Steelers vs Chiefs preseason game thread

[Legacy User]

I liked Dobbs coming into the league, but he's the worst QB on the roster now.

[K_C_]

I liked Dobbs coming into the league, but he's the worst QB on the roster now.

I was all about Dobbs unseating Laundry last season.

I had hope he'd develop.

He hasn't and won't.

The guy should seriously consider switching positions.

Very athletic kid.

[V DUB]

QB thoughts.

I'd like to see Rudolph push the ball downfield more. He take the safe route more often than not.

I think Dobbs' accuracy issue is him bailing on a throw, mid throw.

Hodges is more Brister than Favre...I'm of the unpopular opinion that Favre was a choker.

[the-other-burg]

If there’s one thing that the NFL has proven, its thats SB winning QBs are accurate passers. So far, Dobbs fall into the category of super athletic QB, that can make plays with his legs, has a cannon for an arm, but has a fifty/fifty chance of throwing a 10 yard pass into the dirt. I’ll pass.

[tbsteel]

And BTW, Dobbs doesn't have any hair on his balls. I'm pretty sure Hodges does. It's probably immaculate.

Just saying.

[Legacy User]

Funny observation - if PIT could get an early R6 for Dobbs we'd all be happy as pigs in shit.....except they drafted him late R4 three years ago!

I'd be happy with a 6th, especially with Colbert's ability to hit on late round picks. A 5th or higher would be surprising to me.

If the Steelers were smart they'd try to trade Dobbs straight up for a #2 TE prospect or #3 Safety prospect. Even steven....

If they could only chose between a Saftey or TE for Dobbs I'd prefer a TE. Hilton looked better at Safety than in the slot last night, I'd like to see him get some reps there with the 1's and 2's next week.

[fractalsteel]

So, nobody else is wondering where Fury is?

Have been wondering this myself. Haven't seen Fury or Hardnosed for what seems like years...Hope all is well for both.

I believe the last time Hardnosed posted here was the night the Pens won the cup in 2016. It was the last time I spoke to him.
Has anyone else noticed that there haven't really been any new members coming on board in a while? Usually this time of the year we get a small influx of new members.

As for the QB battle, I think Mason is the backup and it comes down to Dobbs vs Hodges. For my money, I'd go with Hodges because he is a better prospect.
I like Dobbs and he took a step forward last year but he looks like the same QB from last preseason. His lack of consistent accuracy on short and intermediate throws is very troublesome.
If/when Mason passes Dobbs it is time to let the kid move on and try to latch onto another team.

[955876]

I have zero faith that Tomlin will go with Rudolph & Hodges.

Dobbs is not only on this roster but likely the #2.

Unfortunately...

Will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out differently.

Dobbs has some talent but the guy struggles far too much with what should be the routine or “gimme” type throws.

Tomlin will fail to see the forest through the trees while being wowed with the good stuff Dobbs sometimes shows.

[K_C_]

I have zero faith that Tomlin will go with Rudolph & Hodges.

Dobbs is not only on this roster but likely the #2.

Unfortunately...

Will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out differently.

Dobbs has some talent but the guy struggles far too much with what should be the routine or “gimme” type throws.

Tomlin will fail to see the forest through the trees while being wowed with the good stuff Dobbs sometimes shows.

Fine with me.

If the Bug-Eyed Fuck sticks with Dobbs as Ben's back up, that decision will cost us at least one game. With Ben's age considered, it'll likely be more than one game.

If Dobbs remaining on the roster finally puts Tomlin on the hot seat, I'M ALL FUCKING FOR IT.

Only a fucking brain dead imbecile would believe Dobbs should be the #2 over Rudolph.

You'd have to be dumb as fuck to believe that.

[955876]

You'd have to be dumb as fuck to believe that.

We are talking about a man that actually said he didn’t use a time out because he wanted to put “time pressure” on the Raiders.

Ya, the same Raiders that had their own time out in pocket.

He most certainly is dumb as fuck.

The only one dumber is the man that signs his paychecks.

[fractalsteel]

Go back and watch the Steelers last drive of the first half.

Dobbs first pass is decent but if it were more accurate Washington could have broken it for a bigger play. Then Dobbs makes a nice throw(Rogers) getting the Steelers into the red zone. His next pass...an awful overthrow of a wide-open Johnson and the Chiefs pick it and return it to midfield.

That is Dobbs, Mr. Inconsistent. Very inconsistent.

