duty".

Peyton Manning says "Scoring FGs in the red zone means the offense failed. Scoring TDs in the red zone means the offense did what was expected of it".

Both are excellent football subject matter experts. They have just offered up mutually exclusive opinions. How do I distinguish which one is more valid?

[tunch]

a) There's only one definition of the word "statistics". There is not "my definition" and "your definition". Words mean things. Maybe this is why so many people have trouble communicating with you....because you obviously believe differently. All statistics are a byproduct of SOMETHING.

This should be interesting in five years when SportVU comes to the NFL and literally every player movement is trackable and quantifiable.......

..... and IC begins with his argument that statistics cannot quantify grit, guts, and ballhair and are therefore useless in all applications.

[Legacy User]

a) There's only one definition of the word "statistics". There is not "my definition" and "your definition". Words mean things. Maybe this is why so many people have trouble communicating with you....because you obviously believe differently. All statistics are a byproduct of SOMETHING.

This should be interesting in five years when SportVU comes to the NFL and literally every player movement is trackable and quantifiable.......

..... and IC begins with his argument that statistics cannot quantify grit, guts, and ballhair and are therefore useless in all applications.

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Hopefully someday you can explain to me how one forms an anonymous internet obsession like the one you have with me. Its rare you post here without me in mind.

I hope it gets better for you

Merry Christmas

[jeemie]

I just realized that tendencies are not a product of film study.

Tendencies are simply a statistical measure of what the team did on the field.

Film study is the deeper study of a team's tendencies.

A simple tendency stat might be "The Steelers run 85% on 2nd and 4 or less to go on their side of the 50.

Film study provides more nuance. What formations were they using? What looks did they show? Can they run or pass out of that look, and does the QB have a tell so you can guess which is coming?

Stats and actual looking at film are complimentary.

Their importance relative to one another is not absolute. They change depending on the situation, the question you are trying to answer, etc.

That is why when you disparage an avenue of knowledge, or rely overly much on one avenue over the others, you are only short-changing yourself.

[lifelongsteel]

People like to rank shit. This is just an attempt to try to rank who's the best QB.

Not sure how this became a "stats are for nerds" vs. "without stats you'll fall behind" thing.

[Legacy User]

I just realized that tendencies are not a product of film study.

Tendencies are simply a statistical measure of what the team did on the field.

Film study is the deeper study of a team's tendencies.

A simple tendency stat might be "The Steelers run 85% on 2nd and 4 or less to go on their side of the 50.

Film study provides more nuance. What formations were they using? What looks did they show? Can they run or pass out of that look, and does the QB have a tell so you can guess which is coming?

Stats and actual looking at film are complimentary.

Their importance relative to one another is not absolute. They change depending on the situation, the question you are trying to answer, etc.

That is why when you disparage an avenue of knowledge, or rely overly much on one avenue over the others, you are only short-changing yourself.

as it pertains to football, how do you recognize a tendency without actually having watched the game(s) ?

[tunch]

Hopefully someday you can explain to me how one forms an anonymous internet obsession like the one you have with me. Its rare you post here without me in mind.

I hope it gets better for you

Merry Christmas

It's because your posting makes me embarrassed to be a Steelers fan.

[Legacy User]

Hopefully someday you can explain to me how one forms an anonymous internet obsession like the one you have with me. Its rare you post here without me in mind.

I hope it gets better for you

Merry Christmas

It's because your posting makes me embarrassed to be a Steelers fan.

I see it still hasn't gotten better for you

it will, you hang in there

[jeemie]

as it pertains to football, how do you recognize a tendency without actually having watched the game(s) ?

I just explained how you do it.

You can get high level tendencies simply by charting plays.

You get the nuances by watching film.

[Legacy User]

as it pertains to football, how do you recognize a tendency without actually having watched the game(s) ?

I just explained how you do it.

You can get high level tendencies simply by charting plays.

You get the nuances by watching film.

how do you chart plays if you don't watch the game?

[stillthere]

as it pertains to football, how do you recognize a tendency without actually having watched the game(s) ?

I just explained how you do it.

You can get high level tendencies simply by charting plays.

