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Post by VeritasSteel » Thu May 09, 2024 7:07 pm

is Pat Freiermuth.

The entire offseason has benefitted him in some way. First I do not believe the hype that suddenly this team is going to turn into a one dimensional ground and pound team-there are going to be passing opportunities that will force teams to chose their poison. Second, If you are looking for a big name #2 WR to come in here and contribute big numbers- its probably not going to happen. The number RECEIVING #2 option is already on the roster. Let me lay out my case

1. Hired Smith and we all know the playbook- lots of TE friendly sets.

2. Getting Russel Wilson a guy who knows the value of a TE in the passing game Zach Miller and Jimmy Graham both were Pro Bowlers with him. He didn't have that connection in Denver and it showed.

3. Letting DJ go- 70% of DJs routes could be run by TEs. He didnt run a lot of 9s or go's. a lot of his catches were off possession routes at the hashes or numbers. He did excel against man coverage and those Cover 2 beaters in the natural gap between the S and CB. The rookie should be comfortable with those routes. Someone mention he isnt the best off press coverage. I dont see a lot of teams running press coverage knowing that they could be run blocking themselves out of the play.

4. Drafting 3 OL. These guys do not need a lot of help in the passing game so he and Washington can be in patterns 40% more on passing downs. Yeah Washington wasn't in there on obvious passing downs but now on PAs he's a threat down the seams or over the middle when they blitz.

5. Tyler Boyd signs with the Titans for less than 5 million. We all know that Tyler wanted to be drafted by the PS or come home in FA- but we got really stingy. Why? Boyd's route tree is dead set in the middle of the field. Deep middle, but still right where the TE is doing his business. That's why Cincy got away with not having a pass catching TE for so long.

All this means is that Freiermuth takes a big leap in production this year. I am not predicting that he's going to be the first read on the majority of passes, I do see a guy that once he and the QB connect he'll be getting those outlets and those deep middle balls (Buffalo in the preseason) that really open up the offense. If the middle LB is covering the deep middle I love a Texas route to Warren or crossing route to Austin underneath for a. low risk high reward play that we could run 3 or 4 times a game.

If the rookie WR is a willing blocker in the run game and can get his feet in those sideline zone spots- he's your #2 and we arent looking back. But in summation Pat if he can stay injury and concussion free should be a top 3 TE this year in catches and yards and the Steelers will lead the league in TE red zone TD catches.



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Post by VeritasSteel » Thu May 09, 2024 7:48 pm

That midget played in two SuperBowls and beat 4 playoff teams including the Chiefs last year. If hes a midget, then lets follow the yellow brick road.

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Post by VeritasSteel » Thu May 09, 2024 8:54 pm

O'Donnell's Bookie wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 8:33 pm
Yeah I remember him throwing that pick at the goal line in that last one.
We all do. Epic play by the DB off of some poor play calling by the Seahawks and poor placement by him. That would grind on anyone.
But if you are him and you get another opportunity in a similar situation- you are trying to get some redemption.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri May 10, 2024 12:32 am

VeritasSteel wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 7:07 pm
is Pat Freiermuth.

The entire offseason has benefitted him in some way. First I do not believe the hype that suddenly this team is going to turn into a one dimensional ground and pound team-there are going to be passing opportunities that will force teams to chose their poison. Second, If you are looking for a big name #2 WR to come in here and contribute big numbers- its probably not going to happen. The number RECEIVING #2 option is already on the roster. Let me lay out my case

1. Hired Smith and we all know the playbook- lots of TE friendly sets.

2. Getting Russel Wilson a guy who knows the value of a TE in the passing game Zach Miller and Jimmy Graham both were Pro Bowlers with him. He didn't have that connection in Denver and it showed.

3. Letting DJ go- 70% of DJs routes could be run by TEs. He didnt run a lot of 9s or go's. a lot of his catches were off possession routes at the hashes or numbers. He did excel against man coverage and those Cover 2 beaters in the natural gap between the S and CB. The rookie should be comfortable with those routes. Someone mention he isnt the best off press coverage. I dont see a lot of teams running press coverage knowing that they could be run blocking themselves out of the play.

