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Revisiting Milledgeville and the HOF

Post by CKSteeler » Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:35 am

Let's just start off by saying that the HOF voters aren't supposed to use off the field conduct in their voting process, though we all know they do. Their personal biases and opinions of players matter a lot. It's why Belichick got the cold shoulder this year despite being a slam dunk first ballot no brainer. We are going to be revisiting all of this in a years time when Ben is rejected on his first go around.

I typed this up as a comment on another site to someone saying that Ben is responsible for how people view him in regards to being a rapist.
The only way Ben could have brought those opinions upon himself is if he actually did the deed and in which case he should be in a prison cell. But he wasn't even charged. People are always going to level those accusations but the funniest part to me is you'll see some guy laud Kobe Bryant out of one side of his mouth and then attack Ben as a rapist out of the other. Those people know who they are, too.

If we assume Ben did not do it (the first case shouldn't even be a question to me, but it's irrelevant here) either time for a moment, then no that particular accusation isn't really something he brought upon himself.

Being in general an arrogant jackass or a bore or however you describe it does not mean you open yourself up to accusations of rape.

Ponder this for a moment. Ben for whatever reason slept with a really crazy (and frankly unattractive) female while on vacation. An employee in some resort. She spends the next few months bragging about it and talking about moving to Pittsburgh to start a relationship with him while co-workers look at her in horror. All of this is basically documented. She feels spurned and somehow gets it into her head to file a lawsuit that as far as we know went nowhere. We don't even know if there was a settlement or if a single dime changed hands.

Skip ahead roughly a year to his misadventure in Milledgeville. He goes into the bathroom with a drunk girl trying to get laid who had been flirting and wearing a DTF sticker on her chest. His version of events is that she was too drunk to do much with and he left without much happening.

Her friends who were outside the bathroom in the area with everyone else see her stumble out or however that happened. They Google Ben and see the story on his first rape accusation. The lawsuit from the crazy broad in Lake Tahoe. They did Google Ben I'd wager because they gave the cops his exact height and weight from his player profile on NFL.com. Exactly the same.

The girl in the bathroom, very drunk, initially tells her friends she wasn't raped. They insist she talk to the police anyway. She being drunk goes along with their suggestion. She talks to the cops, is on video slurring her words. Initially tells them she wasn't raped before saying she kind of was.

Here it is from CNN:
According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "


There was no physical evidence proving intercourse had occurred that night. There was minute DNA evidence that was so small that they couldn't even match it to Ben.

The girl claims that when they had sex, Ben did not use a condom. Which is a pretty important detail. But again...the DNA evidence was so minute that they couldn't get any match.

It was the victim and her family who declined to even pursue the matter further, but even if they hadn't this almost certainly doesn't get any convictions. I doubt a DA would charge. Again, there's zero evidence money changed hands and as far as I can tell no one has ever talked to this girl again about what happened. Or at least she hasn't talked.

But then same grandstanding DA got on TV and mugged for the camera. That's another story.

I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, but I know no jury was going to convict even if this did get to court because she was that drunk, no physical evidence, and perhaps most importantly she contradicted herself and couldn't give the cops a clear answer as to anything that did happen until sobering up. And the physical evidence that did exist contradicted her story frankly.

The media already hated Ben by this point in his career. They weren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and there was never a truly honest accounting of the evidence against him.

There was more evidence against Kobe than there was Ben. As far as we can tell, Ben didn't even have a consensual sexual encounter.
It basically sums the case up in a way you'll never get from the media. It's all factual. It's easy to verify what I'm saying. Most of the people who throw this accusation out against Ben don't know much beyond he was suspended and hung out to dry by that prick Art II, Goodell, and the grandstanding DA who frankly had no business making those remarks in a case where the evidence indicated that she probably didn't even have sex with Ben let alone get raped.

I don't care about Ben's honor. I don't care if morons want to level the accusation against him. Doesn't bother me any. Athletes, sports, the Steelers are just entertainment. On a personal level, if Ben was guilty, he should have gone to jail obviously. This to me isn't even a case of not enough evidence or just he said she said. The evidence we have backs up Ben's version of events more than it doesn't.

It was kind of a fluky set of circumstances and I think many guys who have been to bars and clubbing can relate to some elements of it regardless of whether they are a famous athlete or anything of the sort. The jealous and cock blocking friends to start with who were the ones who pushed the girl to go to the police and make the accusation to begin with.

I genuinely do not believe Roethlisberger was guilty of this and the first case was so absurd that it doesn't even deserve mentioning. But it's an example of perception becoming the reality. People can say there were technically two rape accusations against him regardless of the evidence in either and one being completely laughable on its face.

I'm not going to single-handedly change anything about this, but I felt like Ben got railroaded at the time. I had personally been seemingly the only person railing against Goodell and his personal conduct bullshit since 2007 when it started with Chris Henry. And it was kind of funny at the time to see it applied to Ben and the Steelers.

He was railroaded throughout the entire process. Two sanctimonious pricks in Goodell and the DA used it to advance their agenda and career respectively. The media just wanted a story and hated Ben for how he acted towards them so fuck him. And then there was Art II who didn't care about what happened and just didn't want the headlines getting him sour looks at the cocktail parties or a fan revolt.