You get the nuances by watching film.

how do you chart plays if you don't watch the game?

1st Quarter
Pittsburgh Steelers at 15:00
5-M.Bosher kicks 65 yards from ATL 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-PIT 20 (15:00) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown to PIT 29 for 9 yards (27-R.McClain).
2-1-PIT 29 (14:24) 26-L.Bell right tackle to PIT 31 for 2 yards (71-K.Biermann; 27-R.McClain).
1-10-PIT 31 (13:45) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep middle to 84-A.Brown to PIT 49 for 18 yards (21-D.Trufant).
1-10-PIT 49 (13:05) 26-L.Bell left guard to 50 for 1 yard (55-P.Worrilow).
2-9- (12:20) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 10-M.Bryant pushed ob at ATL 36 for 14 yards (20-D.Lowery).
1-10-ATL 36 (11:37) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 26-L.Bell to ATL 25 for 11 yards (55-P.Worrilow).
1-10-ATL 25 (10:53) 26-L.Bell right guard to ATL 20 for 5 yards (55-P.Worrilow; 59-J.Bartu).
2-5-ATL 20 (10:09) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell left end to ATL 20 for no gain (55-P.Worrilow; 99-T.Jackson).
3-5-ATL 20 (9:21) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to 83-H.Miller [55-P.Worrilow].
4-5-ATL 20 (9:14) 6-S.Suisham 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-B.Wing.
PIT 3 ATL 0 Plays: 10 Possession: 5:51
Atlanta Falcons at 09:09
6-S.Suisham kicks 61 yards from PIT 35 to ATL 4. 17-D.Hester to ATL 20 for 16 yards (29-S.Thomas).
1-10-ATL 20 (9:03) 39-S.Jackson right end to ATL 28 for 8 yards (94-L.Timmons; 25-B.McCain).
2-2-ATL 28 (8:28) 68-G.Carimi reported in as eligible. 39-S.Jackson left end to ATL 28 for no gain (91-S.Tuitt).
3-2-ATL 28 (7:49) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 17-D.Hester pushed ob at ATL 33 for 5 yards (22-W.Gay).
1-10-ATL 33 (7:11) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 83-H.Douglas to ATL 42 for 9 yards (22-W.Gay) [93-J.Worilds].
2-1-ATL 42 (6:37) 39-S.Jackson left tackle to PIT 46 for 12 yards (22-W.Gay).
1-10-PIT 46 (6:00) 39-S.Jackson right guard to PIT 44 for 2 yards (51-S.Spence).
2-8-PIT 44 (5:24) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to 83-H.Douglas.
3-8-PIT 44 (5:20) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep middle to 84-R.White.
4-8-PIT 44 (5:11) 5-M.Bosher punts 36 yards to PIT 8, Center-47-J.Harris, fair catch by 84-A.Brown.
Pittsburgh Steelers at 05:04
1-10-PIT 8 (5:04) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell left tackle to PIT 10 for 2 yards (98-C.Matthews).
2-8-PIT 10 (4:10) 26-L.Bell left guard to PIT 16 for 6 yards (53-P.Shembo; 96-P.Soliai).
3-2-PIT 16 (3:34) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 26-L.Bell to ATL 40 for 44 yards (20-D.Lowery).
1-10-ATL 40 (2:58) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 83-H.Miller to ATL 32 for 8 yards (36-K.Ishmael).
2-2-ATL 32 (2:17) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 11-M.Wheaton ran ob at ATL 23 for 9 yards.
1-10-ATL 23 (1:42) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger sacked at ATL 30 for -7 yards (96-P.Soliai).
2-17-ATL 30 (:55) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to 10-M.Bryant (27-R.McClain).
3-17-ATL 30 (:48) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown to ATL 20 for 10 yards (36-K.Ishmael; 55-P.Worrilow).
4-7-ATL 20 (:07) 6-S.Suisham 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-B.Wing.
PIT 6 ATL 0 Plays: 9 Possession: 5:02
Atlanta Falcons at 00:02
6-S.Suisham kicks 70 yards from PIT 35 to ATL -5. 17-D.Hester ran ob at ATL 38 for 43 yards (41-A.Blake).
END QUARTER 1
2nd Quarter
Atlanta Falcons continues ...