[Stillchest]

Go back and watch the Steelers last drive of the first half.

Dobbs first pass is decent but if it were more accurate Washington could have broken it for a bigger play. Then Dobbs makes a nice throw(Rogers) getting the Steelers into the red zone. His next pass...an awful overthrow of a wide-open Johnson and the Chiefs pick it and return it to midfield.

That is Dobbs, Mr. Inconsistent. Very inconsistent.

I agree but unlikely Tomlin does.

Do not be surprised to see Dobbs remain #2, Rudolph #3, while they attempt to place Hodges on the PS. Of course, a team like the Titans will come along, snag him, and put him on their 53 man roster.

One thing is clear, Tomlin LOVES him some Josh Dobbs and unless Rudolph plays out of his mind, the next two preseason games, Dobbs will remain Ben’s backup.

[benstunner]

I liked Dobbs coming into the league, but he's the worst QB on the roster now.

I was all about Dobbs unseating Laundry last season.

I had hope he'd develop.

He hasn't and won't.

The guy should seriously consider switching positions.

Very athletic kid.

Yep. I liked Dobbs potential as well. Unfortunately, not only has the guy not developed hes REGRESSED.

[Legacy User]

Dobbs sucks but there’s no way Tomlin trades or cuts him

Dobbs4Lyfe unfortunately

[COR-TEN]

This is hilarious. Last year at this time, this entire board was bemoaning the fact that tomlin - the "dumbfuck" - was without question going to keep landry jones over dobbs. It was exemplary of his dumbfuckupedness.

Jones was released.

But I thought randy fichtner was the qb coach as well as OC, informing the head coach of what he's seen. . . ?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that IF Hodges continues with his above the line play, he's #3 and dobbs is traded to a team that needs a back up due to injury or to replace someone like. . . Peterman.

Interceptions, inconsistency, and inaccuracy problems will almost always get you cut if the team has other options. But I have a question for those that follow other teams. Is Lamar Jackson really all that? Is dobbs a jackson clone with an advanced astrophysics degree? From what I saw, the ravens relied on his run capabilities to overcome his passing inability. Maybe they thought they could coach him up, but it seems dobbs is the same old same old after one season and two camps. One good throw to two fuck ups.

[Havoc]

QB thoughts.

I'd like to see Rudolph push the ball downfield more. He take the safe route more often than not.

This is why I can't get excited about him.

The offense has always been too close to the LOS with Rudolph. We don't push the football downfield with him at the helm, never have. If he's ever going to be the answer post Ben, that will have to change.

[Kodiak]

This is why I can't get excited about him.

The offense has always been too close to the LOS with Rudolph. We don't push the football downfield with him at the helm, never have. If he's ever going to be the answer post Ben, that will have to change.

Interesting observation.

I'm starting to think Tomlin might like, if the need arises, that Dobbs and Rudolph present different ways to attack an opponent. If both are more of a 2.5, as opposed to a #2, then maybe the defense would dictate who would start.

I know that's overthinking and overcomplicating it, but that's what Tomlin does (when he troubles himself to think).

Next week will be interesting. I doubt Ben plays more than 2-3 series, so which guy is Tomlin going to want to see against the #1 defense? If it's Dobbs, then forget it he won't be cut or traded. If it's Rudolph, then I think he's being given the chance to win the backup job. Then I'm interested to see if Hodges will get any action (these idiots might shut him down and hope they can get away with sending him to the PS).

[Ice]

This is hilarious. Last year at this time, this entire board was bemoaning the fact that tomlin - the "dumbfuck" - was without question going to keep landry jones over dobbs. It was exemplary of his dumbfuckupedness.

Jones was released.

But I thought randy fichtner was the qb coach as well as OC, informing the head coach of what he's seen. . . ?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that IF Hodges continues with his above the line play, he's #3 and dobbs is traded to a team that needs a back up due to injury or to replace someone like. . . Peterman.

Interceptions, inconsistency, and inaccuracy problems will almost always get you cut if the team has other options. But I have a question for those that follow other teams. Is Lamar Jackson really all that? Is dobbs a jackson clone with an advanced astrophysics degree? From what I saw, the ravens relied on his run capabilities to overcome his passing inability. Maybe they thought they could coach him up, but it seems dobbs is the same old same old after one season and two camps. One good throw to two fuck ups.

Nathaniel J Peterman has actually performed quite well this preseason, for what it's worth. I have no idea on Jackson and Baltimore until I see how they're going to "revolutionize NFL football" with their offense this season.

