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Post by stillthere » Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm

Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.



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Post by tbsteel » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:02 pm

Boswell. Best game of his career.

Payton Wilson played a ton and honestly looked like our best LB. Looked like he belonged.

DeShon Elliott and the rest of the secondary. Everyone had a great day.

Pickens made some sick grabs and was giving a lot of effort out there.

Broderick Jones played a clean game.
*reserves the right to roots for losses*

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Post by steelclan » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:05 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
I don't mind that call at, Pickens blowing a block was a far bigger thing to moan about. That play was there.

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Post by Steelperch » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.

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Post by steelclan » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
MM I disagree it was fine, Pickens completely whiffed on Falcon's safety. Had he merely gotten in the way? Jefferson could've dived for a first with relative ease.

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Post by stillthere » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
Not kicking was stupid.
Makes it 8 points which forces the other team to execute a scoring play and execute a 2 point play. So they would have to have 2 things go right just to tie.
Saying the play call was wrong or any other argument is null due to the concept of the other team having to play perfect ball for the last 5 minutes to have a chance at a tie.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:22 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
Not kicking was stupid.
Makes it 8 points which forces the other team to execute a scoring play and execute a 2 point play. So they would have to have 2 things go right just to tie.
Saying the play call was wrong or any other argument is null due to the concept of the other team having to play perfect ball for the last 5 minutes to have a chance at a tie.
This

Tomlin is a dumbfuck

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Post by chippedhamsandwich » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:24 pm

OLine and DLine made plays, let others do their job, especially with a late week QB change

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Post by stillthere » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:27 pm

Not to mention the not being up by 8 instead of 5 late meant that the play calling changed after and may have led directly to the injury to the punter (The brightest star of the preseason)

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:29 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
Play call was stupid because Tomlin forgot about all the fumble snaps earlier in the game and the awful history with the QB sneak!

And your kicker is obviously playing lights out…it was a stupid in game decision with an even worse play call.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:33 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
Not kicking was stupid.
Makes it 8 points which forces the other team to execute a scoring play and execute a 2 point play. So they would have to have 2 things go right just to tie.
Saying the play call was wrong or any other argument is null due to the concept of the other team having to play perfect ball for the last 5 minutes to have a chance at a tie.
This is what Tomlin lives for…to put the defense in this position! Agreed!

I guarantee someone suggested to kick the FG and he just did the opposite to prove a childish point. Was probably Arthur Smith and he wanted to assert his control of the offense. What else would explain Tomlin not wanting his defense in pin back ears mode, to be in a series where they absolutely have to score and then go for 2?

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Post by VeritasSteel » Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm

You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.

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Post by Louis Lipps Service » Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:53 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm
You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.
In a vacuum, I’d be fine going for it there. I generally prefer to be aggressive.

It just makes no sense with the rest of the game. We had several drives that we purposely gave up on after first or second down so that we could guarantee a field goal attempt at the expense of a chance at TDs.

You’re going to call the game that way for 56 minutes and then suddenly go for it on 4th instead of taking a gimmie FG that probably gives you probably a 95% chance to win the game?

It makes no sense.

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Post by stillthere » Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:53 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm
You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.
You are right they had 1 good drive on offense the entire game. Then left the door open by maintaining a 5 point lead instead of an 8 point lead because the coach's gut feeling?

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Post by Orangesteel » Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:54 pm

Steelers win. Kudos.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:59 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:54 pm
Steelers win. Kudos.

Not a dumber coach in the league than Mike Tomlin
Scariest aspect? Possible dumbest HOF HC to be ever enshrined. If it happens.

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Post by Jobu » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:02 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:59 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:54 pm
Steelers win. Kudos.

Not a dumber coach in the league than Mike Tomlin
Scariest aspect? Possible dumbest HOF HC to be ever enshrined. If it happens.
Oh, Tomlin to the HoF is a stone cold lock.
Fun fact…he’s never had a losing season! Most don’t know that…

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Post by K_C_ » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:04 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:58 pm
Mike Tomlin

There are quite a few reasons but we will stick with not kicking the FG to go up 8 late.
FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
I liked going for it but what was the rush?

Any hard count there likely gets you a free 5 yards and a first down.

Even the announcers were wondering why the Steelers were in such a rush. Absolutely looked like they never practiced for that situation. No nuance no situational understanding or composure.

That’s on Tomlin.
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Post by anpsteel » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:06 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:22 pm
stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:10 pm


FG makes it a 1 score game. TD wins it. I get the call, play call was stupid.
Not kicking was stupid.
Makes it 8 points which forces the other team to execute a scoring play and execute a 2 point play. So they would have to have 2 things go right just to tie.
Saying the play call was wrong or any other argument is null due to the concept of the other team having to play perfect ball for the last 5 minutes to have a chance at a tie.
This

Tomlin is a dumbfuck
Not kicking the field goal there, is almost as dumb as the year he was determined to go for it on 4th down, despite three consecutive false start penalties.

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Post by K_C_ » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:08 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm
You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.
Bingo.

Going for it was fine. I loved going for it but rushing the play was idiotic. That’s on coaching.

Arthur Smith should have been in Fields’ ear to SLOW THE FUCJ DOWN. Try and draw the Falcons offside.

Didn’t even try.
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Post by Steeldrama » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:18 pm

Took more than a few breaks for some driveway basketball

How’d Dan Moore look?

Zach Frazier legit?

Seemed like Bijan was unstoppable on screens

Was that on Queen or scheme?
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Post by Orangesteel » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:24 pm

On the fourth down call, the point is they were so jittery, so unsettled that the play was doomed from the start.

Tomlin has been the coach of this team for 17 goddamn seasons and yet situationally we are so so so bad. They had the entire play clock and could milk whatever they needed to there to get set to get a yard and we looked terrible.