1-10-ATL 38 (15:00) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle intended for 83-H.Douglas INTERCEPTED by 22-W.Gay at PIT 48. 22-W.Gay for 52 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Atlanta Falcons at 14:46
6-S.Suisham kicks 46 yards from PIT 35 to ATL 19. 98-C.Matthews (didn't try to advance) to ATL 21 for 2 yards.
1-10-ATL 21 (14:45) 39-S.Jackson right guard to ATL 23 for 2 yards (55-A.Moats; 94-L.Timmons).
2-8-ATL 23 (14:05) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 83-H.Douglas to ATL 32 for 9 yards (98-V.Williams).
1-10-ATL 32 (13:27) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 32-J.Rodgers pushed ob at ATL 34 for 2 yards (22-W.Gay) [98-V.Williams]. PENALTY on ATL-83-H.Douglas, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at ATL 32 - No Play.
1-20-ATL 22 (13:08) 24-D.Freeman right end to ATL 32 for 10 yards (43-T.Polamalu).
2-10-ATL 32 (12:27) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 84-R.White to ATL 36 for 4 yards (41-A.Blake) [98-V.Williams].
3-6-ATL 36 (11:47) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to 84-R.White.
4-6-ATL 36 (11:43) 5-M.Bosher punts 51 yards to PIT 13, Center-47-J.Harris. 84-A.Brown pushed ob at PIT 44 for 31 yards (5-M.Bosher).
Pittsburgh Steelers at 11:29
1-10-PIT 44 (11:29) 26-L.Bell left end to PIT 41 for -3 yards (36-K.Ishmael, 59-J.Bartu).
2-13-PIT 41 (10:46) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short right to 26-L.Bell (99-T.Jackson).
3-13-PIT 41 (10:39) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 84-A.Brown ran ob at ATL 48 for 11 yards (36-K.Ishmael).
4-2-ATL 48 (10:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on PIT-7-B.Roethlisberger, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 48 - No Play.
4-7-PIT 47 (9:56) 9-B.Wing punts 38 yards to ATL 15, Center-60-G.Warren, fair catch by 17-D.Hester.
Atlanta Falcons at 09:48
1-10-ATL 15 (9:48) 39-S.Jackson right end pushed ob at ATL 17 for 2 yards (25-B.McCain).
2-8-ATL 17 (9:11) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 39-S.Jackson to ATL 28 for 11 yards (98-V.Williams; 25-B.McCain) [95-J.Jones].
1-10-ATL 28 (8:32) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to PIT 48 for 24 yards (22-W.Gay).
1-10-PIT 48 (7:51) 32-J.Rodgers right tackle to PIT 47 for 1 yard (43-T.Polamalu). PIT-94-L.Timmons was injured during the play. His return is Probable.
2-9-PIT 47 (7:18) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 83-H.Douglas to PIT 37 for 10 yards (98-V.Williams).
1-10-PIT 37 (6:39) 32-J.Rodgers left guard to PIT 35 for 2 yards (43-T.Polamalu).
2-8-PIT 35 (5:58) 2-M.Ryan sacked at PIT 46 for -11 yards (93-J.Worilds). PENALTY on PIT-93-J.Worilds, Roughing the Passer, 14 yards, enforced at PIT 35 - No Play.
1-10-PIT 21 (5:47) 24-D.Freeman right end pushed ob at PIT 14 for 7 yards (41-A.Blake).
2-3-PIT 14 (5:07) 68-G.Carimi reported in as eligible. 24-D.Freeman left end to PIT 17 for -3 yards (51-S.Spence).
3-6-PIT 17 (4:27) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass deep right to 17-D.Hester for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
3-M.Bryant extra point is GOOD, Center-47-J.Harris, Holder-5-M.Bosher.
PIT 13 ATL 7 Plays: 9 Possession: 5:29
Pittsburgh Steelers at 04:19
5-M.Bosher kicks 65 yards from ATL 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-PIT 20 (4:19) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 10-M.Bryant to PIT 33 for 13 yards (21-D.Trufant).
1-10-PIT 33 (3:38) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell right tackle to PIT 34 for 1 yard (71-K.Biermann; 91-C.Peters).
2-9-PIT 34 (2:41) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 11-M.Wheaton to PIT 39 for 5 yards (27-R.McClain).
