Caleb Johnson is now Milton with the Red Stapler

[NCsteelerSU]

cj got buried in the basement just like Milt

[Gonzo]

looking back the player/personnel decisions, development and usage (especially last 3-5 years) has been horrible bordering on gross negligence
its almost as of coaching staff and management had no idea what they are doing

[franco32]

looking back the player/personnel decisions, development and usage (especially last 3-5 years) has been horrible bordering on gross negligence
its almost as of coaching staff and management had no idea what they are doing

It looks like they were operating on gut rather than analytical rigor.

[langer]

looking back the player/personnel decisions, development and usage (especially last 3-5 years) has been horrible bordering on gross negligence
its almost as of coaching staff and management had no idea what they are doing

I would remove that "almost" from the above sentence.

And 3-5 years is more like 10-12 or longer.

An objective look at Coach Mike's tenure won't be done by the brilliant geniuses in the NFL professional media.

My gut feeling is that Fat Mike will have the team running like a well-coached unit, or even a moderately well-coached unit. I'm hoping I'm right.

The floor was set pretty goddam low with the last regime.

[RemoAZ]

This kid may not pan out. Jones and Wilson might never make it but I'm going to wait until they get at least a full camp with different coaching and schemes. We've seen it too many times. They made "position flexibility" their main focus to the point if they drafted someone that didn't display it, they'd force him to play a new spot where they didn't look good at all. Let's see if these guys can shake the Tomlin stink off before counting them out. Coaching matters.

[cop1211]

Look at the ILB’s they have let go like Roberts and Spillane (Pro Bowler) and replaced them with bums like Queen

[Ice]

Has Johnson got a fair shot? I don’t think so, Tomlin as usual stupidly put a 225 pound RB as a returner, and after the fumble never let him out of the dog house.

I’ll reserve from calling him a bust until he actually gets a chance, same for Wilson.

Of the many things I'll be able to laugh at about the Tomlin regime once time passes, his only occaisionally restrained urge to have slow running backs (whether through age or fatback-ness) as returners will certainly be one. What a weird fetish for a HC to have.

Tomlin’s infatuation with plodder running backs was only surpassed by his insistence upon having a sub 5’7”, 175lb player in the roster

So, significantly less chance of us picking up Des Reid late Day Three, then?

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Note that Roman Wilson is essentially a Cignetti type pick.

What would that coach have done with a proven big play winner the last two years?

[Rod & Wire Mill]

I can't figure out Johnson. He looked GREAT on film at Iowa. He was explosive. He hit the hole hard. He had nice juice.

Last year...he looked like he had NO JUICE AT ALL. I have no clue what happened to the kid.

Met the vaunted leader of men.

[anpsteel]

Of the many things I'll be able to laugh at about the Tomlin regime once time passes, his only occaisionally restrained urge to have slow running backs (whether through age or fatback-ness) as returners will certainly be one. What a weird fetish for a HC to have.

Tomlin’s infatuation with plodder running backs was only surpassed by his insistence upon having a sub 5’7”, 175lb player in the roster

So, significantly less chance of us picking up Des Reid late Day Three, then?

I think Reed is a little too big to fit that profile

That being said if Tomlin were still here, there’s probably an 80% chance they draft him. lol


Also to clarify

I am of the opinion to have any chance to make an NFL roster, if you’re short, you can’t also be skinny

Jalen Warren is short but fairly bulky

Plexico Burris was skinny, but pretty tall


Short and skinny is a recipe for, completely ineffective

[Ice]

Tomlin’s infatuation with plodder running backs was only surpassed by his insistence upon having a sub 5’7”, 175lb player in the roster

So, significantly less chance of us picking up Des Reid late Day Three, then?

I think Reed is a little too big to fit that profile

That being said if Tomlin were still here, there’s probably an 80% chance they draft him. lol


Also to clarify

I love the opinion to have any chance to make an NFL roster, if you’re short, you can’t also be skinny

Jalen Warren is short but fairly bulky

Plexico Burris was skinny, but pretty tall


Short and skinny is a recipe for, completely ineffective

I guess as exactly 5'7" 175, he isn't quite sub 5'7" 175.

[Gonzo]

looking back the player/personnel decisions, development and usage (especially last 3-5 years) has been horrible bordering on gross negligence
its almost as of coaching staff and management had no idea what they are doing

I would remove that "almost" from the above sentence.

And 3-5 years is more like 10-12 or longer.

An objective look at Coach Mike's tenure won't be done by the brilliant geniuses in the NFL professional media.

My gut feeling is that Fat Mike will have the team running like a well-coached unit, or even a moderately well-coached unit. I'm hoping I'm right.

