who getting released

[Jobu]

If Mitch is cut/traded, I hope everyone is ready for Josh Dobbs as the backup next year.

I give this a 98% chance of happening.

[Mick]

Where did you read we had a mid-round grade on Purdy?

Dulac chat. I guess technically they were ‘impressed’ with him and thought he might go ‘in the 4th or 5th’, but didn’t explicitly say they graded him that highly.

[Pabst]

I actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.

With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.

We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.

And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.

Have to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.

Guys like Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph were both given ample opportunities at the NFL level. Neither one established themselves as a starter, and neither one is in any position to dictate their terms to an NFL team. Neither one was going to be the long term answer at QB, and both are completely replaceable.

Focusing on Trubisky in particular, he's not going to get anywhere near $8m on the open market. Here's a list of upcoming UFAs at QB. There are loads of names on there, and they will all come with a lower price tag.

If you want to feel bad for him, feel bad that he blew his final shot at becoming a starter in the NFL.

I will agree on using a draft pick for Oladakun (sp?). Made no sense.

There aren't a whole lot of QB's on that list I'd want as a #2. Half suck and the other half don't have enough experience. And the ones I would take want to be a starter.

Ideally your #2 QB isn't seeing the field. For me It's less about someone who can step in and replace Pickett than an experienced QB who can mentor him.

The main point, though, is that the sheer number of backup QBs on the market should drive prices down. I'd rather have Andy Dalton at $4m than Trubisky at $8m.

[Deebo]

Have to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.

Guys like Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph were both given ample opportunities at the NFL level. Neither one established themselves as a starter, and neither one is in any position to dictate their terms to an NFL team. Neither one was going to be the long term answer at QB, and both are completely replaceable.

Focusing on Trubisky in particular, he's not going to get anywhere near $8m on the open market. Here's a list of upcoming UFAs at QB. There are loads of names on there, and they will all come with a lower price tag.

If you want to feel bad for him, feel bad that he blew his final shot at becoming a starter in the NFL.

I will agree on using a draft pick for Oladakun (sp?). Made no sense.

There aren't a whole lot of QB's on that list I'd want as a #2. Half suck and the other half don't have enough experience. And the ones I would take want to be a starter.

Ideally your #2 QB isn't seeing the field. For me It's less about someone who can step in and replace Pickett than an experienced QB who can mentor him.

The main point, though, is that the sheer number of backup QBs on the market should drive prices down. I'd rather have Andy Dalton at $4m than Trubisky at $8m.

Are we really going to be that far up against the cap where those savings are an issue?
Sure it's not ideal for Mitch to be at $8M, but there's value in a person who already knows the playbook

[Charles Demarr]

If Mitch is cut/traded, I hope everyone is ready for Josh Dobbs as the backup next year.

I give this a 98% chance of happening.

Agree Jobu, especially after Dobbs strung together a few decent games for the Titans at the end of the season.

Pickett, Dobbs & a draft pick. (Clayton Tune, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Stetson, Duggan etc.)

[Pabst]

Are we really going to be that far up against the cap where those savings are an issue?
Sure it's not ideal for Mitch to be at $8M, but there's value in a person who already knows the playbook

All depends on what they do in free agency. If they plan to go after a big name DL, ILB, and/or CB then yes, that $3-4 million becomes important.

[steelmann58]

going to be curious what they do with Mitch but can't see them keeping him at his current price tag.

[El Kabong]

If Mitch is cut/traded, I hope everyone is ready for Josh Dobbs as the backup next year.

I give this a 98% chance of happening.

Agree Jobu, especially after Dobbs strung together a few decent games for the Titans at the end of the season.

Pickett, Dobbs & a draft pick. (Clayton Tune, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Stetson, Duggan etc.)

Dobbs stunk out loud from what I saw.

[JackLambert58]

This shit concerns me.

Massively.

Rooney 2 is a fuckstick of massive proportions.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-plan-m ... back-2023/

Yep.

A total waste of fucking cap space.

WTF is wrong with Art II?!

Tomlin is head coach for life. Art II enables that. That should provide the answer.

[Charles Demarr]

I give this a 98% chance of happening.

Agree Jobu, especially after Dobbs strung together a few decent games for the Titans at the end of the season.

Pickett, Dobbs & a draft pick. (Clayton Tune, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Stetson, Duggan etc.)

