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Post by steeledge » Tue May 02, 2017 4:53 pm

Steel Mike wrote:But they also drafted 2 CB's. And they have 2 guys in Davis and Burns that are still blossoming. It's not as if they completely ignored the secondary in the draft. Not grabbing a TE was a little puzzling, but I don't think that was a huge problem in not getting past the Pats last year.

THIS

I mean, if the purpose of the draft is to get what we need to get past the Pats, then they'll have to start drafting HCs...

...because at this point, it makes zero difference the caliber and talent of the players on the field...

Obviously...



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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:10 pm

Steel Mike wrote:But they also drafted 2 CB's. And they have 2 guys in Davis and Burns that are still blossoming. It's not as if they completely ignored the secondary in the draft. Not grabbing a TE was a little puzzling, but I don't think that was a huge problem in not getting past the Pats last year.


I didn't say they ignored the secondary. I am happy with both CB picks. I just think a fourth round pick could be better spent on a position of need. Safety, Tight End and ILB come to mind.

As for tight end being a difference against NE, maybe not but my guess is that Ladarius at TE would have made ut a closer game.
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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:10 pm

Steeledge wrote:
Steel Mike wrote:But they also drafted 2 CB's. And they have 2 guys in Davis and Burns that are still blossoming. It's not as if they completely ignored the secondary in the draft. Not grabbing a TE was a little puzzling, but I don't think that was a huge problem in not getting past the Pats last year.

THIS

I mean, if the purpose of the draft is to get what we need to get past the Pats, then they'll have to start drafting HCs...

...because at this point, it makes zero difference the caliber and talent of the players on the field...

Obviously...


Well good point by you.
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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 5:12 pm

To me, the drafting of Dobbs and the release of Mettenberger tells me a few things:

1. They know they can't compete vs NE so why even try
2. They know they are due for some down years after Ben retires and are simply getting some pieces in place to make it an extra long rebuilding period.
3. They feel that the aerospace engineer w proper mechanics and some coaching may end up as a better choice for the #2 than Landry Jones.
4. They read this board and purposely made some draft choices out of spite.
5. They don't care about winning.

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Tue May 02, 2017 5:14 pm

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You're right. Here I'll be like you. They released Mettenberger?!???

Those no good fuckers Tombert haven't a clue how to run an NFL franchise! Let's gather in the South Side with our torches and pitchforks and run them out of town!!!


Better?

I admittingly know nothing about about Dobbs. Maybe they view him as someone who they can develop? But I'm not about to crucify the organization for releasing Mettenberger, holy fuck.[/quote]


LOL. Right on Luca. @ KC & Jack: Maybe they see him developing into a #2 by the season. Mid season. You never know. Maybe they were looking for a solid back up since Ben has a history of injuries etc. Maybe they listed him as the #3 because he is, you know a draft choice. After all WTF does this franchise even know. Being if not the most, one of the most successful franchises in the history of the NFL and holding claim to the most Lombardis out of 32 teams, CLEARLY they've mailed it in and don't give a fuck. WTF is wrong with you guys? This is not the Browns, nor close to it. Your armchair diagnosis of the franchise couldn't be more OFF. Your negativity is ridiculous.[/quote]

So I'm mot alloeed to offer my criticism of the use of a foirth round pick to replace the third string QB, huh? I can't offer that perhaps they could have found better value in addressing a team need such as strong safety or tight end, correct? I'm being a negative nelly because I sat there in Gillette Stadium last January watching the Patriots make my beloved football team look like a fucking joke and not thinking, hey wait a minute! If they replace Mettenberger with a fourth round draft choice, they'll finally bring down the Cheats!

As for Dobbs, do you really feel he will contribute in the next two seasons? If Ben gets hurt in Week 6 for an extended period of time, you're more than likely are going to get a heavy dose of Landry Jones until he comes back. And if Ben stays healthy, Dobbs is sporting the Duce Staley sweats. How does that help the Steelers in 2017 and possibly 2018? Don't miss my point, I have nothing against Dobbs and couldn't care less about Mettenberger. My point is making better use of a fourth round draft choice than a third string QB.