[Lynch]

I fucking never advocated they keep Dobbs over Jones. I understand why most people here did.

[K_C_]

I fucking never advocated they keep Dobbs over Jones. I understand why most people here did.

I advocated Dobbs over Jones and to this day, I'm glad it happened.

Jones HAD TO GO. He was terrible.

Dobbs looked like he had some tools (mobile as hell, gun for an arm, literally the brain of a rocket scientist) but he's the same guy he was last year.

Cut the cord on Dobbs because he simply never will have the required accuracy for the job.

It's easy. Landry Jones wasn't good enough in any area.

[steelclan]

This is hilarious. Last year at this time, this entire board was bemoaning the fact that tomlin - the "dumbfuck" - was without question going to keep landry jones over dobbs. It was exemplary of his dumbfuckupedness.

Jones was released.

But I thought randy fichtner was the qb coach as well as OC, informing the head coach of what he's seen. . . ?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that IF Hodges continues with his above the line play, he's #3 and dobbs is traded to a team that needs a back up due to injury or to replace someone like. . . Peterman.

Interceptions, inconsistency, and inaccuracy problems will almost always get you cut if the team has other options. But I have a question for those that follow other teams. Is Lamar Jackson really all that? Is dobbs a jackson clone with an advanced astrophysics degree? From what I saw, the ravens relied on his run capabilities to overcome his passing inability. Maybe they thought they could coach him up, but it seems dobbs is the same old same old after one season and two camps. One good throw to two fuck ups.

Jackson is more accurate than Dobbs, though that isn't saying much. He has improved (I follow Ravens camp & preseason games) but to what extent? Not really sure. Ravens fans & media latch on to him making plays in 7 v 7 drills. Which of course is complete BS. QB faces no pass rush and has all day to throw. So obviously the drill is titled heavily in favor of the offense. Even in 11 v 11 full contact the QB dons the don't hit bib.

In preseason he has been ok but nothing spectacular. His best throw was on a designed roll out the Jags totally blew the coverage on. Jackson got to play pitch and catch with a wide open receiver. He is still struggling to make consistent throws outside the numbers. If that continues? Teams will clog the middle of the field and force him to throw outside. His running is electric. Mike Vick electric. The problem of course is Vick could never stay healthy playing that way. It only takes one big hit or awkward landing and Jackson is out for the season. Add in he has a really thin frame, thinner than RGIII.

He has more tools (on paper; not saying much) than last season. He has developed a nice partnership with Mark Andrews, who scares me. The rest of the receiving corps is a huge question mark. Boykin had some outstanding practices but against 1st and 2nd stringers in x 2 games he has looked out of his depth: drops, sloppy routes & lack of separation. Hollywood is still recovering from lis franc. He could be the wild card. Especially if he attracts safety help to cover him.

The rest of WR corps looks like Jags and Hayden Hurst Ravens 1st rounder from last season has not taken a massive step forward, yet. He looks the part but unless he is getting a free release v zone coverage? Struggles. Andrews by contrast makes plays in every situation, press, off coverage, finding holes in the zone etc. I badly misjudged him coming out.

The Ravens running scheme is the same as last year. Roman has been running something identical or similar with the Ravens since 2017. Jackson does help make it more dynamic, however, it is not a silver bullet teams can't stop. The Ravens don't beat teams physically dominating the LOS they do so via misdirection and threat of Jackson. Chargers in 1st match up fell for this. Defenders left their responsibility trying to make plays and left huge holes on backside Ravens quite happily took advantage of.

In 2nd contest, Chargers simply stuck to basics. The focus is on all the DBs they played. It shouldn't be. Simply put their defenders especially in front 7 played their responsibility. It worked. Ravens suddenly had no running room and promptly struggled. I suppose having DBs to roving sideline to sideline helped keep Jackson contained but for most part it was Chargers edge defenders doing exactly what defense called for, crashing inside, forcing runners outside to LBers & DBs waiting to clean them up. This was exacerbated by Jackson's inability to take advantage of play action.

Chargers gave him chances especially outside the numbers but Jackson simply didn't execute. Therein lies the rub: can Jackson in similar circumstances that he will surely see this season execute when it matters? If I were a DC I would risk he can't.

[COR-TEN]

This is hilarious. Last year at this time, this entire board was bemoaning the fact that tomlin - the "dumbfuck" - was without question going to keep landry jones over dobbs. It was exemplary of his dumbfuckupedness.

