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Re: 2 pt conversions?

Post by jeemie » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:53 pm

alancac98 wrote:I had no problem with going for two on the second try, as the first failed. I personally wouldn't have gone for two on the first touchdown, and I wouldn't have continued to do it. With that said, I take serious issue with their personnel groupings on the two point conversions. Why split Bell out wide and put Toussaint beside Ben. They would be far more dangerous if Bell was in the backfield. The minute they split him out wide, Dallas' defense pinned their ears back and played pass all the way, every time! So why take a receiver like Coates or Hamilton, who are rather big bodies, off the field and go with this offensive set? It just blows my mind how terrible this coaching staff is at situational football. Most teams put their big guys out their, for big targets, but we take them off the field. Am I missing something here?


I echo Stosh's sentiment that the early gambling with a 2-point try when we were coming in on a three-game slide, in danger of falling out of the division lead, and against a tough opponent, was the exact wrong approach to take.

And then they compounded it with the exact questionable personnel groupings and playcalls you mentioned. I guess Fichtner's genius can only be tapped so many times because all four two-point plays looked like this to me. "Ben- take the snap and make something happen".


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Post by COR-TEN » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:57 pm

the-other-burg wrote:
Still Lit wrote: Yeah, the loss is more on the D than Tomlin going for two. Way more, IMO.



Disagree repectfully. Dallas killed us on the ground. They beat up our D line- to the point that they were useless in the end of the game. They would have had to abandon their running game at some point if the score dictated it. They certainly wouldnt be running the ball inside of 2 minutes. Our D was shit, but we took 4 gimme points away from our O, this had a strategic impact on the way Dallas played.
And it motivated them. They stopped this supposedly killer offense 4 times out of 4 attempts.

And from what others are saying, they come out small and run a pass 100% of the time. I'm ok with trying the second time, but 4?
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Post by COR-TEN » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:00 pm

GreekSteel wrote:In any pro league and especially in the NFL, the league is copycat, when you're doing something innovative and smart other teams take notice and will quickly follow suit.
I've also noticed that since Bell's arrival in the NFL, a stutter step before hitting the hole behind the LOS is being coached, and defenses are taking notice. I think defensive coordinators have a bit of Bell figured out. He missed his time with injuries and suspensions to really make a mark.

I saw a number of games yesterday and RB's are putting that stutter step in their bag of tricks. Everyone is doing it now. And defenses are learning to respond. How has Bell been doing in the running game lately?
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:10 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:In any pro league and especially in the NFL, the league is copycat, when you're doing something innovative and smart other teams take notice and will quickly follow suit.
I've also noticed that since Bell's arrival in the NFL, a stutter step before hitting the hole behind the LOS is being coached, and defenses are taking notice. I think defensive coordinators have a bit of Bell figured out. He missed his time with injuries and suspensions to really make a mark.

I saw a number of games yesterday and RB's are putting that stutter step in their bag of tricks. Everyone is doing it now. And defenses are learning to respond. How has Bell been doing in the running game lately?




To a large extent what what a RB does after being handed the ball is purely instinctive so I'm not sure you can coach that into someones game but point taken. Bell has ben running just fine behind an under performing O line, only thing missing were TDs and Bell was able to find pay dirt yesterday.

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