Thanks for the enlightening Steelers history lesson on their success and the number of Super Bowl victories the franchise has. Sorry if I won't be satisfied with just that and not being thankful I don't cheer for the Browns or the Jets or some other failed franchise.

I don't have the negativity of STD and am hopeful the draft choices pan out, but I'm not going to drink the Kool Aid as Obviously puts it if I feel the brain trust could have done better drafting for a position that could possibly better the Steelers in their quest for 7. Sorry, but selecting Dobbs doesn't do that.[/quote]


Go ahead offer your criticism of the 4th round pick. I was chanting the name of the TE I thought they would take. Hated the pick, but: I'm not losing sleep over it. Or, am I putting the FO, the franchise etc on blast because I don't claim to know. Fuck them they didn't take the TE I was hoping for. I actually said that followed by WTF. Then, I thought well I'll let them do their job and support what they did. The positive spin I put on it was maybe our 20 million dollar TE is not going to be an issue like we all believe is. History says he may be done, hopefully he's not. They know far more about his health that I do, so I chose to holdout hope. Either way, if our 20 million was wasted and he doesn't work out, I will not blame our inadequacies to get over the top against NE because of a 4th round pick. Hell, I hope a couple years from now more cheating is exposed. Our coach will not outsmart NE nor would any other coach we could go out and replace MT with.

NO I don't actually think Dobbs will contribute in the next two years to the point of beating NE but if his upside surpasses his draft position, or hell even if it doesn't that 4rnd pick will not be the reason NE beats our ass again.

Truth is you were not there, you do know for fact the brain trust would or could have done better. Nor, do you know that you could of done better even though your opinion as an armchair GM claims otherwise. The draft is so hit or miss with numerous variables contributing to a player making an impact or not doing jack shit in the NFL.

I think some people are glass half full and others are glass half empty. The bitching about the brain trust just gets old and really comes off sometimes like we're the Browns or the Jets.

What won't change is we all cheer for the same team so we should get along since we put our passion behind it. Sorry to you and anyone If I've been a little salty lately. I'm trying to find the positive wherever I can.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:18 pm

Steel Mike wrote:I don't understand the simultaneous hate for the Dobbs pick and Mettenberger release.

I thought the narrative was that the Steelers needed "anyone else but Laundry!" So they draft a QB with a higher ceiling than any of the backups they currently have in the 4th round.

Some people just bitch to bitch. Good grief.


I don't understand why certain posters need to twist words or can't understand the point I'm making. Let me try a different approach:

1. I don't give a shit about Mettenberger.
2. I don't have anything against Dobbs.
3. I feel better value could most certainly have been had for a fourth round draft choice than a 3rd string QB.
4. I get Dobbs may be our future starting QB. He will likely not help this team in 2017 or 2018.
5. I don't want to crucify or go after the Steelers braintrust with pitch forks.

Does this help?
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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:24 pm

Thrillseeker, it's not keeping me awake nearly at all. I've got an injured Sidney Crosby and an OT Pens loss to do that. You're right, I don't know what the brain trust is thinking. However, I do question their wisdom on burning a fourth round draft choice on a 3rd string QB and the sixth rounder on a long snapper. Heck, most of this board has done that.
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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 5:26 pm

So every selection we made was supposed to make an immediate impact and vault us over our nemesis residing in Massachusetts?

Like someone said earlier, absent a coaching change and a philosophy change, it's not going to matter if we have to face NE in the playoffs.

They outcoach us. Period. And embarrass us at the same time.

Only way we win or get to SB's is to not face NE in the playoffs.

Sad but true. We are dependent on someone else to knock them out of the playoffs.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 5:27 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:Thrillseeker, it's not keeping me awake nearly at all. I've got an injured Sidney Crosby and an OT Pens loss to do that. You're right, I don't know what the brain trust is thinking. However, I do question their wisdom on burning a fourth round draft choice on a 3rd string QB and the sixth rounder on a long snapper. Heck, most of this board has done that.


How do we know that Dobbs can't be the #2?

He has to really suck to not show more than what Laundry brings to the game.