The floor was set pretty goddam low with the last regime.

considering the current state of this team/roster
I am less concerned about well oiled machines and more about Fat Mikes ability to draft and sign and develop.
The core failing of the Steelers in recent history - aside from the childish O and D schemes - has been poor drafting and dumb FA signings in service of sustained mediocrity and lazy leadership.
So seeing how they draft and develop is not only good for the. obvious reasons but also to see if we are going to purge this team of the stink of intentional mediocrity and cashflow captains.
Is Fat Mike a New Mike or just Old MIke with an offense background

[955876]

Will be real nice if Roma Wilson and Caleb Johnson actually show they can be competent players in the offense.

[franco32]

Will be real nice if Roma Wilson and Caleb Johnson actually show they can be competent players in the offense.

It might help if we ask them to do things they are good at. Perhaps instead of asking Roman Wilson to block or get past physical jams, we should put him in motion and get him on the move to attack space and do what he's good at?

[955876]

Jibba was master of square peg/round hole then blaming execution.

[Jizz Mop]

Kaleb

With a K

At least spell the bust’s name correctly

I get annoyed when I see Rodgers spelled ‘Rogers’

[955876]

Kaleb

With a K

At least spell the bust’s name correctly

I get annoyed when I see Rodgers spelled ‘Rogers’

Are you his mother?

[Jizz Mop]

Kaleb

With a K

At least spell the bust’s name correctly

I get annoyed when I see Rodgers spelled ‘Rogers’

Are you his mother?

I’m just a mop

[shellwagnerblount]

This kid may not pan out. Jones and Wilson might never make it but I'm going to wait until they get at least a full camp with different coaching and schemes. We've seen it too many times. They made "position flexibility" their main focus to the point if they drafted someone that didn't display it, they'd force him to play a new spot where they didn't look good at all. Let's see if these guys can shake the Tomlin stink off before counting them out. Coaching matters.

This times 1000x...I didn't trust the ex-regime on many levels and player development was a grey area where I THOUGHT they were bad actors but I'm just a guy on the internet with a Steelers addiction. So what do I know? I think when Munchak started making magic out of formerly underwhelming talent on the Oline that I started to doubt everything. Then the players leaving the team who suddenly seemed to be actual NFL players after all.

Anyway...I have a totally different mind set now that Tomlin is gone. Maybe we can actually play a guy in the position where he was actually drafted? what a concept. Maybe we will start attracting coaches who are innovative...our team under Tomlin fielded arguabley the worst coaching staffs in Post Noll Steeler history. Blech!

[Dan Smith--BYU]

This would be an appropriate time to point out that Devin Bush failed to develop with Tomlin but has had some success and a major revival with the Browns.

Failing with Tomlin does not mean you are a failure.

He just nabbed a 30m 3 year deal with the Bears.

[StillerDownSouth]

This would be an appropriate time to point out that Devin Bush failed to develop with Tomlin but has had some success and a major revival with the Browns.

Failing with Tomlin does not mean you are a failure.

He just nabbed a 30m 3 year deal with the Bears.

Yes he did, he had a pretty nice season last year.

[anpsteel]

So, significantly less chance of us picking up Des Reid late Day Three, then?

I think Reed is a little too big to fit that profile

That being said if Tomlin were still here, there’s probably an 80% chance they draft him. lol


Also to clarify

I love the opinion to have any chance to make an NFL roster, if you’re short, you can’t also be skinny

Jalen Warren is short but fairly bulky

Plexico Burris was skinny, but pretty tall


Short and skinny is a recipe for, completely ineffective

I guess as exactly 5'7" 175, he isn't quite sub 5'7" 175.

I have to stop doing voice to text

I don’t even know wtf that was supposed to say lol

[daikyu]

Devin Bush was on the rise until a pretty devastating injury. He never bounced back from that while on the team.

This would be an appropriate time to point out that Devin Bush failed to develop with Tomlin but has had some success and a major revival with the Browns.

Failing with Tomlin does not mean you are a failure.

He just nabbed a 30m 3 year deal with the Bears.

[anpsteel]

A couple key points and respect to Devin Bush

One he was a grabber in college (as opposed to being a striker)

He was a grabber with the Steelers

I did not see much of him with the Browns but I’m guessing he’s still a grabber

In a 34 base having your primary three down linebacker who is a grabber, is a recipe for disaster against the run


Cleveland runs a 43 base

That extra down lineman makes a world of difference if you’re linebackers are grabbers


One of this teams major deficiencies under Tomlin has been playing inside linebackers in a 34 that are really much better suited for 43 schemes

[Dan Smith--BYU]

in other words square peg in round hole but blame square peg for its shape

[.Kodiak]

in other words square peg in round hole but blame square peg for its shape

Devon Bush was an oval?