Ben doesn't have to be a great guy in my version of reality. He doesn't have to behave like I would have or like to think I would have. He may have been a drunk, a louse, or any number of other things. But there is dick all for evidence that he raped anyone. So many people worry more about perception than truth. They don't want to defend Ben because the general consensus among the media, backed by ambitious and unscrupulous power figures, and the general public was two accusations makes him auto-guilty. His behavior then just made it even easier. The guy doesn't tip and talks trash during pick-up basketball games? Fuck him he's a rapist! He went into the bathroom with some drunk college girl trying to get laid? I better pretend I'd have never done such a thing as a young man or my wife may get mad at me...Could go on all day to describe these hypocritical fucks, but I digress.

I'll climb down from my soapbox. I just don't think he did it. That's just my honest take.



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Post by Steelperch » Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:13 am

The real story as told to me directly from a prominent former front office personnel.

Girl was drunk and talking sexual at the table, flirting with Ben and offered to blow him. This was overheard by her friends and Ben’s crew. He got security, his off duty cop friends, to watch the door and went in with her. The girl was so drunk she ended up throwing up on him. He pushed her away and left. This is also the reason the staff bleached the floor, to clean up the puke she left everywhere. When he and his crew suddenly left the bar, and her friends already knew she was being a drunken whore, she had whores remorse. The next day she cried rape, her friends told the truth.

She had no case, the whole thing was a nothing burger. But when you’re a 100 million dollar star QB you can’t put yourself, the team and the league in that spot. That’s why he got suspended. He never raped the girl never even had sex with her. Didn’t even get his blowjob he was promised. Ben was the victim of a lying puking whore.

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Post by 955876 » Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:50 am

That sounds about right.

I’m also willing to bet Ben doesn’t get into the HOF for quite some time.

There will be some bullshit narrative the haters in the media drum up.

Meanwhile, those same stooges are already enshrining mediocre Mike who’s NHALS.

He will get in first crack. Book it.
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Post by R_S » Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:34 am

CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:35 am
Let's just start off by saying that the HOF voters aren't supposed to use off the field conduct in their voting process, though we all know they do. Their personal biases and opinions of players matter a lot. It's why Belichick got the cold shoulder this year despite being a slam dunk first ballot no brainer. We are going to be revisiting all of this in a years time when Ben is rejected on his first go around.

I typed this up as a comment on another site to someone saying that Ben is responsible for how people view him in regards to being a rapist.
The only way Ben could have brought those opinions upon himself is if he actually did the deed and in which case he should be in a prison cell. But he wasn't even charged. People are always going to level those accusations but the funniest part to me is you'll see some guy laud Kobe Bryant out of one side of his mouth and then attack Ben as a rapist out of the other. Those people know who they are, too.

If we assume Ben did not do it (the first case shouldn't even be a question to me, but it's irrelevant here) either time for a moment, then no that particular accusation isn't really something he brought upon himself.

Being in general an arrogant jackass or a bore or however you describe it does not mean you open yourself up to accusations of rape.

Ponder this for a moment. Ben for whatever reason slept with a really crazy (and frankly unattractive) female while on vacation. An employee in some resort. She spends the next few months bragging about it and talking about moving to Pittsburgh to start a relationship with him while co-workers look at her in horror. All of this is basically documented. She feels spurned and somehow gets it into her head to file a lawsuit that as far as we know went nowhere. We don't even know if there was a settlement or if a single dime changed hands.

Skip ahead roughly a year to his misadventure in Milledgeville. He goes into the bathroom with a drunk girl trying to get laid who had been flirting and wearing a DTF sticker on her chest. His version of events is that she was too drunk to do much with and he left without much happening.

Her friends who were outside the bathroom in the area with everyone else see her stumble out or however that happened. They Google Ben and see the story on his first rape accusation. The lawsuit from the crazy broad in Lake Tahoe. They did Google Ben I'd wager because they gave the cops his exact height and weight from his player profile on NFL.com. Exactly the same.

The girl in the bathroom, very drunk, initially tells her friends she wasn't raped. They insist she talk to the police anyway. She being drunk goes along with their suggestion. She talks to the cops, is on video slurring her words. Initially tells them she wasn't raped before saying she kind of was.

Here it is from CNN:
According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "


There was no physical evidence proving intercourse had occurred that night. There was minute DNA evidence that was so small that they couldn't even match it to Ben.

The girl claims that when they had sex, Ben did not use a condom. Which is a pretty important detail. But again...the DNA evidence was so minute that they couldn't get any match.

It was the victim and her family who declined to even pursue the matter further, but even if they hadn't this almost certainly doesn't get any convictions. I doubt a DA would charge. Again, there's zero evidence money changed hands and as far as I can tell no one has ever talked to this girl again about what happened. Or at least she hasn't talked.

But then same grandstanding DA got on TV and mugged for the camera. That's another story.

I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, but I know no jury was going to convict even if this did get to court because she was that drunk, no physical evidence, and perhaps most importantly she contradicted herself and couldn't give the cops a clear answer as to anything that did happen until sobering up. And the physical evidence that did exist contradicted her story frankly.

The media already hated Ben by this point in his career. They weren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and there was never a truly honest accounting of the evidence against him.

There was more evidence against Kobe than there was Ben. As far as we can tell, Ben didn't even have a consensual sexual encounter.
It basically sums the case up in a way you'll never get from the media. It's all factual. It's easy to verify what I'm saying. Most of the people who throw this accusation out against Ben don't know much beyond he was suspended and hung out to dry by that prick Art II, Goodell, and the grandstanding DA who frankly had no business making those remarks in a case where the evidence indicated that she probably didn't even have sex with Ben let alone get raped.

