Offensive Offense - Where do we go from here.

[jeemie]

Jeemie - just re watched. Looks like Foster could've done a better job too. Wallace's initial man loops around and is picked up by Foster, which was fine. The problem is Foster and Wallace are supposed to meet hip to hip so they can slowdown the man cutting inside. They didn't negotiate that very well.

Thanks for the explanation.

Looks like Foster didn't slow up the one looping rusher fast enough...Wallace had no chance to get hip to hip- the guy he eventually got had penetrated inside already. Did Wallace step outside too much toward the looping guy Foster eventually blocked?

[Legacy User]

Wallace has been just dreadful this year...

[Steel Mike]

Jeemie - just re watched. Looks like Foster could've done a better job too. Wallace's initial man loops around and is picked up by Foster, which was fine. The problem is Foster and Wallace are supposed to meet hip to hip so they can slowdown the man cutting inside. They didn't negotiate that very well.

Thanks for the explanation.

Looks like Foster didn't slow up the one looping rusher fast enough...Wallace had no chance to get hip to hip- the guy he eventually got had penetrated inside already. Did Wallace step outside too much toward the looping guy Foster eventually blocked?

It's hard to tell because we don't know what the o-line call was (man vs zone for example). It's a little tougher for Wallace if the right side of the line was told to zone block to the right, which would most likely include the center. If it was a man call, Wallace totally screwed the pooch because in either case his pass set is too deep and to the right, when his initial man is looping left. He should've recognized the looper was going left sooner and stopped his pass drop to the right, which would've put him in better position to recover and take on the cutter (Foster's original man).

There are 2 basic techniques in pass pro: the kickslide and posting. Tackles are allowed to take bigger strides in their kickslides because they help set the width of the pocket, and DE's mostly rush on their outside shoulders. Interior linemen, Centers and Guards, are responsible for the depth of the pocket. Therefore, they shouldn't take as big a stride as a Tackle would. When a rusher is trying to beat you to the inside - that's where posting comes in. That's where you keep your posture (shoulders square, feet shoulder width, back straight) and take choppy steps. IMO posting is harder than kicksliding, but it's necessary - especially when the d-line is running twists and games.

Hopefully that makes sense... it's kind of hard to explain.

[Stosh-67]

Jeemie - just re watched. Looks like Foster could've done a better job too. Wallace's initial man loops around and is picked up by Foster, which was fine. The problem is Foster and Wallace are supposed to meet hip to hip so they can slowdown the man cutting inside. They didn't negotiate that very well.

Thanks for the explanation.

Looks like Foster didn't slow up the one looping rusher fast enough...Wallace had no chance to get hip to hip- the guy he eventually got had penetrated inside already. Did Wallace step outside too much toward the looping guy Foster eventually blocked?

It's hard to tell because we don't know what the o-line call was (man vs zone for example). It's a little tougher for Wallace if the right side of the line was told to zone block to the right, which would most likely include the center. If it was a man call, Wallace totally screwed the pooch because in either case his pass set is too deep and to the right, when his initial man is looping left. He should've recognized the looper was going left sooner and stopped his pass drop to the right, which would've put him in better position to recover and take on the cutter (Foster's original man).

There are 2 basic techniques in pass pro: the kickslide and posting. Tackles are allowed to take bigger strides in their kickslides because they help set the width of the pocket, and DE's mostly rush on their outside shoulders. Interior linemen, Centers and Guards, are responsible for the depth of the pocket. Therefore, they shouldn't take as big a stride as a Tackle would. When a rusher is trying to beat you to the inside - that's where posting comes in. That's where you keep your posture (shoulders square, feet shoulder width, back straight) and take choppy steps. IMO posting is harder than kicksliding, but it's necessary - especially when the d-line is running twists and games.

Hopefully that makes sense... it's kind of hard to explain.

Good stuff there SM.
Nice explanation.
Thanks

[Legacy User]

A good breakdown of Ben's INT's from BTSC: http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pi ... ons-vs-the

You'll see Wallace give up pressure on plays 2 and 3. Play 2 he gets knocked off balance and can't recover, and Play 3 he doesn't pass of a twist correctly.

Whats with the "I hate Wallace" sock puppet schtick? FYI, Aint too many 6'6" 380 lb centers fella. Maybe you need to start a hate Wallace thread.

[Steel Mike]

A good breakdown of Ben's INT's from BTSC: http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pi ... ons-vs-the

You'll see Wallace give up pressure on plays 2 and 3. Play 2 he gets knocked off balance and can't recover, and Play 3 he doesn't pass of a twist correctly.

Whats with the "I hate Wallace" sock puppet schtick? FYI, Aint too many 6'6" 380 lb centers fella. Maybe you need to start a hate Wallace thread.

I don't like him as a player. He's not very good, and he's an instigator which will eventually backfire.

I think I did a decent job of being objective with my explanation above.

[jeemie]

Jeemie - just re watched. Looks like Foster could've done a better job too. Wallace's initial man loops around and is picked up by Foster, which was fine. The problem is Foster and Wallace are supposed to meet hip to hip so they can slowdown the man cutting inside. They didn't negotiate that very well.

Thanks for the explanation.

Looks like Foster didn't slow up the one looping rusher fast enough...Wallace had no chance to get hip to hip- the guy he eventually got had penetrated inside already. Did Wallace step outside too much toward the looping guy Foster eventually blocked?

It's hard to tell because we don't know what the o-line call was (man vs zone for example). It's a little tougher for Wallace if the right side of the line was told to zone block to the right, which would most likely include the center. If it was a man call, Wallace totally screwed the pooch because in either case his pass set is too deep and to the right, when his initial man is looping left. He should've recognized the looper was going left sooner and stopped his pass drop to the right, which would've put him in better position to recover and take on the cutter (Foster's original man).

There are 2 basic techniques in pass pro: the kickslide and posting. Tackles are allowed to take bigger strides in their kickslides because they help set the width of the pocket, and DE's mostly rush on their outside shoulders. Interior linemen, Centers and Guards, are responsible for the depth of the pocket. Therefore, they shouldn't take as big a stride as a Tackle would. When a rusher is trying to beat you to the inside - that's where posting comes in. That's where you keep your posture (shoulders square, feet shoulder width, back straight) and take choppy steps. IMO posting is harder than kicksliding, but it's necessary - especially when the d-line is running twists and games.

Hopefully that makes sense... it's kind of hard to explain.

Thanks- really detailed explanation- I know very little about the technical details involved in O-line play, but I could follow that.

[Steel Mike]

Cool, glad I could help!

[R_S]

Wallace is definitely a backup for a reason. I don't hate the guy, but his skillset is limited.

[Legacy User]

Those gifs are insightful, and they show I wasn't so quick to blame Ben by himself on the last two picks. It's true that neither play had to result in an int, but it's also spent that the pressure up the middle was getting there in under two seconds.

It's pretty amazing Brown was able to get into his break and even get open in that timeframe. That could have been a completion. But Ben already had aa DL in his lap.