Time to bench Ebron and play McDonald more

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Time to bench Ebron and play McDonald more

Post by CASTEELER » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:55 am

Ebron has been getting worse every week, drops and more drops. Throw to McDonald he doesn't drop that many.



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Post by TTP » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:41 am

I agree. I would have a few plays in the game plan designed to get Ebron down the field but otherwise I'm playing Vanimal. He can run those 2 yard curls just as well as Ebron and is a much better blocker.

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am

I think this happened. I think Ebron was benched pretty much most of 4th quarter
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Post by Kodiak » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am

Probably not going to be as hard to get under the cap next year as some think...
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:01 am

Kodiak wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am
Probably not going to be as hard to get under the cap next year as some think...
We could have had nearly any TE in the league for the price of Vance’s and Ebron’s salaries together! Let that sink in!
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:01 am

Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am
I think this happened. I think Ebron was benched pretty much most of 4th quarter
He was featured on the last drive.

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Post by franco32 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:04 am

I couldn't believe Ebron missed block on 4th and goal. He ran too far wide on the motion and completely whiffed on Young. All he had do was basically be a speed bump and Snell scores (the line got some push for once). His run blocking is killing so many plays right now. I get that he is a weapon at times. But, it's not worth it if the run game is being completely destroyed. Use him on 3rd downs but get Vance in there more at this point.

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:06 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:01 am
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am
I think this happened. I think Ebron was benched pretty much most of 4th quarter
He was featured on the last drive.
I’m not talking about the “last drive”. I’m talking about in between then and the beginning of the fourth quarter.

I’d imagine Claypool and him were on the field for what amounted to a prayer.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:25 am

Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:06 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:01 am
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 am
I think this happened. I think Ebron was benched pretty much most of 4th quarter
He was featured on the last drive.
I’m not talking about the “last drive”. I’m talking about in between then and the beginning of the fourth quarter.

I’d imagine Claypool and him were on the field for what amounted to a prayer.
Just rewatched. Claypool and Ebron are in for their normal allotment. Maybe you just don’t remember how little we hade the ball. WTF had the ball for most of the third. And then we had one drive in the fourth, then the shit drive before the 17 second drive.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:25 am

Getting called to the sideline after a drop is pretty good motivation to catch the damn ball when and if you get back on the field.
Having a head coach that does not punish this, allows it to continue.
Having a QB that is ok with the drops....or does not get in these guys faces....

Is adding to Tomlins complacency.

Only thing i saw, drop after drop, the last two weeks has been that player running back to the huddle or line of scrimmage for the next play.

The disappearance of Vance from the offense is inexcusable. The lack of snaps for Washington, who has the biggest and strongest hands of the bunch, is a disservice to the offense.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:28 am

Im more pissed off at how sloppy, dysfunctional, predictable and ineffective our offense has become...
Than i am over the loss.
Not even close.
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Post by Jobu » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:35 am

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:28 am
Im more pissed off at how sloppy, dysfunctional, predictable and ineffective our offense has become...
Than i am over the loss.
Not even close.
Yep.
I never thought 16-0 was going to happen...just too damn hard. But watching this offense is so frustrating.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 am

I honestly rate the hands in this order now:

JuJu
Vance
Washington
Chase
Ebron
DJ
Conner

Grey Area

Rest of the offensive players.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:54 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 am
I honestly rate the hands in this order now:

JuJu
Vance
Washington
Chase
Ebron
DJ
Conner

Grey Area

Rest of the offensive players.
Where was Hawkins on this list?
MacFarland?

The two guys we went to in highly critacal points of the game.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:07 am

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:54 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 am
I honestly rate the hands in this order now:

JuJu
Vance
Washington
Chase
Ebron
DJ
Conner

Grey Area

Rest of the offensive players.
Where was Hawkins on this list?
MacFarland?

The two guys we went to in highly critacal points of the game.
Exactly. It makes no sense.