I don't care about Ben's honor. I don't care if morons want to level the accusation against him. Doesn't bother me any. Athletes, sports, the Steelers are just entertainment. On a personal level, if Ben was guilty, he should have gone to jail obviously. This to me isn't even a case of not enough evidence or just he said she said. The evidence we have backs up Ben's version of events more than it doesn't.

It was kind of a fluky set of circumstances and I think many guys who have been to bars and clubbing can relate to some elements of it regardless of whether they are a famous athlete or anything of the sort. The jealous and cock blocking friends to start with who were the ones who pushed the girl to go to the police and make the accusation to begin with.

I genuinely do not believe Roethlisberger was guilty of this and the first case was so absurd that it doesn't even deserve mentioning. But it's an example of perception becoming the reality. People can say there were technically two rape accusations against him regardless of the evidence in either and one being completely laughable on its face.

I'm not going to single-handedly change anything about this, but I felt like Ben got railroaded at the time. I had personally been seemingly the only person railing against Goodell and his personal conduct bullshit since 2007 when it started with Chris Henry. And it was kind of funny at the time to see it applied to Ben and the Steelers.

He was railroaded throughout the entire process. Two sanctimonious pricks in Goodell and the DA used it to advance their agenda and career respectively. The media just wanted a story and hated Ben for how he acted towards them so fuck him. And then there was Art II who didn't care about what happened and just didn't want the headlines getting him sour looks at the cocktail parties or a fan revolt.

Ben doesn't have to be a great guy in my version of reality. He doesn't have to behave like I would have or like to think I would have. He may have been a drunk, a louse, or any number of other things. But there is dick all for evidence that he raped anyone. So many people worry more about perception than truth. They don't want to defend Ben because the general consensus among the media, backed by ambitious and unscrupulous power figures, and the general public was two accusations makes him auto-guilty. His behavior then just made it even easier. The guy doesn't tip and talks trash during pick-up basketball games? Fuck him he's a rapist! He went into the bathroom with some drunk college girl trying to get laid? I better pretend I'd have never done such a thing as a young man or my wife may get mad at me...Could go on all day to describe these hypocritical fucks, but I digress.

I'll climb down from my soapbox. I just don't think he did it. That's just my honest take.
I had to stop and comment after reading that voters used off the field issues to give BB the cold shoulder.

Can we really say that a cheating scandal was off the field behaviors if it directly affected wins and losses? BB fucking someone his granddaughters age would be off the field. Sorry. Have to defend the voters there.

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Post by langer » Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:49 am

Looking at this list there aren't many guys in there who had the entire scumsucking media going after them.

Charles Haley? Irvin? Ray Lewis?

Did Father Peter King, the pious scribe, go after them? Probably voted for them in between sips of coffee,.

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Post by Deebo » Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm

R_S wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:34 am
CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:35 am
Let's just start off by saying that the HOF voters aren't supposed to use off the field conduct in their voting process, though we all know they do. Their personal biases and opinions of players matter a lot. It's why Belichick got the cold shoulder this year despite being a slam dunk first ballot no brainer. We are going to be revisiting all of this in a years time when Ben is rejected on his first go around.

I typed this up as a comment on another site to someone saying that Ben is responsible for how people view him in regards to being a rapist.
The only way Ben could have brought those opinions upon himself is if he actually did the deed and in which case he should be in a prison cell. But he wasn't even charged. People are always going to level those accusations but the funniest part to me is you'll see some guy laud Kobe Bryant out of one side of his mouth and then attack Ben as a rapist out of the other. Those people know who they are, too.

If we assume Ben did not do it (the first case shouldn't even be a question to me, but it's irrelevant here) either time for a moment, then no that particular accusation isn't really something he brought upon himself.

Being in general an arrogant jackass or a bore or however you describe it does not mean you open yourself up to accusations of rape.

Ponder this for a moment. Ben for whatever reason slept with a really crazy (and frankly unattractive) female while on vacation. An employee in some resort. She spends the next few months bragging about it and talking about moving to Pittsburgh to start a relationship with him while co-workers look at her in horror. All of this is basically documented. She feels spurned and somehow gets it into her head to file a lawsuit that as far as we know went nowhere. We don't even know if there was a settlement or if a single dime changed hands.

Skip ahead roughly a year to his misadventure in Milledgeville. He goes into the bathroom with a drunk girl trying to get laid who had been flirting and wearing a DTF sticker on her chest. His version of events is that she was too drunk to do much with and he left without much happening.

Her friends who were outside the bathroom in the area with everyone else see her stumble out or however that happened. They Google Ben and see the story on his first rape accusation. The lawsuit from the crazy broad in Lake Tahoe. They did Google Ben I'd wager because they gave the cops his exact height and weight from his player profile on NFL.com. Exactly the same.

The girl in the bathroom, very drunk, initially tells her friends she wasn't raped. They insist she talk to the police anyway. She being drunk goes along with their suggestion. She talks to the cops, is on video slurring her words. Initially tells them she wasn't raped before saying she kind of was.

Here it is from CNN:
According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "


There was no physical evidence proving intercourse had occurred that night. There was minute DNA evidence that was so small that they couldn't even match it to Ben.

The girl claims that when they had sex, Ben did not use a condom. Which is a pretty important detail. But again...the DNA evidence was so minute that they couldn't get any match.