Two-Minute Warning
3-4-PIT 39 (2:00) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 26-L.Bell to PIT 44 for 5 yards (20-D.Lowery; 36-K.Ishmael).
1-10-PIT 44 (1:32) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to 16-L.Moore.
2-10-PIT 44 (1:27) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 11-M.Wheaton to ATL 47 for 9 yards (55-P.Worrilow).
Timeout #1 by PIT at 01:19.
3-1-ATL 47 (1:19) 26-L.Bell right tackle to ATL 45 for 2 yards (55-P.Worrilow; 36-K.Ishmael).
Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:14.
1-10-ATL 45 (1:14) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 26-L.Bell to ATL 38 for 7 yards (36-K.Ishmael; 55-P.Worrilow).
2-3-ATL 38 (:50) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 83-H.Miller to ATL 29 for 9 yards (26-J.Wilson).
1-10-ATL 29 (:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2-10-ATL 29 (:37) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep left to 84-A.Brown. The Replay Official challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to 84-A.Brown ran ob at ATL 1 for 28 yards.
1-1-ATL 1 (:31) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-B.Wing.
PIT 20 ATL 7 Plays: 12 Possession: 3:52
Atlanta Falcons at 00:27
6-S.Suisham kicks 65 yards from PIT 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-ATL 20 (:27) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 24-D.Freeman to ATL 29 for 9 yards (98-V.Williams). PIT-98-V.Williams was injured during the play. His return is Probable.
Timeout #1 by ATL at 00:21.
2-1-ATL 29 (:21) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 80-L.Toilolo to ATL 33 for 4 yards (50-R.Shazier).
Timeout #2 by ATL at 00:11.
1-10-ATL 33 (:11) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 32-J.Rodgers to ATL 45 for 12 yards (97-C.Heyward).
Timeout #3 by ATL at 00:01.
1-10-ATL 45 (:00) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan scrambles left end to ATL 48 for 3 yards (50-R.Shazier).
END QUARTER 2
3rd Quarter
Atlanta Falcons at 15:00
6-S.Suisham kicks 65 yards from PIT 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-ATL 20 (15:00) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 17-D.Hester to PIT 34 for 46 yards (23-M.Mitchell).
1-10-PIT 34 (14:05) 2-M.Ryan pass deep left to 83-H.Douglas to PIT 18 for 16 yards (22-W.Gay).
1-10-PIT 18 (13:23) 68-G.Carimi reported in as eligible. 39-S.Jackson right end to PIT 20 for -2 yards (43-T.Polamalu). PENALTY on ATL-63-J.Blalock, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 18 - No Play.
1-20-PIT 28 (13:02) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 84-R.White pushed ob at PIT 22 for 6 yards (22-W.Gay).
2-14-PIT 22 (12:29) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 84-R.White to PIT 14 for 8 yards (20-W.Allen). FUMBLES (20-W.Allen), recovered by ATL-42-P.DiMarco at PIT 16. 42-P.DiMarco to PIT 16 for no gain (51-S.Spence).
3-8-PIT 16 (11:35) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 83-H.Douglas to PIT 10 for 6 yards (94-L.Timmons).
4-2-PIT 10 (11:04) 3-M.Bryant 28 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-J.Harris, Holder-5-M.Bosher.
PIT 20 ATL 10 Plays: 6 Possession: 4:00
Pittsburgh Steelers at 11:00
5-M.Bosher kicks 71 yards from ATL 35 to PIT -6. 11-M.Wheaton to PIT 26 for 32 yards (28-J.Arenas). ATL-26-J.Wilson was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
1-10-PIT 26 (10:54) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell right tackle to PIT 37 for 11 yards (36-K.Ishmael).
1-10-PIT 37 (10:13) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell right guard to PIT 38 for 1 yard (93-M.Goodman; 59-J.Bartu).