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Post by steeledge » Tue May 02, 2017 5:30 pm

SteelThrillsseeker wrote:Go ahead offer your criticism of the 4th round pick. I was chanting the name of the TE I thought they would take. Hated the pick, but: I'm not losing sleep over it. Or, am I putting the FO, the franchise etc on blast because I don't claim to know. Fuck them they didn't take the TE I was hoping for. I actually said that followed by WTF. Then, I thought well I'll let them do their job and support what they did. The positive spin I put on it was maybe our 20 million dollar TE is not going to be an issue like we all believe is. History says he may be done, hopefully he's not. They know far more about his health that I do, so I chose to holdout hope. Either way, if our 20 million was wasted and he doesn't work out, I will not blame our inadequacies to get over the top against NE because of a 4th round pick. Hell, I hope a couple years from now more cheating is exposed. Our coach will not outsmart NE nor would any other coach we could go out and replace MT with.

NO I don't actually think Dobbs will contribute in the next two years to the point of beating NE but if his upside surpasses his draft position, or hell even if it doesn't that 4rnd pick will not be the reason NE beats our ass again.

Truth is you were not there, you do know for fact the brain trust would or could have done better. Nor, do you know that you could of done better even though your opinion as an armchair GM claims otherwise. The draft is so hit or miss with numerous variables contributing to a player making an impact or not doing jack shit in the NFL.

I think some people are glass half full and others are glass half empty. The bitching about the brain trust just gets old and really comes off sometimes like we're the Browns or the Jets.

What won't change is we all cheer for the same team so we should get along since we put our passion behind it. Sorry to you and anyone If I've been a little salty lately. I'm trying to find the positive wherever I can.

Completely understandable...

I've been here in a salty place for a few years now, and that was BEFORE that last playoff game! :cry:

I consider this seat in front of this screen as though it's a bar stool, and I come here expecting a fair amount of bitching since I give plenty of my own.

From my perspective, though, it's only therapeutic if I focus my bitching on what I see as the biggest issues, and the QB selected in R4 and subsequent release of Mettenberger are not those...

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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:41 pm

BarryFoster wrote:So every selection we made was supposed to make an immediate impact and vault us over our nemesis residing in Massachusetts?

Like someone said earlier, absent a coaching change and a philosophy change, it's not going to matter if we have to face NE in the playoffs.

They outcoach us. Period. And embarrass us at the same time.

Only way we win or get to SB's is to not face NE in the playoffs.

Sad but true. We are dependent on someone else to knock them out of the playoffs.


I can't argue about the coaching. Not going to rehash my reasons for disagreeing with the pick.
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If you follow this link, then the link on Watt's Twitter response of Harrison, by my calculations, Deebo is shoving 1,395 pounds plus the sled, down that field! :shock:

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Tue May 02, 2017 6:12 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:Thrillseeker, it's not keeping me awake nearly at all. I've got an injured Sidney Crosby and an OT Pens loss to do that. You're right, I don't know what the brain trust is thinking. However, I do question their wisdom on burning a fourth round draft choice on a 3rd string QB and the sixth rounder on a long snapper. Heck, most of this board has done that.



Great point man. Hope Crosby is ok and can bounce back. That loss in OT last night was brutal. Question the brain trust all you want, you have the right to your opinion and who knows maybe some 4th round DE or OLB rises up and makes us all hate that pick even more. You never know. Hopefully I'll forget I was pining for a TE for that pick and the guy I was rooting for doesn't turn out to be a superstar. I'll hate the pick that much more too.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 6:44 pm

After thinking on this

I think perhaps another reaseon or at least an interesting side benefit they cut ZM is they want the competition focused on the number 2 QB spot where it should be rather than the survival 3 QB spot. It will be interesting to see if Dobbs can overtake Jones prior to the season starting and the Steelers depth chart being pretty much set in stone

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Post by steeledge » Tue May 02, 2017 7:19 pm

SteelerChef wrote:After thinking on this

I think perhaps another reaseon or at least an interesting side benefit they cut ZM is they want the competition focused on the number 2 QB spot where it should be rather than the survival 3 QB spot. It will be interesting to see if Dobbs can overtake Jones prior to the season starting and the Steelers depth chart being pretty much set in stone

exactamundo...

this will be interesting, yes, but not a major point of stress for THIS offseason.
Ultimately, we want both to carry the clipboard as much as possible, but if Dobbs can ring out the Laundry and become the top backup, great! :D

...give him a year or two, and I believe he will become a more-than-capable backup...
Point is, time will tell...