It was the victim and her family who declined to even pursue the matter further, but even if they hadn't this almost certainly doesn't get any convictions. I doubt a DA would charge. Again, there's zero evidence money changed hands and as far as I can tell no one has ever talked to this girl again about what happened. Or at least she hasn't talked.

But then same grandstanding DA got on TV and mugged for the camera. That's another story.

I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, but I know no jury was going to convict even if this did get to court because she was that drunk, no physical evidence, and perhaps most importantly she contradicted herself and couldn't give the cops a clear answer as to anything that did happen until sobering up. And the physical evidence that did exist contradicted her story frankly.

The media already hated Ben by this point in his career. They weren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and there was never a truly honest accounting of the evidence against him.

There was more evidence against Kobe than there was Ben. As far as we can tell, Ben didn't even have a consensual sexual encounter.
It basically sums the case up in a way you'll never get from the media. It's all factual. It's easy to verify what I'm saying. Most of the people who throw this accusation out against Ben don't know much beyond he was suspended and hung out to dry by that prick Art II, Goodell, and the grandstanding DA who frankly had no business making those remarks in a case where the evidence indicated that she probably didn't even have sex with Ben let alone get raped.

I don't care about Ben's honor. I don't care if morons want to level the accusation against him. Doesn't bother me any. Athletes, sports, the Steelers are just entertainment. On a personal level, if Ben was guilty, he should have gone to jail obviously. This to me isn't even a case of not enough evidence or just he said she said. The evidence we have backs up Ben's version of events more than it doesn't.

It was kind of a fluky set of circumstances and I think many guys who have been to bars and clubbing can relate to some elements of it regardless of whether they are a famous athlete or anything of the sort. The jealous and cock blocking friends to start with who were the ones who pushed the girl to go to the police and make the accusation to begin with.

I genuinely do not believe Roethlisberger was guilty of this and the first case was so absurd that it doesn't even deserve mentioning. But it's an example of perception becoming the reality. People can say there were technically two rape accusations against him regardless of the evidence in either and one being completely laughable on its face.

I'm not going to single-handedly change anything about this, but I felt like Ben got railroaded at the time. I had personally been seemingly the only person railing against Goodell and his personal conduct bullshit since 2007 when it started with Chris Henry. And it was kind of funny at the time to see it applied to Ben and the Steelers.

He was railroaded throughout the entire process. Two sanctimonious pricks in Goodell and the DA used it to advance their agenda and career respectively. The media just wanted a story and hated Ben for how he acted towards them so fuck him. And then there was Art II who didn't care about what happened and just didn't want the headlines getting him sour looks at the cocktail parties or a fan revolt.

Ben doesn't have to be a great guy in my version of reality. He doesn't have to behave like I would have or like to think I would have. He may have been a drunk, a louse, or any number of other things. But there is dick all for evidence that he raped anyone. So many people worry more about perception than truth. They don't want to defend Ben because the general consensus among the media, backed by ambitious and unscrupulous power figures, and the general public was two accusations makes him auto-guilty. His behavior then just made it even easier. The guy doesn't tip and talks trash during pick-up basketball games? Fuck him he's a rapist! He went into the bathroom with some drunk college girl trying to get laid? I better pretend I'd have never done such a thing as a young man or my wife may get mad at me...Could go on all day to describe these hypocritical fucks, but I digress.

I'll climb down from my soapbox. I just don't think he did it. That's just my honest take.
I had to stop and comment after reading that voters used off the field issues to give BB the cold shoulder.

Can we really say that a cheating scandal was off the field behaviors if it directly affected wins and losses? BB fucking someone his granddaughters age would be off the field. Sorry. Have to defend the voters there.
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.

People might want to paint them as the same, but they are entirely different.

But the point remains: Ben won't get 1st ballot and it's a fuckin travesty.

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Post by swissvale72 » Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:53 pm

R_S wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:34 am
CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:35 am
Let's just start off by saying that the HOF voters aren't supposed to use off the field conduct in their voting process, though we all know they do. Their personal biases and opinions of players matter a lot. It's why Belichick got the cold shoulder this year despite being a slam dunk first ballot no brainer. We are going to be revisiting all of this in a years time when Ben is rejected on his first go around.

I typed this up as a comment on another site to someone saying that Ben is responsible for how people view him in regards to being a rapist.
The only way Ben could have brought those opinions upon himself is if he actually did the deed and in which case he should be in a prison cell. But he wasn't even charged. People are always going to level those accusations but the funniest part to me is you'll see some guy laud Kobe Bryant out of one side of his mouth and then attack Ben as a rapist out of the other. Those people know who they are, too.

If we assume Ben did not do it (the first case shouldn't even be a question to me, but it's irrelevant here) either time for a moment, then no that particular accusation isn't really something he brought upon himself.

Being in general an arrogant jackass or a bore or however you describe it does not mean you open yourself up to accusations of rape.

Ponder this for a moment. Ben for whatever reason slept with a really crazy (and frankly unattractive) female while on vacation. An employee in some resort. She spends the next few months bragging about it and talking about moving to Pittsburgh to start a relationship with him while co-workers look at her in horror. All of this is basically documented. She feels spurned and somehow gets it into her head to file a lawsuit that as far as we know went nowhere. We don't even know if there was a settlement or if a single dime changed hands.