2-9-PIT 38 (9:25) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 84-A.Brown to PIT 46 for 8 yards (21-D.Trufant). Penalty on PIT-84-A.Brown, Face Mask (15 Yards), declined. PENALTY on PIT-84-A.Brown, Taunting, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
3-16-PIT 31 (8:54) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to 10-M.Bryant.
4-16-PIT 31 (8:54) 9-B.Wing punts 55 yards to ATL 14, Center-60-G.Warren. 17-D.Hester ran ob at ATL 21 for 7 yards (57-T.Garvin).
Atlanta Falcons at 08:44
1-10-ATL 21 (8:44) 39-S.Jackson right end to ATL 24 for 3 yards (91-S.Tuitt; 93-J.Worilds).
2-7-ATL 24 (8:06) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 32-J.Rodgers.
3-7-ATL 24 (8:01) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass deep right to 83-H.Douglas pushed ob at ATL 43 for 19 yards (41-A.Blake).
1-10-ATL 43 (7:33) 39-S.Jackson left end to PIT 45 for 12 yards (23-M.Mitchell).
1-10-PIT 45 (6:53) (No Huddle) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 84-R.White pushed ob at PIT 39 for 6 yards (41-A.Blake).
2-4-PIT 39 (6:20) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan scrambles right end to PIT 27 for 12 yards (94-L.Timmons).
1-10-PIT 27 (5:31) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 17-D.Hester to PIT 19 for 8 yards (98-V.Williams).
2-2-PIT 19 (4:58) (No Huddle) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short right to 80-L.Toilolo (97-C.Heyward).
3-2-PIT 19 (4:54) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 84-R.White to PIT 11 for 8 yards (41-A.Blake).
1-10-PIT 11 (4:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 17-D.Hester pushed ob at PIT 2 for 9 yards (41-A.Blake).
2-1-PIT 2 (3:36) 68-G.Carimi reported in as eligible. 39-S.Jackson right end to PIT 4 for -2 yards (97-C.Heyward; 20-W.Allen).
3-3-PIT 4 (2:50) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 17-D.Hester. Penalty on ATL-83-H.Douglas, Offensive Pass Interference, declined.
4-3-PIT 4 (2:45) 3-M.Bryant 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-J.Harris, Holder-5-M.Bosher.
PIT 20 ATL 13 Plays: 13 Possession: 6:04
Pittsburgh Steelers at 02:40
5-M.Bosher kicks 65 yards from ATL 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-PIT 20 (2:40) 26-L.Bell right tackle to PIT 14 for -6 yards (77-R.Hageman).
2-16-PIT 14 (2:00) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep middle to 84-A.Brown to PIT 29 for 15 yards (55-P.Worrilow).
3-1-PIT 29 (1:28) 26-L.Bell right guard to PIT 31 for 2 yards (98-C.Matthews).
1-10-PIT 31 (:45) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to 83-H.Miller pushed ob at ATL 43 for 26 yards (21-D.Trufant).
END QUARTER 3
PIT 27 ATL 13 Plays: 6 Possession: 3:29
4th Quarter
Pittsburgh Steelers continues ...
1-10-ATL 43 (15:00) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to 11-M.Wheaton pushed ob at ATL 13 for 30 yards (36-K.Ishmael).
1-10-ATL 13 (14:19) 26-L.Bell left end for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-ATL 2 6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-B.Wing.
Atlanta Falcons at 14:11
6-S.Suisham kicks 71 yards from PIT 35 to ATL -6. 17-D.Hester to ATL 16 for 22 yards (29-S.Thomas).
1-10-ATL 16 (14:04) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short middle to 24-D.Freeman [97-C.Heyward].
2-10-ATL 16 (13:58) 24-D.Freeman left tackle to ATL 23 for 7 yards (91-S.Tuitt).
3-3-ATL 23 (13:19) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan scrambles up the middle to ATL 35 for 12 yards.
1-10-ATL 35 (12:43) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 83-H.Douglas.
2-10-ATL 35 (12:38) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 83-H.Douglas to ATL 48 for 13 yards (22-W.Gay).