Jones was released.

But I thought randy fichtner was the qb coach as well as OC, informing the head coach of what he's seen. . . ?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that IF Hodges continues with his above the line play, he's #3 and dobbs is traded to a team that needs a back up due to injury or to replace someone like. . . Peterman.

Interceptions, inconsistency, and inaccuracy problems will almost always get you cut if the team has other options. But I have a question for those that follow other teams. Is Lamar Jackson really all that? Is dobbs a jackson clone with an advanced astrophysics degree? From what I saw, the ravens relied on his run capabilities to overcome his passing inability. Maybe they thought they could coach him up, but it seems dobbs is the same old same old after one season and two camps. One good throw to two fuck ups.

Jackson is more accurate than Dobbs, though that isn't saying much. He has improved (I follow Ravens camp & preseason games) but to what extent? Not really sure. Ravens fans & media latch on to him making plays in 7 v 7 drills. Which of course is complete BS. QB faces no pass rush and has all day to throw. So obviously the drill is titled heavily in favor of the offense. Even in 11 v 11 full contact the QB dons the don't hit bib.

In preseason he has been ok but nothing spectacular. His best throw was on a designed roll out the Jags totally blew the coverage on. Jackson got to play pitch and catch with a wide open receiver. He is still struggling to make consistent throws outside the numbers. If that continues? Teams will clog the middle of the field and force him to throw outside. His running is electric. Mike Vick electric. The problem of course is Vick could never stay healthy playing that way. It only takes one big hit or awkward landing and Jackson is out for the season. Add in he has a really thin frame, thinner than RGIII.

He has more tools (on paper; not saying much) than last season. He has developed a nice partnership with Mark Andrews, who scares me. The rest of the receiving corps is a huge question mark. Boykin had some outstanding practices but against 1st and 2nd stringers in x 2 games he has looked out of his depth: drops, sloppy routes & lack of separation. Hollywood is still recovering from lis franc. He could be the wild card. Especially if he attracts safety help to cover him.

The rest of WR corps looks like Jags and Hayden Hurst Ravens 1st rounder from last season has not taken a massive step forward, yet. He looks the part but unless he is getting a free release v zone coverage? Struggles. Andrews by contrast makes plays in every situation, press, off coverage, finding holes in the zone etc. I badly misjudged him coming out.

The Ravens running scheme is the same as last year. Roman has been running something identical or similar with the Ravens since 2017. Jackson does help make it more dynamic, however, it is not a silver bullet teams can't stop. The Ravens don't beat teams physically dominating the LOS they do so via misdirection and threat of Jackson. Chargers in 1st match up fell for this. Defenders left their responsibility trying to make plays and left huge holes on backside Ravens quite happily took advantage of.

In 2nd contest, Chargers simply stuck to basics. The focus is on all the DBs they played. It shouldn't be. Simply put their defenders especially in front 7 played their responsibility. It worked. Ravens suddenly had no running room and promptly struggled. I suppose having DBs to roving sideline to sideline helped keep Jackson contained but for most part it was Chargers edge defenders doing exactly what defense called for, crashing inside, forcing runners outside to LBers & DBs waiting to clean them up. This was exacerbated by Jackson's inability to take advantage of play action.

Chargers gave him chances especially outside the numbers but Jackson simply didn't execute. Therein lies the rub: can Jackson in similar circumstances that he will surely see this season execute when it matters? If I were a DC I would risk he can't.

Nice assessment. Thanks very much for taking the time.

[Pabst]

His running is electric. Mike Vick electric. The problem of course is Vick could never stay healthy playing that way. It only takes one big hit or awkward landing and Jackson is out for the season. Add in he has a really thin frame, thinner than RGIII.

Consider this: Vick's career high for rushing attempts in a game is 15. Last season, Jackson averaged 17 carries/game when he started. That rate is simply not sustainable.

The aforementioned RGIII never eclipsed 13 rushing attempts in a game.

Cam Newton's career high is 17 carries (in a game that went to OT), but then he outweights Jackson by 30+ pounds.

[Stosh-67]

Hope Diontae Spencer has an opportunity to catch a ball or two this week, maybe a WR sceen or end around.
Another nice return.

Can not have both Switz and Eli make the team over Spencer.

[Jobu]

This place is turning into a cartoon.

[Kodiak]

Can not have both Switz and Eli make the team over Spencer.

I don't see how they can. It's either going to be Eli and Spencer, or Switzer and Holton.