Skip ahead roughly a year to his misadventure in Milledgeville. He goes into the bathroom with a drunk girl trying to get laid who had been flirting and wearing a DTF sticker on her chest. His version of events is that she was too drunk to do much with and he left without much happening.

Her friends who were outside the bathroom in the area with everyone else see her stumble out or however that happened. They Google Ben and see the story on his first rape accusation. The lawsuit from the crazy broad in Lake Tahoe. They did Google Ben I'd wager because they gave the cops his exact height and weight from his player profile on NFL.com. Exactly the same.

The girl in the bathroom, very drunk, initially tells her friends she wasn't raped. They insist she talk to the police anyway. She being drunk goes along with their suggestion. She talks to the cops, is on video slurring her words. Initially tells them she wasn't raped before saying she kind of was.

Here it is from CNN:
According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "


There was no physical evidence proving intercourse had occurred that night. There was minute DNA evidence that was so small that they couldn't even match it to Ben.

The girl claims that when they had sex, Ben did not use a condom. Which is a pretty important detail. But again...the DNA evidence was so minute that they couldn't get any match.

It was the victim and her family who declined to even pursue the matter further, but even if they hadn't this almost certainly doesn't get any convictions. I doubt a DA would charge. Again, there's zero evidence money changed hands and as far as I can tell no one has ever talked to this girl again about what happened. Or at least she hasn't talked.

But then same grandstanding DA got on TV and mugged for the camera. That's another story.

I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, but I know no jury was going to convict even if this did get to court because she was that drunk, no physical evidence, and perhaps most importantly she contradicted herself and couldn't give the cops a clear answer as to anything that did happen until sobering up. And the physical evidence that did exist contradicted her story frankly.

The media already hated Ben by this point in his career. They weren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and there was never a truly honest accounting of the evidence against him.

There was more evidence against Kobe than there was Ben. As far as we can tell, Ben didn't even have a consensual sexual encounter.
It basically sums the case up in a way you'll never get from the media. It's all factual. It's easy to verify what I'm saying. Most of the people who throw this accusation out against Ben don't know much beyond he was suspended and hung out to dry by that prick Art II, Goodell, and the grandstanding DA who frankly had no business making those remarks in a case where the evidence indicated that she probably didn't even have sex with Ben let alone get raped.

I don't care about Ben's honor. I don't care if morons want to level the accusation against him. Doesn't bother me any. Athletes, sports, the Steelers are just entertainment. On a personal level, if Ben was guilty, he should have gone to jail obviously. This to me isn't even a case of not enough evidence or just he said she said. The evidence we have backs up Ben's version of events more than it doesn't.

It was kind of a fluky set of circumstances and I think many guys who have been to bars and clubbing can relate to some elements of it regardless of whether they are a famous athlete or anything of the sort. The jealous and cock blocking friends to start with who were the ones who pushed the girl to go to the police and make the accusation to begin with.

I genuinely do not believe Roethlisberger was guilty of this and the first case was so absurd that it doesn't even deserve mentioning. But it's an example of perception becoming the reality. People can say there were technically two rape accusations against him regardless of the evidence in either and one being completely laughable on its face.

I'm not going to single-handedly change anything about this, but I felt like Ben got railroaded at the time. I had personally been seemingly the only person railing against Goodell and his personal conduct bullshit since 2007 when it started with Chris Henry. And it was kind of funny at the time to see it applied to Ben and the Steelers.

He was railroaded throughout the entire process. Two sanctimonious pricks in Goodell and the DA used it to advance their agenda and career respectively. The media just wanted a story and hated Ben for how he acted towards them so fuck him. And then there was Art II who didn't care about what happened and just didn't want the headlines getting him sour looks at the cocktail parties or a fan revolt.

Ben doesn't have to be a great guy in my version of reality. He doesn't have to behave like I would have or like to think I would have. He may have been a drunk, a louse, or any number of other things. But there is dick all for evidence that he raped anyone. So many people worry more about perception than truth. They don't want to defend Ben because the general consensus among the media, backed by ambitious and unscrupulous power figures, and the general public was two accusations makes him auto-guilty. His behavior then just made it even easier. The guy doesn't tip and talks trash during pick-up basketball games? Fuck him he's a rapist! He went into the bathroom with some drunk college girl trying to get laid? I better pretend I'd have never done such a thing as a young man or my wife may get mad at me...Could go on all day to describe these hypocritical fucks, but I digress.

I'll climb down from my soapbox. I just don't think he did it. That's just my honest take.
I had to stop and comment after reading that voters used off the field issues to give BB the cold shoulder.

Can we really say that a cheating scandal was off the field behaviors if it directly affected wins and losses? BB fucking someone his granddaughters age would be off the field. Sorry. Have to defend the voters there.
This is exactly my response to the locals here New England. Off field my ass!! And the cheating started long before he was sanctioned for it

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Post by swissvale72 » Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:14 pm

I called in Boston sports radio at the time, Michael Holly, and Dale Arnold, and review the details of the bullshit allegations until they cut me off for being too detailed. Per my memory, this girl alleged that Ben had fucked her as she sat on the toilet, pulling his dick out the top of his pants without unbuckling unzipping. I pointed out how this was likely physically impossible for a guy of Ben's height. It was too much for the hosts to hear.

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I had to stop and comment after reading that voters used off the field issues to give BB the cold shoulder.