This is concerning because we see this year in, and year out.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:29 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:24 pm
On the fourth down call, the point is they were so jittery, so unsettled that the play was doomed from the start.

Tomlin has been the coach of this team for 17 goddamn seasons and yet situationally we are so so so bad. They had the entire play clock and could milk whatever they needed to there to get set to get a yard and we looked terrible.

This is concerning because we see this year in, and year out.
This is spot on

AND

do we still have Tomlin apologists populating this site?

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Post by stillthere » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:40 pm

Jobu wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:02 pm

Oh, Tomlin to the HoF is a stone cold lock.
Fun fact…he’s never had a losing season! Most don’t know that…
An older fun fact (but it still checks out)
Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

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Post by Jobu » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:46 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:40 pm
Jobu wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:02 pm

Oh, Tomlin to the HoF is a stone cold lock.
Fun fact…he’s never had a losing season! Most don’t know that…
An older fun fact (but it still checks out)
Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.
Good to know! ;)
:lol:

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Post by Stosh-67 » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:52 pm

Queen had a quiet game.
Payton Wilson was the best of the 3 ILBs

Elliott and Donte Jackson could not have had better PS debuts

Benton quiet...
But ate up blocks as most of run damage came outside. Left side runs broke down, lost contain.

Not sure Porter saw much thrown his way that I recall.

Safe to say, the OL played better than we all expected. Broderick settled in. Anderson was solid at LG. Think he had a nice pull and block on a late 3rd down conversion.
Dan Moore kept his side clean
Frazier, after first snap exchange looked solid. Looked good leading a few 3rd and short keepers. That last 4th and 1...he had 3 guys lined up in his face a foot away.

A 5th/6th year QB needs to have enough sense to check out of that. Tho, this braintrust probably does not allow a 5th/6th year qb to check out yet. At worst... someone calls a TO seeing that defense formation.

Game management. Big moment decisions. Time out and clock management was a D today.

Fields - B+.
I think he is the snap exchange issue. Get deeper under center.
Off target a bit. Better on his deep throws. Damn shame they continue to eliminate the middle of field for our QBs.

Pickens -A
Targeted all 3 TEs.

CAlll needs to be the guy catching the WR screen and not be the smallest guy in the field tasked to block. He will break a few or more long punts this year.

Boswell is on the Mt. Rushmore of Steelers kickers.

Not enough Jaylen Warren.
But maybe they were keeping it light today coming back from injury.

Hoping for the best with the punter.
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Post by zeke5123 » Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:59 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm
You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.
Yes. If the Falcons score a TD and get a two pointer you are tied. Being up 8 late with a good defense is a good spot.

The flip side is picking up the first down doesn’t guarantee a TD.

I’d go for it every time probably until early fourth Q. But when Tomlin decided to go for it he was reckless.

It is classic Tomlin. Super conservative when he should be aggressive and super aggressive when he should be conservative.

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Post by zeke5123 » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:00 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 pm
You guys crack me up.

Steelers up until that point were dog walking the Falcons on that drive. It was 4th and less than one and they rushed the play instead of taking their time. Good call poor execution.

A FG doesn’t end the game there. TD and 2 point conversion is still a one score game. Going for the kill there was the correct call to take everything off the defense. They get the first there at worst Falcons get the ball back with no TOs and less than 10 seconds.
Yes. If the Falcons score a TD and get a two pointer you are tied. Being up 8 late with a good defense is a good spot.

The flip side is picking up the first down doesn’t guarantee a TD.

I’d go for it every time probably until early fourth Q. But when Tomlin decided to go for it he was reckless.

It is classic Tomlin. Super conservative when he should be aggressive and super aggressive when he should be conservative.

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Post by steelclan » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:01 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:18 pm
Took more than a few breaks for some driveway basketball

How’d Dan Moore look?

Zach Frazier legit?

Seemed like Bijan was unstoppable on screens

Was that on Queen or scheme?
Moore played his best game as a Steeler. In pass pro he was close to lights out.

Frazier looks legit, has to sort out snap issues but otherwise he had a great first start.

Bijan is that good but Queen needs to play better.

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Post by zeke5123 » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:02 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:52 pm
Queen had a quiet game.
Payton Wilson was the best of the 3 ILBs

Elliott and Donte Jackson could not have had better PS debuts

Benton quiet...
But ate up blocks as most of run damage came outside. Left side runs broke down, lost contain.

Not sure Porter saw much thrown his way that I recall.

Safe to say, the OL played better than we all expected. Broderick settled in. Anderson was solid at LG. Think he had a nice pull and block on a late 3rd down conversion.
Dan Moore kept his side clean
Frazier, after first snap exchange looked solid. Looked good leading a few 3rd and short keepers. That last 4th and 1...he had 3 guys lined up in his face a foot away.

A 5th/6th year QB needs to have enough sense to check out of that. Tho, this braintrust probably does not allow a 5th/6th year qb to check out yet. At worst... someone calls a TO seeing that defense formation.

Game management. Big moment decisions. Time out and clock management was a D today.

Fields - B+.
I think he is the snap exchange issue. Get deeper under center.
Off target a bit. Better on his deep throws. Damn shame they continue to eliminate the middle of field for our QBs.

Pickens -A
Targeted all 3 TEs.

CAlll needs to be the guy catching the WR screen and not be the smallest guy in the field tasked to block. He will break a few or more long punts this year.

Boswell is on the Mt. Rushmore of Steelers kickers.

Not enough Jaylen Warren.
But maybe they were keeping it light today coming back from injury.

Hoping for the best with the punter.
Just on the Mt Rushmore? Boz is honestly one of the best kickers in league history. Top 15 and maybe 10.

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