HC job security in the Norf

[R_S]

I was just reading an article about John Harbaugh being thoroughly grilled about his job security by the press. The article goes on about him squandering peak LJ years. I can't recall Tomlin getting that level of heat at a presser. Anyway I was curious soo....

In the last 15 years the Steeler have 5 playoff wins

Ravens have 10 wins including a Super Bowl

In the last 5 years Ravens have 3 playoff wins ( i kinda thought that was higher)

The Steelers have zero.

The last 9 years is the same.


So now we have to try to figure out why Harbaugh is on the hot seat at least from the press after a failed season in which his QB has been injured and Tomlin is back in good graces.


Is it NHALS?

Is it a cowardly Pittsburgh media?

Is it because Tomlin is a middling successful black coach and that gives him a level of protection unless things really go south?

[SteelPro]

I think the two biggest reasons Harbaugh is taking more heat is because

1) Lamar. He’s won two MVPs and has a runner up finish.
2) the number of big blown leads in recent years

Tomlin blows some games late, but not often of 10+ point lead variety. Although dig in below the surface you realize it is hard to blow a big lead when you aren’t building big leads often.

[swissvale72]

And like Tomlin, Harbaugh, despite being a fuckin dope, like not having 7 yards per carry Derrick Henry close the game against the Patriots, isn't going anywhere.

[Baltostiller]

Many of my friends are season ticket holders here with the Ravens. They want Harbaugh gone and they have hope since Biscotti shit canned Billick even after he won a Super Bowl.
I asked them if they’d trade Harbaugh for Tomlin and everyone would take that. Not that I would…

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

I think the two biggest reasons Harbaugh is taking more heat is because

1) Lamar. He’s won two MVPs and has a runner up finish.
2) the number of big blown leads in recent years

Tomlin blows some games late, but not often of 10+ point lead variety. Although dig in below the surface you realize it is hard to blow a big lead when you aren’t building big leads often.

the raven fanbase are more pitchforks and rocks than we are on Tomlin. They've been pining for his firing. His ultraconservative approach is steeped in fear. He didn't run Henry against the Pats when they brutalizing them, then they stopped. There was no injury reported.

Bungles Coach, and Browns are also said to have warm seats

and Balto, yes that's what i read everywhere to your eyewitness

[Jizz Mop]

If the same exact coaching record and NHALS was occurring in the NY or Philly market, Tomlin would have been fired a long time ago or resigned.

Both those markets are brutal….the journalists and the fans. Tomlin is lucky the Pitt media is a bunch of pussies.

[anpsteel]

I would say they stopped running Henry because he is been fumbling lately

Including two separate games where his fumbles probably cost the team the game

[CKSteeler]

If the same exact coaching record and NHALS was occurring in the NY or Philly market, Tomlin would have been fired a long time ago or resigned.

Both those markets are brutal….the journalists and the fans. Tomlin is lucky the Pitt media is a bunch of pussies.

The mythology of how the Steelers supposed operate has supplanted the reality in the mind of most of the media and that of the fan's. The bullshit about how they don't fire coaches being the prime example. So this gets used as a shield for Tomlin. Steelers haven't fired head coaches (though they forced one of the three out the door, notably the most accomplished of the them) because they haven't really had to.

the media despised Roethlisberger and it seeped down to the fans. Some fans griped about him wasting those years, but you weren't going to see the same fawning adoration a guy like Jackson gets. Many were more than happy to pin any underachieving on Ben rather than the mediocre head coach. Ben just wasn't as quite as good as his top tier peers according to the mainstream narrative so Tomlin wasn't really to blame for anything. There's a pretty strong correlation between the few true Tomlin defenders left and Ben bashers. #7 has been gone for half a decade now and they still blame him for state of the franchise and Black Sports Jesus's diminished reputation.

And Mike Tomlin is black. That's the undertone behind all the ballwashing he receives versus coaches with similar actual resumes.

[SteelPro]

If the same exact coaching record and NHALS was occurring in the NY or Philly market, Tomlin would have been fired a long time ago or resigned.

Both those markets are brutal….the journalists and the fans. Tomlin is lucky the Pitt media is a bunch of pussies.

I have a bunch of friends that are Giants fans. They think I’m crazy for wanting Tomlin gone. In fact they pine to have him. My Philly friends are quite different though. They get it. Although, they also wanted to bench Hurts for Tanner McKee after he had a 5 turnover game a few weeks back. And they were dead serious about it. There has to be a happy medium somewhere here

[CKSteeler]

It's funny because plenty of Giants fans wanted Coughlin gone in between those Super Bowl wins.

[Jizz Mop]

If the same exact coaching record and NHALS was occurring in the NY or Philly market, Tomlin would have been fired a long time ago or resigned.