Can we really say that a cheating scandal was off the field behaviors if it directly affected wins and losses? BB fucking someone his granddaughters age would be off the field. Sorry. Have to defend the voters there.
BB issue had more to do with him and Kraft being voted in the the slot for the older players rather than the current eligible players. My reading was it was more of a protest vote that they could not vote for LC or Craig if they voted for BB and Kraft. Move those 2 into the eligible player slots and it gets different.

Ben should get in on the 1st ballet. If he does not it will be at least 2 years before he has another shot. Brady is the only QB going in the HOF in 2 years.
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Post by Mick » Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:45 pm

I don’t think there was ever any real dispute about the events in either case, some generally legal sleaziness.

Mostly at this point (in 2025) it seems hard to imagine the 2010 world when relations between consenting unmarried adults could have been viewed as ‘scandalous’ to any degree.

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Post by CKSteeler » Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:47 pm

swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 1:14 pm
I called in Boston sports radio at the time, Michael Holly, and Dale Arnold, and review the details of the bullshit allegations until they cut me off for being too detailed. Per my memory, this girl alleged that Ben had fucked her as she sat on the toilet, pulling his dick out the top of his pants without unbuckling unzipping. I pointed out how this was likely physically impossible for a guy of Ben's height. It was too much for the hosts to hear.
This is why I created this thread here. For better or worse this place allows a lot more to be said than most sites. You are kind of in a catch-22 on a lot of places talking about it because it requires some level of graphic, uncomfortable material to be discussed and it's not strictly football related. Which will get it killed right off the bat, yet the asshats running around calling him a rapist tend to get a pass.

Most people really don't know what the fuck happened. These people said he was guilty and that's good enough for most of them. But none of what this girls aid would have stood up in court, her family likely talked some sense into her, and that's why the entire matter was dropped entirely on her end. For the DA's part, he was just looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

EDIT: And then there's Goodell. A real narrative at this point in time that is now memoryholed is that his personal conduct bullshit was racist. He had only punished black players (because they were the idiots who were getting in trouble). Then Ben came rolling in and you had a bunch of talking heads crying for blood from the white franchise QB (who they already hated anyway). Goodell was going to make an example out of Ben the moment that story broke.

Art II is just a fucking coward.

I've always found the notion of strict rules on internet forums pretty pathetic and indicative of how petty most people are myself.
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Post by CKSteeler » Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm

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Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.
I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.

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Post by gojira5150 » Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:08 pm

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Let's just start off by saying that the HOF voters aren't supposed to use off the field conduct in their voting process, though we all know they do. Their personal biases and opinions of players matter a lot. It's why Belichick got the cold shoulder this year despite being a slam dunk first ballot no brainer. We are going to be revisiting all of this in a years time when Ben is rejected on his first go around.

I typed this up as a comment on another site to someone saying that Ben is responsible for how people view him in regards to being a rapist.
The only way Ben could have brought those opinions upon himself is if he actually did the deed and in which case he should be in a prison cell. But he wasn't even charged. People are always going to level those accusations but the funniest part to me is you'll see some guy laud Kobe Bryant out of one side of his mouth and then attack Ben as a rapist out of the other. Those people know who they are, too.

If we assume Ben did not do it (the first case shouldn't even be a question to me, but it's irrelevant here) either time for a moment, then no that particular accusation isn't really something he brought upon himself.

Being in general an arrogant jackass or a bore or however you describe it does not mean you open yourself up to accusations of rape.

Ponder this for a moment. Ben for whatever reason slept with a really crazy (and frankly unattractive) female while on vacation. An employee in some resort. She spends the next few months bragging about it and talking about moving to Pittsburgh to start a relationship with him while co-workers look at her in horror. All of this is basically documented. She feels spurned and somehow gets it into her head to file a lawsuit that as far as we know went nowhere. We don't even know if there was a settlement or if a single dime changed hands.

Skip ahead roughly a year to his misadventure in Milledgeville. He goes into the bathroom with a drunk girl trying to get laid who had been flirting and wearing a DTF sticker on her chest. His version of events is that she was too drunk to do much with and he left without much happening.

Her friends who were outside the bathroom in the area with everyone else see her stumble out or however that happened. They Google Ben and see the story on his first rape accusation. The lawsuit from the crazy broad in Lake Tahoe. They did Google Ben I'd wager because they gave the cops his exact height and weight from his player profile on NFL.com. Exactly the same.

The girl in the bathroom, very drunk, initially tells her friends she wasn't raped. They insist she talk to the police anyway. She being drunk goes along with their suggestion. She talks to the cops, is on video slurring her words. Initially tells them she wasn't raped before saying she kind of was.

Here it is from CNN:
According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "


There was no physical evidence proving intercourse had occurred that night. There was minute DNA evidence that was so small that they couldn't even match it to Ben.

The girl claims that when they had sex, Ben did not use a condom. Which is a pretty important detail. But again...the DNA evidence was so minute that they couldn't get any match.

It was the victim and her family who declined to even pursue the matter further, but even if they hadn't this almost certainly doesn't get any convictions. I doubt a DA would charge. Again, there's zero evidence money changed hands and as far as I can tell no one has ever talked to this girl again about what happened. Or at least she hasn't talked.

But then same grandstanding DA got on TV and mugged for the camera. That's another story.

I wasn't there and I don't know what happened, but I know no jury was going to convict even if this did get to court because she was that drunk, no physical evidence, and perhaps most importantly she contradicted herself and couldn't give the cops a clear answer as to anything that did happen until sobering up. And the physical evidence that did exist contradicted her story frankly.