1-10-ATL 48 (12:07) 39-S.Jackson right end to ATL 48 for no gain (98-V.Williams; 94-L.Timmons).
2-10-ATL 48 (11:28) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 83-H.Douglas pushed ob at PIT 11 for 41 yards (23-M.Mitchell). PIT-23-M.Mitchell was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
1-10-PIT 11 (11:11) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 84-R.White (22-W.Gay).
2-10-PIT 11 (11:07) 39-S.Jackson right end pushed ob at PIT 4 for 7 yards (41-A.Blake).
3-3-PIT 4 (10:26) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 84-R.White for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
3-M.Bryant extra point is GOOD, Center-47-J.Harris, Holder-5-M.Bosher.
PIT 27 ATL 20 Plays: 10 Possession: 3:50
Pittsburgh Steelers at 10:21
5-M.Bosher kicks 65 yards from ATL 35 to PIT 0. 11-M.Wheaton to PIT 18 for 18 yards (14-E.Weems).
1-10-PIT 18 (10:16) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 84-A.Brown pushed ob at PIT 30 for 12 yards (59-J.Bartu).
1-10-PIT 30 (9:39) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 10-M.Bryant to PIT 34 for 4 yards (21-D.Trufant).
2-6-PIT 34 (9:02) 26-L.Bell left tackle to PIT 33 for -1 yards (71-K.Biermann).
Timeout #1 by PIT at 08:10.
3-7-PIT 33 (8:10) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 11-M.Wheaton pushed ob at PIT 46 for 13 yards (28-J.Arenas).
1-10-PIT 46 (7:28) 26-L.Bell right end to PIT 47 for 1 yard (59-J.Bartu).
2-9-PIT 47 (6:43) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short right to 26-L.Bell (55-P.Worrilow) [95-J.Babineaux].
3-9-PIT 47 (6:37) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep left to 16-L.Moore [55-P.Worrilow].
4-9-PIT 47 (6:31) 9-B.Wing punts 36 yards to ATL 17, Center-60-G.Warren, fair catch by 17-D.Hester.
Atlanta Falcons at 06:23
1-10-ATL 17 (6:23) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 83-H.Douglas.
2-10-ATL 17 (6:17) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 83-H.Douglas to ATL 21 for 4 yards (22-W.Gay).
3-6-ATL 21 (5:36) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 83-H.Douglas to ATL 25 for 4 yards (98-V.Williams).
4-2-ATL 25 (4:50) 5-M.Bosher punts 57 yards to PIT 18, Center-47-J.Harris. 84-A.Brown ran ob at PIT 30 for 12 yards (42-P.DiMarco).
Pittsburgh Steelers at 04:34
1-10-PIT 30 (4:34) (Shotgun) 26-L.Bell left tackle to PIT 33 for 3 yards (71-K.Biermann; 55-P.Worrilow).
2-7-PIT 33 (3:54) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown to PIT 36 for 3 yards (28-J.Arenas).
3-4-PIT 36 (3:05) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to 26-L.Bell. PENALTY on ATL-21-D.Trufant, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play.
1-10-PIT 41 (3:02) 26-L.Bell right guard to PIT 43 for 2 yards (55-P.Worrilow).
Timeout #1 by ATL at 02:55.
2-8-PIT 43 (2:55) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown to ATL 48 for 9 yards (20-D.Lowery).
Timeout #2 by ATL at 02:49.
1-10-ATL 48 (2:49) 26-L.Bell left end to ATL 44 for 4 yards (59-J.Bartu).
Timeout #3 by ATL at 02:42.
2-6-ATL 44 (2:42) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 26-L.Bell to ATL 39 for 5 yards (71-K.Biermann; 59-J.Bartu).
Two-Minute Warning
3-1-ATL 39 (2:00) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep right to 83-H.Miller to ATL 14 for 25 yards (21-D.Trufant).
1-10-ATL 14 (1:15) 7-B.Roethlisberger kneels to ATL 15 for -1 yards.
2-11-ATL 15 (:38) 7-B.Roethlisberger kneels to ATL 16 for -1 yards.
END GAME

[Legacy User]

ok, someone watched the game for that to happen

only thing that really tells you is left, right, middle, complete, or incomplete

If those mean something to you, then I guess we should thank the guy who watched for us