4. Drafting 3 OL. These guys do not need a lot of help in the passing game so he and Washington can be in patterns 40% more on passing downs. Yeah Washington wasn't in there on obvious passing downs but now on PAs he's a threat down the seams or over the middle when they blitz.

5. Tyler Boyd signs with the Titans for less than 5 million. We all know that Tyler wanted to be drafted by the PS or come home in FA- but we got really stingy. Why? Boyd's route tree is dead set in the middle of the field. Deep middle, but still right where the TE is doing his business. That's why Cincy got away with not having a pass catching TE for so long.

All this means is that Freiermuth takes a big leap in production this year. I am not predicting that he's going to be the first read on the majority of passes, I do see a guy that once he and the QB connect he'll be getting those outlets and those deep middle balls (Buffalo in the preseason) that really open up the offense. If the middle LB is covering the deep middle I love a Texas route to Warren or crossing route to Austin underneath for a. low risk high reward play that we could run 3 or 4 times a game.

If the rookie WR is a willing blocker in the run game and can get his feet in those sideline zone spots- he's your #2 and we arent looking back. But in summation Pat if he can stay injury and concussion free should be a top 3 TE this year in catches and yards and the Steelers will lead the league in TE red zone TD catches.
You mean the Pat Freiermuth who the last two years is 18th in receiving yards and 24th in TDs for a TE (and who has concussion and hamstring issues)? Real excited about him being our #2 target.
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Post by RemoAZ » Fri May 10, 2024 2:11 am

Will he be healthy enough to flourish in your scenario is my question.
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Post by Stillchest » Fri May 10, 2024 3:23 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 12:32 am
VeritasSteel wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 7:07 pm
is Pat Freiermuth.

The entire offseason has benefitted him in some way. First I do not believe the hype that suddenly this team is going to turn into a one dimensional ground and pound team-there are going to be passing opportunities that will force teams to chose their poison. Second, If you are looking for a big name #2 WR to come in here and contribute big numbers- its probably not going to happen. The number RECEIVING #2 option is already on the roster. Let me lay out my case

1. Hired Smith and we all know the playbook- lots of TE friendly sets.

2. Getting Russel Wilson a guy who knows the value of a TE in the passing game Zach Miller and Jimmy Graham both were Pro Bowlers with him. He didn't have that connection in Denver and it showed.

3. Letting DJ go- 70% of DJs routes could be run by TEs. He didnt run a lot of 9s or go's. a lot of his catches were off possession routes at the hashes or numbers. He did excel against man coverage and those Cover 2 beaters in the natural gap between the S and CB. The rookie should be comfortable with those routes. Someone mention he isnt the best off press coverage. I dont see a lot of teams running press coverage knowing that they could be run blocking themselves out of the play.

4. Drafting 3 OL. These guys do not need a lot of help in the passing game so he and Washington can be in patterns 40% more on passing downs. Yeah Washington wasn't in there on obvious passing downs but now on PAs he's a threat down the seams or over the middle when they blitz.

5. Tyler Boyd signs with the Titans for less than 5 million. We all know that Tyler wanted to be drafted by the PS or come home in FA- but we got really stingy. Why? Boyd's route tree is dead set in the middle of the field. Deep middle, but still right where the TE is doing his business. That's why Cincy got away with not having a pass catching TE for so long.

All this means is that Freiermuth takes a big leap in production this year. I am not predicting that he's going to be the first read on the majority of passes, I do see a guy that once he and the QB connect he'll be getting those outlets and those deep middle balls (Buffalo in the preseason) that really open up the offense. If the middle LB is covering the deep middle I love a Texas route to Warren or crossing route to Austin underneath for a. low risk high reward play that we could run 3 or 4 times a game.

If the rookie WR is a willing blocker in the run game and can get his feet in those sideline zone spots- he's your #2 and we arent looking back. But in summation Pat if he can stay injury and concussion free should be a top 3 TE this year in catches and yards and the Steelers will lead the league in TE red zone TD catches.
You mean the Pat Freiermuth who the last two years is 18th in receiving yards and 24th in TDs for a TE (and who has concussion and hamstring issues)? Real excited about him being our #2 target.
By most metrics used to measure TE's, PF is just average.

Not sure why many in the fan base are excited about him?!