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 7:23 pm

Steeledge wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:After thinking on this

I think perhaps another reaseon or at least an interesting side benefit they cut ZM is they want the competition focused on the number 2 QB spot where it should be rather than the survival 3 QB spot. It will be interesting to see if Dobbs can overtake Jones prior to the season starting and the Steelers depth chart being pretty much set in stone

exactamundo...

this will be interesting, yes, but not a major point of stress for THIS offseason.
Ultimately, we want both to carry the clipboard as much as possible, but if Dobbs can ring out the Laundry and become the top backup, great! :D

...give him a year or two, and I believe he will become a more-than-capable backup...
Point is, time will tell...


Usually the clipboard reference refers to the 3 QB

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Post by steeledge » Tue May 02, 2017 9:33 pm

SteelerChef wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:After thinking on this

I think perhaps another reaseon or at least an interesting side benefit they cut ZM is they want the competition focused on the number 2 QB spot where it should be rather than the survival 3 QB spot. It will be interesting to see if Dobbs can overtake Jones prior to the season starting and the Steelers depth chart being pretty much set in stone

exactamundo...

this will be interesting, yes, but not a major point of stress for THIS offseason.
Ultimately, we want both to carry the clipboard as much as possible, but if Dobbs can ring out the Laundry and become the top backup, great! :D

...give him a year or two, and I believe he will become a more-than-capable backup...
Point is, time will tell...


Usually the clipboard reference refers to the 3 QB

right...
meant to say we want "both to hang out on the sidelines", but you feel me...

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Gerry Dulac wrote:Steelers D went to man coverage 3 times and got burned each time by Brady. Stopped doing it after that.


Fascinating.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 10:49 pm

Obviously wrote:Jack, you're talking to three of the biggest Kool-Aid drinkers on this site. How dare you criticize Art II, Colbert and Tomlin!


Well, let's take a step back and remember what I was responding to. Jack doesn't like the 4th round pick and so has decided that THE TEAM COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WINNING.

I think they're trying very hard to win, but that's me.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue May 02, 2017 11:06 pm

Poltargyst wrote:
Obviously wrote:Jack, you're talking to three of the biggest Kool-Aid drinkers on this site. How dare you criticize Art II, Colbert and Tomlin!


Well, let's take a step back and remember what I was responding to. Jack doesn't like the 4th round pick and so has decided that THE TEAM COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WINNING.

I think they're trying very hard to win, but that's me.


My actual comment was that Tombert couldn't care less about Ben's window closing. I didn't say they didn't care about winning so don't put words in my mouth. I realize that the team shouldn't make Ben's pending retirement a factor in their long-term goals. However, I do think they should make the effort to go all in for at least one more Super Bowl victory before Ben retires. I'm sorry, but this off season hasn't given me much evidence that is all in. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Jobu » Tue May 02, 2017 11:26 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Obviously wrote:Jack, you're talking to three of the biggest Kool-Aid drinkers on this site. How dare you criticize Art II, Colbert and Tomlin!


Well, let's take a step back and remember what I was responding to. Jack doesn't like the 4th round pick and so has decided that THE TEAM COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WINNING.

I think they're trying very hard to win, but that's me.


My actual comment was that Tombert couldn't care less about Ben's window closing. I didn't say they didn't care about winning so don't put words in my mouth. I realize that the team shouldn't make Ben's pending retirement a factor in their long-term goals. However, I do think they should make the effort to go all in for at least one more Super Bowl victory before Ben retires. I'm sorry, but this off season hasn't given me much evidence that is all in. I hope I'm wrong.

I'll just say this JL...Its fairly safe to assume that the Steelers FO and coaching staff have a higher opinion of the current roster than we do.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Obviously wrote:Jack, you're talking to three of the biggest Kool-Aid drinkers on this site. How dare you criticize Art II, Colbert and Tomlin!