The media already hated Ben by this point in his career. They weren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and there was never a truly honest accounting of the evidence against him.

There was more evidence against Kobe than there was Ben. As far as we can tell, Ben didn't even have a consensual sexual encounter.
It basically sums the case up in a way you'll never get from the media. It's all factual. It's easy to verify what I'm saying. Most of the people who throw this accusation out against Ben don't know much beyond he was suspended and hung out to dry by that prick Art II, Goodell, and the grandstanding DA who frankly had no business making those remarks in a case where the evidence indicated that she probably didn't even have sex with Ben let alone get raped.

I don't care about Ben's honor. I don't care if morons want to level the accusation against him. Doesn't bother me any. Athletes, sports, the Steelers are just entertainment. On a personal level, if Ben was guilty, he should have gone to jail obviously. This to me isn't even a case of not enough evidence or just he said she said. The evidence we have backs up Ben's version of events more than it doesn't.

It was kind of a fluky set of circumstances and I think many guys who have been to bars and clubbing can relate to some elements of it regardless of whether they are a famous athlete or anything of the sort. The jealous and cock blocking friends to start with who were the ones who pushed the girl to go to the police and make the accusation to begin with.

I genuinely do not believe Roethlisberger was guilty of this and the first case was so absurd that it doesn't even deserve mentioning. But it's an example of perception becoming the reality. People can say there were technically two rape accusations against him regardless of the evidence in either and one being completely laughable on its face.

I'm not going to single-handedly change anything about this, but I felt like Ben got railroaded at the time. I had personally been seemingly the only person railing against Goodell and his personal conduct bullshit since 2007 when it started with Chris Henry. And it was kind of funny at the time to see it applied to Ben and the Steelers.

He was railroaded throughout the entire process. Two sanctimonious pricks in Goodell and the DA used it to advance their agenda and career respectively. The media just wanted a story and hated Ben for how he acted towards them so fuck him. And then there was Art II who didn't care about what happened and just didn't want the headlines getting him sour looks at the cocktail parties or a fan revolt.

Ben doesn't have to be a great guy in my version of reality. He doesn't have to behave like I would have or like to think I would have. He may have been a drunk, a louse, or any number of other things. But there is dick all for evidence that he raped anyone. So many people worry more about perception than truth. They don't want to defend Ben because the general consensus among the media, backed by ambitious and unscrupulous power figures, and the general public was two accusations makes him auto-guilty. His behavior then just made it even easier. The guy doesn't tip and talks trash during pick-up basketball games? Fuck him he's a rapist! He went into the bathroom with some drunk college girl trying to get laid? I better pretend I'd have never done such a thing as a young man or my wife may get mad at me...Could go on all day to describe these hypocritical fucks, but I digress.

I'll climb down from my soapbox. I just don't think he did it. That's just my honest take.
And yet Ray (The Knife) is not held to this standard. BSPN and NFL just buried what Ray (The Murderer) did. Unbelievable.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:12 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm
Deebo wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.
I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.
Yep. And that reality will come to light when Brady is elected first ballot.

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:25 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm
Deebo wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.
I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.
I believe you are wrong here.

Didn’t Bill Polian announce or forget he announced Bill should wait because he cheated while the voters were together?

Spot on with your OP, of the two whores.

Ben put himself in a bad spot doesn’t equal he should have been falsely accused of anything, let alone rape.

Money grubbing and at least one of them is a crazy ho.

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Post by CKSteeler » Thu Feb 19, 2026 6:05 pm

Thrillsseeker wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:25 pm
CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm
Deebo wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.
I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.
I believe you are wrong here.

Didn’t Bill Polian announce or forget he announced Bill should wait because he cheated while the voters were together?

Spot on with your OP, of the two whores.

Ben put himself in a bad spot doesn’t equal he should have been falsely accused of anything, let alone rape.

Money grubbing and at least one of them is a crazy ho.
Bill Polian is the same guy who whined to the competition committee to change the rules for DB's after the 2004 playoff beat down at the hands of the Pats. He's just a tad biased. On top of the history between the Colts and Pats, he was the GM of the Bills team that came it's closest to winning one against the Giants. The defensive coordinator for that game was Belichick whose gameplan resides in the HOF, though as of yet not the coach who designed it.

Polian is a jealous fuck who can't stand he played second fiddle and lost out on rings (in his view) to sum things up.

Changing the rules for DB's also didn't really get the Colts a ring. They'd proceed to implode offensively the very next year to...the Steelers.

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Post by .Kodiak » Thu Feb 19, 2026 6:21 pm

And let's not forget, from DAY ONE #7 made the talking heads look stupid and foolish. So the talking heads dismissed what Ben was doing and made excuses, that they weren't wrong the team around him [that went 6-10 the year before] was just that good.

Then, more than somewhat understandably, Ben bristled and was a bit prickly about that lack of respect. And the FFPK - who doesn't even watch football - was offended because Ben wouldn't kiss the stank ring.

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Post by Deebo » Thu Feb 19, 2026 7:33 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm
Deebo wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 12:42 pm
You beat me to it.

It wasn't BB's "off field behavior" that got him iced. It was the fact that his cheating impacted the on field results.
I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.
Time will ultimately tell.

But I do not see these situations as equal, but the HOF committee may.