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:10 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 am
I honestly rate the hands in this order now:

JuJu
Vance
Washington
Chase
Ebron
DJ
Conner

Grey Area

Rest of the offensive players.
Is Grey Area Ben’s new nickname? I like it.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:44 am

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:28 am
Im more pissed off at how sloppy, dysfunctional, predictable and ineffective our offense has become...
Than i am over the loss.
Not even close.
Ya this. It isn’t the loss. It’s that this offense gives little hope of playoff success.

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Post by 955876 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:46 am

Jobu wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:35 am
Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:28 am
Im more pissed off at how sloppy, dysfunctional, predictable and ineffective our offense has become...
Than i am over the loss.
Not even close.
Yep.
I never thought 16-0 was going to happen...just too damn hard. But watching this offense is so frustrating.
I honestly think we had a better shot of going 16-0 than we do winning 2 playoff games depending on the matchups.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:42 am

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:25 am
Getting called to the sideline after a drop is pretty good motivation to catch the damn ball when and if you get back on the field.
Having a head coach that does not punish this, allows it to continue.
Having a QB that is ok with the drops....or does not get in these guys faces....

Is adding to Tomlins complacency.

Only thing i saw, drop after drop, the last two weeks has been that player running back to the huddle or line of scrimmage for the next play.

The disappearance of Vance from the offense is inexcusable. The lack of snaps for Washington, who has the biggest and strongest hands of the bunch, is a disservice to the offense.
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Post by R_S » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:54 pm

Ebron seems on a collision course with destiny to single handedly lose a playoff game via dropped ball. Hands of Stone

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:09 pm

The problem is in Randy’s Stupid Ass Clown Show Offense, Vance only has 1.5 seconds to get open and turn upfield. Vance is a solid TE but I’d rather have him running down the seam.

The seam? Do we even know what a seam route is?

Ebron has been bad lately, but he’s also made some nice catches. Actually, before the second and third quarters, he was on pace for a pretty nice game, but then he dropped about 3 really easy passes and the rest is history.

My point is, in this offense, Vance isn’t going to do shit in the pass game because our pass game is atrocious. He doesn’t get open like Ebron does, even if he is more sure-handed.

If Vance is coming in to sure up the run game, I’m all for it, but Ebron is a favorite target of Ben’s and I’d expect our offense to actually get worse if he gets replaced.

31 drops, folks. That is worst in the league by I think 8 or 9 drops. The ball comes out fast as fuck so you better be ready for it. That is part of it. Guys like Ebron and JJSS are barely coming out of their routes and one of Ben’s fastballs is in their chest.

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Post by DP39 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:27 pm

If Ebron spent half as much time focusing/working on his blocking assignments and catching the ball before he turns his head upfield as he does running his mouth and 'joking around' he'd be, at least, somewhat useful as an NFL TE.

Like I've said before, Ebron is Nuke LaLoosh, but sadly isn't a rookie anymore; he's been Nuke for about seven years. Stupid is as stupid does. :roll:

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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:29 pm

Limas Sweed met Charles Shackelford and had a baby named Eric Ebron. Who drops passes amphibiously.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:45 pm

My point is, in this offense, Vance isn’t going to do shit in the pass game because our pass game is atrocious. He doesn’t get open like Ebron does, even if he is more sure-handed.
Ya this. McDonald sucks too.

He is slower than shit and I’m pretty sure I caught him whiffing some blocks yesterday as well.

So many of our guys playing fucking matador it’s hard to tell.

And let’s stop fooling ourselves. This offense is a direct result of a couple of things IMO.

1) team knows their backup QBs are complete garbage.

2) team knows Ben at his age can’t take the hits.

So we came out with (1) a quick release offense that eliminates as many hits on Ben as possible and (2) an offense that Mya Rudolph & Ducky Hodges would be able to continue to operate given their pop-gun arms should Ben go down.

They had better open this shit up fast because you can’t just flip a switch and right now the timing and execution is way off in terms of intermediate & deep game.

We will find it I’m sure. I’m also pretty sure it’ll be too little too late.

Hope I’m wrong.

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