Does Kadarius Toney get released tonight?

[jeemie]

"That neutral zone infraction was so blatant that four Romulan Warbirds showed up."

It was so blatant Walter Sobchek grabbed his piece from his day bag and yelled "mark it zero, Smokey, that was over the line, this isn't Nam!"



I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that some strumpet could line up offsides and get away with it.

Nice...

[K_C_]

"That neutral zone infraction was so blatant that four Romulan Warbirds showed up."

It was so blatant Walter Sobchek grabbed his piece from his day bag and yelled "mark it zero, Smokey, that was over the line, this isn't Nam!"



I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that some strumpet could line up offsides and get away with it.

Wasn't Smokey played by the blues guitarist Jimmy Dale Gilmore, or am I misremembering?

[Steeldrama]

"That neutral zone infraction was so blatant that four Romulan Warbirds showed up."

It was so blatant Walter Sobchek grabbed his piece from his day bag and yelled "mark it zero, Smokey, that was over the line, this isn't Nam!"



I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that some strumpet could line up offsides and get away with it.

Well played, sir

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Given the T Bone Burnett connection of the Coens that casting would not surprise me.

"not the fucking Eagles, man!"

addendum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmie_Dale_Gilmore

You are correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wjmwwpFjOg

and he's as coy as Frenchy Fuqua about whether he was over the line or not.

If you Zapruder the clip at :08-:09 I think Smokey is correct, unlike Mahomes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vB9U2hx6Qg

[CKSteeler]

With regards to Toney, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Shame that Mahomes and Reid seem intent to blame the refs over his dumb, useless, entitled ass.

[jeemie]

Dropped pass in the opener.

Illegal motion penalty in the Packers' game.

Now this.

That's 3 of the 5 losses where Toney played a critical role in ensuring the loss.

[jeemie]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

[Deebo]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

What blows my mind is my HS coach instructed us to ALWAYS look at the official when you're at WR. You can even talk to him and say "I'm supposed to be on the LOS, am I good?". Our HS coach even told us to mimic the hand signal for being on or off the LOS and the ref will typically give you a nod.

And anyone comparing this play to the Steelers being lined up offside on the FG is out to lunch. They are different scenarios or at minimum they are officiated differently. Semo was maybe a quarter of a yard offsides. Toney was at least a yard.

On the FGA, offensive players lined up a smidge offside are generally ignored. I have never in my life seen a flag for an O-lineman on a FGA lined offsides until this year.

While rare, I have indeed seen on regular snaps offensive players flagged for being offside.

[bradshaw2ben]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

Taylor has been doing this FS routine for longer than that even. Impunity.

I lost track of how many times Sunday I noticed WRs lined up offside like Toney with not one call.

[zeke5123]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

The refs let tackles get a step head start. It has been happening for much longer than two years now.

[jeemie]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

Taylor has been doing this FS routine for longer than that even. Impunity.

I lost track of how many times Sunday I noticed WRs lined up offside like Toney with not one call.

He was way offsides. I haven't seen any that egregious.

And again, the flag was thrown before the play unfolded, so there was no way the official knew what was going to happen.

It's a bad look for the Chiefs to bitch about it this much.

[bradshaw2ben]

For @bradshaw2ben ...confirmation from Andy Reid that Toney did not, in fact, check his alignment with the official.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... to-penalty

Now of course the talk has turned to Von Miller not being called offside on the subsequent third and 15 play.

Which was not called for a good reason...he wasn't offside...he timed his jump perfectly.

You know what DID happen and wasn't called?

The right tackle false started...continuing a pattern where the right tackle has been allowed to false start for almost two years now.

Taylor has been doing this FS routine for longer than that even. Impunity.

I lost track of how many times Sunday I noticed WRs lined up offside like Toney with not one call.

He was way offsides. I haven't seen any that egregious.

And again, the flag was thrown before the play unfolded, so there was no way the official knew what was going to happen.

It's a bad look for the Chiefs to bitch about it this much.

I texted Jeremy last night that there were numerous occasions where a WR lined up with his foot all the way up to the front of the ball/LOS, just like Toney. I was surprised that KC fans weren't all over the interwebs/twitter today with screenshots.

[K_C_]

Taylor has been doing this FS routine for longer than that even. Impunity.

I lost track of how many times Sunday I noticed WRs lined up offside like Toney with not one call.

He was way offsides. I haven't seen any that egregious.