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:37 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 6:05 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:25 pm
CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:49 pm


I don't believe this at all. The voters like the fat fuck Peter King don't care about the integrity of the game. Will some of them hide behind that as justification for what they decide? Sure. But Belichick's disdain for the media over his time in New England is the real reason for their ire.
I believe you are wrong here.

Didn’t Bill Polian announce or forget he announced Bill should wait because he cheated while the voters were together?

Spot on with your OP, of the two whores.

Ben put himself in a bad spot doesn’t equal he should have been falsely accused of anything, let alone rape.

Money grubbing and at least one of them is a crazy ho.
Bill Polian is the same guy who whined to the competition committee to change the rules for DB's after the 2004 playoff beat down at the hands of the Pats. He's just a tad biased. On top of the history between the Colts and Pats, he was the GM of the Bills team that came it's closest to winning one against the Giants. The defensive coordinator for that game was Belichick whose gameplan resides in the HOF, though as of yet not the coach who designed it.

Polian is a jealous fuck who can't stand he played second fiddle and lost out on rings (in his view) to sum things up.

Changing the rules for DB's also didn't really get the Colts a ring. They'd proceed to implode offensively the very next year to...the Steelers.
Your not wrong but irrelevant when the comment was, “he should have to wait for cheating.”

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Post by CKSteeler » Fri Feb 20, 2026 12:58 am

Thrillsseeker wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:37 pm
CKSteeler wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 6:05 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Thu Feb 19, 2026 5:25 pm


I believe you are wrong here.

Didn’t Bill Polian announce or forget he announced Bill should wait because he cheated while the voters were together?

Spot on with your OP, of the two whores.

Ben put himself in a bad spot doesn’t equal he should have been falsely accused of anything, let alone rape.

Money grubbing and at least one of them is a crazy ho.
Bill Polian is the same guy who whined to the competition committee to change the rules for DB's after the 2004 playoff beat down at the hands of the Pats. He's just a tad biased. On top of the history between the Colts and Pats, he was the GM of the Bills team that came it's closest to winning one against the Giants. The defensive coordinator for that game was Belichick whose gameplan resides in the HOF, though as of yet not the coach who designed it.

Polian is a jealous fuck who can't stand he played second fiddle and lost out on rings (in his view) to sum things up.

Changing the rules for DB's also didn't really get the Colts a ring. They'd proceed to implode offensively the very next year to...the Steelers.
Your not wrong but irrelevant when the comment was, “he should have to wait for cheating.”
Well, yes. I don't think Polian is just going to come out and say that Belichick should have to wait because he routinely destroyed the best rosters I ever put together as a GM. Same as media members. An influential GM and voter giving the greenlight to say no is what they needed. He provided the prretext and got the ball rolling. They weren't going to come out and say forget the cheating, he acted like a dick when I asked a stupid question of him inn 2013.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Feb 20, 2026 2:56 am

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Thu Feb 19, 2026 6:21 pm
And let's not forget, from DAY ONE #7 made the talking heads look stupid and foolish. So the talking heads dismissed what Ben was doing and made excuses, that they weren't wrong the team around him [that went 6-10 the year before] was just that good.

Then, more than somewhat understandably, Ben bristled and was a bit prickly about that lack of respect. And the FFPK - who doesn't even watch football - was offended because Ben wouldn't kiss the stank ring.
Ben was treated like shit from the get go. Prior to Ben, young QBs struggled. Ben came in and didn’t lose. So they had to explain it away as nothin and how awesome the team around him was.

Ya, that same team that went 6-10. Duh dipshits.

The complete lack of respect for what he was doing f rubbed him the wrong way (as it should) so he started getting pissy back with media.

Shit snowballed from there. They piled on and he became more of a dick to them.

Then Tahoe.

Then Milledgeville.

Didn’t help that the coward Dunce Rooney hung him out to dry.

Ben might never get into the HOF. He will be the modern day Jim Plunkett. Won two SBs, won’t sniff the HOF.

I’m almost certain of this.

Hopefully I’m wrong because he deserves it.

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Post by tbsteel » Fri Feb 20, 2026 3:03 am

Is the offseason over yet?
*roots for losses*

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Post by 955876 » Fri Feb 20, 2026 2:29 pm

tbsteel wrote:
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Is the offseason over yet?
It’s always the offseason for this mediocre underachieving team.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Feb 20, 2026 6:14 pm

She was “DTF”

End of story

As in Stripes, “Convicted? No.”

“Never convicted.”

He makes it into HOF on try #2

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Post by MJG75 » Fri Feb 20, 2026 7:19 pm

To paraphrase Vincent Laguardia Gambini: Everything about this is complete bullshit.

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Post by lifelongsteel » Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:27 pm

This will hurt Ben in the near term. Not as much as the perception that he's a clear step below Brees as a player. Which has always been fascinating to me.

TBH I don't really care about Ben's getting in on the first ballot. Or if he gets in at all.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:53 pm

I’ll be pissed if a Jibba Jabber gets in and Ben doesn’t.

Jibbs is nothing without Ben bailing his ass out time and time again.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Feb 20, 2026 10:05 pm

MJG75 wrote:
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To paraphrase Vincent Laguardia Gambini: Everything about this is complete bullshit.
Two what? Did you say Utes?

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Post by 955876 » Fri Feb 20, 2026 11:47 pm

Great movie.

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Post by .Kodiak » Sat Feb 21, 2026 7:54 pm

And LOL completely memory-holed the talk at the time about how the NFL "had to show it treats white QBs the same as everyone else"

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