Dobbs stunk out loud from what I saw.

I'm with you, but I guarantee Tomlin and Co. don't think so.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Agree Jobu, especially after Dobbs strung together a few decent games for the Titans at the end of the season.

Pickett, Dobbs & a draft pick. (Clayton Tune, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Stetson, Duggan etc.)

Dobbs stunk out loud from what I saw.

I'm with you, but I guarantee Tomlin and Co. don't think so.

Dobbs was suckling from the tranny cock, just like he did when he was here.

That said, I ain't opposed having him as a backup at vet minimum.

We need to be spending money elsewhere. $10 million is too much for a backup QB.

[Pabst]

Somewhat random, but it fits in this thread:

Derek Carr's 2023 salary (and a portion of his 2024 salary) become fully guaranteed February 15th. He also has a full no-trade clause, so it's almost a lock that he's getting released within the next week.

[Mick]

Somewhat random, but it fits in this thread:

Derek Carr's 2023 salary (and a portion of his 2024 salary) become fully guaranteed February 15th. He also has a full no-trade clause, so it's almost a lock that he's getting released within the next week.

guaranteed feb 14th. Will be trying to trade until last minute

[Kodiak.]

I was a little surprised Carr got dumped, but he's never really been considered a true franchise/elite QB.

But I feel like he'll end-up somewhere with a chance to compete for the starting job. Might be an ideal backup, if you're willing to pay for that luxury, but I'm not sure he's there yet.

[Steeldrama]

I was a little surprised Carr got dumped, but he's never really been considered a true franchise/elite QB.

Yeah he’s no Josh Allen

[Mick]

I was a little surprised Carr got dumped, but he's never really been considered a true franchise/elite QB.

Yeah he’s no Josh Allen

josh allen probowled twice and got Mvp votes (finished 2nd) once in his first five years. Carr probowled 3 times and got MVP votes once (finished 3rd) in his first five years. The rookie contract giveth cap room for roster support and then the veteran contract taketh it away.

‘Never considered elite’ seems like short memory; i’d even bet if you wandered through the memory hole you’d find plenty of “Young Guns: Future of the NFL”ish graphics from 2017ish with pictures of guys like Carr and Wentz and maybe Goff (tho 2018 was his year) etc. who were obviously going to be dominating the league for the next decade.

[jebrick]

Somewhat random, but it fits in this thread:

Derek Carr's 2023 salary (and a portion of his 2024 salary) become fully guaranteed February 15th. He also has a full no-trade clause, so it's almost a lock that he's getting released within the next week.

He is talking to the Saints but why would any team trade for him? He is going to be released if no deal is made. The Steelers could give a 7th this year and a 6th next year and get him. Raiders are desperate.

[Pabst]

Somewhat random, but it fits in this thread:

Derek Carr's 2023 salary (and a portion of his 2024 salary) become fully guaranteed February 15th. He also has a full no-trade clause, so it's almost a lock that he's getting released within the next week.

He is talking to the Saints but why would any team trade for him? He is going to be released if no deal is made. The Steelers could give a 7th this year and a 6th next year and get him. Raiders are desperate.

There are only a few teams (Seattle, Houston, NY, Atlanta) that need a QB and could actually fit him under the cap.

That fully guaranteed $35m salary means there's no chance the Steelers make a trade.

[Mick]

I could imagine a Baker Mayfieldesque trade: if Carr’s market value is slightly below what his contract is, LV could subsidize his contract off their own cap in order to save face (Carr wins by getting over market value, trade partner wins by getting Carr below market value, LV wins by mortgaging their future to avoid getting a bit of negative press from the ignorant football media).

[Pabst]

I could imagine a Baker Mayfieldesque trade: if Carr’s market value is slightly below what his contract is, LV could subsidize his contract off their own cap in order to save face (Carr wins by getting over market value, trade partner wins by getting Carr below market value, LV wins by mortgaging their future to avoid getting a bit of negative press from the ignorant football media).

Just to throw a wrench in your plan: Vegas is apparently experiencing a ton of financial problems (it's why they can't fire McDaniel). I doubt they want to retain any salary if they don't have to

[blu]

If they want a backup quarterback with experience, signing basically any CFL quarterback would give the Steelers at least as much chance at winning as Trubisky & he would come cheap.