And again, the flag was thrown before the play unfolded, so there was no way the official knew what was going to happen.

It's a bad look for the Chiefs to bitch about it this much.

I texted Jeremy last night that there were numerous occasions where a WR lined up with his foot all the way up to the front of the ball/LOS, just like Toney. I was surprised that KC fans weren't all over the interwebs/twitter today with screenshots.

“No warning is required, especially if they are lined up so far offside where they’re actually blocking our view of the ball,” referee Carl Cheffers said. “We would give them some sort of a warning if it was anywhere close, but this particular one is beyond a warning.”

[SteelerDayTrader]

I’m largely against trying to make reffing perfect. It doesn’t work. All it does is make the debatable edge thinner

That said

If I was commish I think I’d try to institute 2 things

- A year limit on rule changes unless a super majority of teams voted to break the seal. Like maybe no rule changes for 5 years

- An AI consistency model applied to all teams and ref units that was distributed and outlined weekly

I think the Chiefs big issue is that rule seems arbitrarily applied at times and I don’t think that idea is unique to that rule or the Chiefs

[jeemie]

Taylor has been doing this FS routine for longer than that even. Impunity.

I lost track of how many times Sunday I noticed WRs lined up offside like Toney with not one call.

He was way offsides. I haven't seen any that egregious.

And again, the flag was thrown before the play unfolded, so there was no way the official knew what was going to happen.

It's a bad look for the Chiefs to bitch about it this much.

I texted Jeremy last night that there were numerous occasions where a WR lined up with his foot all the way up to the front of the ball/LOS, just like Toney. I was surprised that KC fans weren't all over the interwebs/twitter today with screenshots.

The screenshots I saw today were supposedly the four other times during the game where Toney was lined up offsides (to be fair, he pretty much was in all of them) and it didn't get called.

However I believe had Mahomes completed a little five yard out pass, no one would have been complaining about this flag, which was thrown at the snap.

So unless you a) think the side judge is prescient and/or b) the NFL IS scripted, there's no way he would know what the outcome of the play was going to be.

[bradshaw2ben]

He was way offsides. I haven't seen any that egregious.

And again, the flag was thrown before the play unfolded, so there was no way the official knew what was going to happen.

It's a bad look for the Chiefs to bitch about it this much.

I texted Jeremy last night that there were numerous occasions where a WR lined up with his foot all the way up to the front of the ball/LOS, just like Toney. I was surprised that KC fans weren't all over the interwebs/twitter today with screenshots.

The screenshots I saw today were supposedly the four other times during the game where Toney was lined up offsides (to be fair, he pretty much was in all of them) and it didn't get called.

However I believe had Mahomes completed a little five yard out pass, no one would have been complaining about this flag, which was thrown at the snap.

So unless you a) think the side judge is prescient and/or b) the NFL IS scripted, there's no way he would know what the outcome of the play was going to be.

No I don’t think it’s conspiratorial… I think it’s cheap. It’s a ticky tack thing they probably got some memo on before the season. Generally I hate stuff they let go all game and then call at a crucial moment, precisely because it gives the appearance they’re subtly affecting outcomes.

Call those penalties early or communicate to players that they’re going to get called for that at some point if they persist.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I texted Jeremy last night that there were numerous occasions where a WR lined up with his foot all the way up to the front of the ball/LOS, just like Toney. I was surprised that KC fans weren't all over the interwebs/twitter today with screenshots.

The screenshots I saw today were supposedly the four other times during the game where Toney was lined up offsides (to be fair, he pretty much was in all of them) and it didn't get called.

However I believe had Mahomes completed a little five yard out pass, no one would have been complaining about this flag, which was thrown at the snap.

So unless you a) think the side judge is prescient and/or b) the NFL IS scripted, there's no way he would know what the outcome of the play was going to be.

No I don’t think it’s conspiratorial… I think it’s cheap. It’s a ticky tack thing they probably got some memo on before the season. Generally I hate stuff they let go all game and then call at a crucial moment, precisely because it gives the appearance they’re subtly affecting outcomes.

Call those penalties early or communicate to players that they’re going to get called for that at some point if they persist.

[KCSteeler]

It's a glorious week to be living in Kansas City. That said, 80% of the sports radio and fan commentary is "the refs fucked us". If they somehow manage to dump their upcoming game against the Pats, there are going to be a lot of bitchin' camaros wrecked, wives beaten and dogs kicked.

One can hope at least.