Well, let's take a step back and remember what I was responding to. Jack doesn't like the 4th round pick and so has decided that THE TEAM COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WINNING.

I think they're trying very hard to win, but that's me.


My actual comment was that Tombert couldn't care less about Ben's window closing. I didn't say they didn't care about winning so don't put words in my mouth. I realize that the team shouldn't make Ben's pending retirement a factor in their long-term goals. However, I do think they should make the effort to go all in for at least one more Super Bowl victory before Ben retires. I'm sorry, but this off season hasn't given me much evidence that is all in. I hope I'm wrong.

Sorry for misquoting you then, but them picking Dobbs in the 4th doesn't mean they're not still trying to win a super bowl before Ben retires.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue May 02, 2017 11:41 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
My actual comment was that Tombert couldn't care less about Ben's window closing. I didn't say they didn't care about winning so don't put words in my mouth. I realize that the team shouldn't make Ben's pending retirement a factor in their long-term goals. However, I do think they should make the effort to go all in for at least one more Super Bowl victory before Ben retires. I'm sorry, but this off season hasn't given me much evidence that is all in. I hope I'm wrong.



I agree this is frustrating and it does seem that the brain trust is less likely to find an occasional free agent to supplement the draft instead relying too heavily on the draft and taking years to develop players to cover a weakness. (specifically the pass rush the last couple seasons) I mean they are as a team in the thick of it every year, you would think that we could entice a premium free agent here.

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Post by StillMadAtSlobber » Wed May 03, 2017 6:32 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Steel Mike wrote:But they also drafted 2 CB's. And they have 2 guys in Davis and Burns that are still blossoming. It's not as if they completely ignored the secondary in the draft. Not grabbing a TE was a little puzzling, but I don't think that was a huge problem in not getting past the Pats last year.


I didn't say they ignored the secondary. I am happy with both CB picks. I just think a fourth round pick could be better spent on a position of need. Safety, Tight End and ILB come to mind.

As for tight end being a difference against NE, maybe not but my guess is that Ladarius at TE would have made ut a closer game.


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Post by StillMadAtSlobber » Wed May 03, 2017 6:34 pm

BarryFoster wrote:To me, the drafting of Dobbs and the release of Mettenberger tells me a few things:

1. They know they can't compete vs NE so why even try
2. They know they are due for some down years after Ben retires and are simply getting some pieces in place to make it an extra long rebuilding period.
3. They feel that the aerospace engineer w proper mechanics and some coaching may end up as a better choice for the #2 than Landry Jones.
4. They read this board and purposely made some draft choices out of spite.
5. They don't care about winning.

:roll:


Now this the the type of insightful posting I have come to expect from this forum!

Thanks for looking at the bright side.

Where can I get a pair of those Black and Gold tinted glasses?
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Post by StillMadAtSlobber » Wed May 03, 2017 6:42 pm

BarryFoster wrote:So every selection we made was supposed to make an immediate impact and vault us over our nemesis residing in Massachusetts?

Like someone said earlier, absent a coaching change and a philosophy change, it's not going to matter if we have to face NE in the playoffs.

They outcoach us. Period. And embarrass us at the same time.

Only way we win or get to SB's is to not face NE in the playoffs.

Sad but true. We are dependent on someone else to knock them out of the playoffs.


This.
It doesn't matter as long as Brady and Belichick are in NE.

Our player shortcomings aren't the issue. Our coaching shortcomings are...
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Post by Legacy User » Wed May 03, 2017 7:01 pm

StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:So every selection we made was supposed to make an immediate impact and vault us over our nemesis residing in Massachusetts?

Like someone said earlier, absent a coaching change and a philosophy change, it's not going to matter if we have to face NE in the playoffs.

They outcoach us. Period. And embarrass us at the same time.

Only way we win or get to SB's is to not face NE in the playoffs.

Sad but true. We are dependent on someone else to knock them out of the playoffs.


This.
It doesn't matter as long as Brady and Belichick are in NE.

Our player shortcomings aren't the issue. Our coaching shortcomings are...


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