Both those markets are brutal….the journalists and the fans. Tomlin is lucky the Pitt media is a bunch of pussies.

I have a bunch of friends that are Giants fans. They think I’m crazy for wanting Tomlin gone. In fact they pine to have him. My Philly friends are quite different though. They get it. Although, they also wanted to bench Hurts for Tanner McKee after he had a 5 turnover game a few weeks back. And they were dead serious about it. There has to be a happy medium somewhere here

Wasn’t long ago Iggles fans were calling for Sirianni’s head, not even 9 months removed from a SB win. Imagine them with Tomlin? Haha.

[pickarooney]

It’s not just win or lose, but how they compete in the playoffs that separates Tomlin and Harbaugh for me. Ravens typically look competitive, like a legit playoff team, able to hang with teams like bills, chiefs, pats over the years. Tomlin fields a complete and utter embarrassment over and over.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

I would say they stopped running Henry because he is been fumbling lately

Including two separate games where his fumbles probably cost the team the game

Fair point but this past game it was Flower's fumble lost that killed them

Henry should have been given the ball more

[CKSteeler]

i don't think the fumbles had anything to do with the decision not to play Henry. Harbaugh came out and said it was a discussion between Henry himself and the position coach on how they'd split the reps. Harbaugh wasn't micromanaging it. It's one of those things that fans scream about which seems relatively benign to NFL head coaches who can get lost in the details of their gameplans.

I think Harbaugh gave an honest answer to this and it just baffles outsiders who don't put much thought into it. I'm not defending it as that's the sort of scenario you bring a guy like Henry in for despite his fumbles this year, but it happens all the time in sports as a whole.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

"So now we have to try to figure out why Harbaugh is on the hot seat at least from the press after a failed season in which his QB has been injured and Tomlin is back in good graces.

Is it NHALS?

Is it a cowardly Pittsburgh media?"

Nah, Mark Madden is all over this.

If Harbaugh had been the Steelers coach with more recent playoff and SB wins, Robin DAngelo Stoogerooney would have fired him by 2017 and hired James Franklin to replace him.

[TimmayLake]

Like it or not, the the Rooney Rule, plays a large role in Tomlin's job security.

Harbaugh obviously can't benefit from an arrangement like this.

[Jizz Mop]

Like it or not, the the Rooney Rule, plays a large role in Tomlin's job security.

Harbaugh obviously can't benefit from an arrangement like this.

Is it too late for Harbaugh to do what Trudeau, Danson, Kimmel and even C Thomas Howell did in Soul Man? (great movie by the way)

[StillerDownSouth]

I think the two biggest reasons Harbaugh is taking more heat is because

1) Lamar. He’s won two MVPs and has a runner up finish.
2) the number of big blown leads in recent years

Tomlin blows some games late, but not often of 10+ point lead variety. Although dig in below the surface you realize it is hard to blow a big lead when you aren’t building big leads often.

the raven fanbase are more pitchforks and rocks than we are on Tomlin. They've been pining for his firing. His ultraconservative approach is steeped in fear. He didn't run Henry against the Pats when they brutalizing them, then they stopped. There was no injury reported.

Bungles Coach, and Browns are also said to have warm seats

and Balto, yes that's what i read everywhere to your eyewitness

Henry did lose a fumble on the possession before, and Henry has lost several fumbles late in games this season, might be the reason he was on the bench.

[.Kodiak]

Tomlin is the Larry Foote of coaches

[swissvale72]

I think the two biggest reasons Harbaugh is taking more heat is because

1) Lamar. He’s won two MVPs and has a runner up finish.
2) the number of big blown leads in recent years

Tomlin blows some games late, but not often of 10+ point lead variety. Although dig in below the surface you realize it is hard to blow a big lead when you aren’t building big leads often.

the raven fanbase are more pitchforks and rocks than we are on Tomlin. They've been pining for his firing. His ultraconservative approach is steeped in fear. He didn't run Henry against the Pats when they brutalizing them, then they stopped. There was no injury reported.

Bungles Coach, and Browns are also said to have warm seats

and Balto, yes that's what i read everywhere to your eyewitness

Henry did lose a fumble on the possession before, and Henry has lost several fumbles late in games this season, might be the reason he was on the bench.

No… Henry lost a fumble on the ravens second possession of the game

[Thrillsseeker]

Like it or not, the the Rooney Rule, plays a large role in Tomlin's job security.

Harbaugh obviously can't benefit from an arrangement like this.

This.

DEI bullshit. Rooney bullshit. Media bullshit. Pittsburgh media knows full well they start asking the “tough” questions, they’ll have their access revoked. Pathetic really.

[Works At A Bank]

MT and Mike McCarthy have very similar records but no one in the media bends over backwards to blow McCarthy. I wonder why?