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Post by Ice » Fri May 10, 2024 10:12 am

Probably because he's a fine, upstanding character type.

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Post by Stillchest » Fri May 10, 2024 12:02 pm

Ice wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 10:12 am
Probably because he's a fine, upstanding character type.

And Muuuuuuuth. Can't forget Muuuuuth.
Just like they did HEeaattth!

Although, I'd take Heath over Muth as a player, every time.

There is nothing dynamic about Muth's game.

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Post by Charles Demarr » Fri May 10, 2024 1:17 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 12:32 am
VeritasSteel wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 7:07 pm
is Pat Freiermuth.

The entire offseason has benefitted him in some way. First I do not believe the hype that suddenly this team is going to turn into a one dimensional ground and pound team-there are going to be passing opportunities that will force teams to chose their poison. Second, If you are looking for a big name #2 WR to come in here and contribute big numbers- its probably not going to happen. The number RECEIVING #2 option is already on the roster. Let me lay out my case

1. Hired Smith and we all know the playbook- lots of TE friendly sets.

2. Getting Russel Wilson a guy who knows the value of a TE in the passing game Zach Miller and Jimmy Graham both were Pro Bowlers with him. He didn't have that connection in Denver and it showed.

3. Letting DJ go- 70% of DJs routes could be run by TEs. He didnt run a lot of 9s or go's. a lot of his catches were off possession routes at the hashes or numbers. He did excel against man coverage and those Cover 2 beaters in the natural gap between the S and CB. The rookie should be comfortable with those routes. Someone mention he isnt the best off press coverage. I dont see a lot of teams running press coverage knowing that they could be run blocking themselves out of the play.

4. Drafting 3 OL. These guys do not need a lot of help in the passing game so he and Washington can be in patterns 40% more on passing downs. Yeah Washington wasn't in there on obvious passing downs but now on PAs he's a threat down the seams or over the middle when they blitz.

5. Tyler Boyd signs with the Titans for less than 5 million. We all know that Tyler wanted to be drafted by the PS or come home in FA- but we got really stingy. Why? Boyd's route tree is dead set in the middle of the field. Deep middle, but still right where the TE is doing his business. That's why Cincy got away with not having a pass catching TE for so long.

All this means is that Freiermuth takes a big leap in production this year. I am not predicting that he's going to be the first read on the majority of passes, I do see a guy that once he and the QB connect he'll be getting those outlets and those deep middle balls (Buffalo in the preseason) that really open up the offense. If the middle LB is covering the deep middle I love a Texas route to Warren or crossing route to Austin underneath for a. low risk high reward play that we could run 3 or 4 times a game.

If the rookie WR is a willing blocker in the run game and can get his feet in those sideline zone spots- he's your #2 and we arent looking back. But in summation Pat if he can stay injury and concussion free should be a top 3 TE this year in catches and yards and the Steelers will lead the league in TE red zone TD catches.
You mean the Pat Freiermuth who the last two years is 18th in receiving yards and 24th in TDs for a TE (and who has concussion and hamstring issues)? Real excited about him being our #2 target.
You've been the ultimate Debbie Downer lately, but I agree with you on this one. Muth will be injured by week 3.
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Post by Orangesteel » Fri May 10, 2024 1:25 pm

Muth = whelming and nothing more.
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Post by anpsteel » Fri May 10, 2024 1:58 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 8:54 pm
O'Donnell's Bookie wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 8:33 pm
Yeah I remember him throwing that pick at the goal line in that last one.
We all do. Epic play by the DB off of some poor play calling by the Seahawks and poor placement by him. That would grind on anyone.
But if you are him and you get another opportunity in a similar situation- you are trying to get some redemption.
If I recall correctly, the receiver didn’t do a very good job given where the corner was lined up

To my recollection the corner was in press and shaded to the inside, which automatically gave him an advantage on that play because it puts him in position to jump the route

So the receiver either needed to take a jab step into the corner and then out, or the read should’ve been changed, or play Audibled out of

My recollection of the play was wrong

I forgot Seahawks receiver was lined up outside off the line, as the Z. Butler was in off man

The Y receiver was on the line and essentially acted as a screen, creating a rub route. This corner was in press man, and jammed the receiver at the line

Malcolm Butler read the play and beat the receiver to the spot

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