Steelers at Ravens Game Thread & Comments

[actionsteel1]

Amazing Ben just engineered a game winning 4th quarter drive to move to 5th all time in that stat while playing scared. Imagine if it wasn’t Halloween

Just updating random Roethlisberger career milestones;

Career Games Over 0.500 leaderboard:

Tom Brady 158
Peyton Manning 107
Ben Roethlisberger 80
Brett Favre 74
Joe Montana 70
John Elway 66
Aaron Rodgers 57
Terry Bradshaw 56
Roger Staubach 56
Drew Brees 54
Johnny Unitas 54
Dan Marino 54

What is even more amazing , at least to me is ---Did I correctly hear the announcer say that Ben had never received a vote for MVP.

[Kodiak]

What is even more amazing , at least to me is ---Did I correctly hear the announcer say that Ben had never received a vote for MVP.

I could be totally wrong, but I thought Ben finished as high as 3rd in MVP voting very early in his career.

[jeemie]

What is even more amazing , at least to me is ---Did I correctly hear the announcer say that Ben had never received a vote for MVP.

I could be totally wrong, but I thought Ben finished as high as 3rd in MVP voting very early in his career.

I thought so too and he had to get some votes when he finished tops in the league in passing a couple years ago.

Maybe they just meant to say he’s never won an MVP.

[tbsteel]

I don't believe he's ever gotten a vote for MVP. I mean, he's never even sniffed an All Pro team, so I doubt he's ever gotten an MVP vote.

He's never had the prolific numbers or consistency throughout a season you need to really be considered.

[jeemie]

I don't believe he's ever gotten a vote for MVP. I mean, he's never even sniffed an All Pro team, so I doubt he's ever gotten an MVP vote.

He's never had the prolific numbers or consistency throughout a season you need to really be considered.

You’re right and I was wrong. I went back and checked.

He has never gotten one vote for MVP.

My guess is his brittle relationship with the media didn’t help either.

[Havoc]

Great great RS win!!!!!!!

7-0 fun times!!!

Ben > Lamar Jackson

Mike Tomlin early season philosophy for the offense is to play it close to the vest. That's what we did early season unless forced out of it. We opened up the offense first half vs Titans in game 6.

We reverted to playing it close to the vest with the offensive game plan because Mike Tomlin thinks this is the way to beat the Ravens. Field conditions to start the game could have been a factor but I doubt it.

The Ravens defense is very physical, a hallmark of Harbaugh defense. You have to spread them out and making it a skills game which we did in the 2nd half.

I expect we continue what we started first half vs Titans going forward opening up the offense more in the first half of games.

Lamar Jackson is a RS gimmick unless he improves as a passer.

I was living in Atlanta when Vick was there. I remember some Falcons fans believing their offense was going to run thru the NFL to a Lombardi. I knew that wasn't going to happen for the Falcons and it's not going to happen for the Ravens.

QB > RB and it's not close. Pass first QB > run first QB.

Our defense stopped their would be go ahead drive with under 2 min to play. Don't get fooled into thinking this means we are going to do the same vs Mahomes if we end up with this matchup.

Let's make it 8-0!!!!

[Pabst]

Lamar ran the ball 16 times yesterday. He was sacked 4 times, and hit another 10 times. That's 30 QB hits for the Steelers yesterday.

1. I'm sure he's pretty sore this morning.
2. I don't care how tough he is, that is not sustainable.

[Havoc]

Lamar ran the ball 16 times yesterday. He was sacked 4 times, and hit another 10 times. That's 30 QB hits for the Steelers yesterday.

1. I'm sure he's pretty sore this morning.
2. I don't care how tough he is, that is not sustainable.

Dude is tough as nails, a gamer.

Agree, we put some hard hits on him.

[COR-TEN]

Lamar ran the ball 16 times yesterday. He was sacked 4 times, and hit another 10 times. That's 30 QB hits for the Steelers yesterday.

1. I'm sure he's pretty sore this morning.
2. I don't care how tough he is, that is not sustainable.

Dude is tough as nails, a gamer.

Agree, we put some hard hits on him.

He's not a natural passer. That is what will be his downfall as long as the rules remain the same.

Anybody else notice his shitty throwing mechanics?

[COR-TEN]

I have to say JuJu needs to stay. How about some recognition thrown his way?

He's had some great combat catches, getting first downs, protecting the ball.

I would release DJ before JuJu, as of yesterday. Not a popular opinion, I know.

His mentality is great for the team. His work ethic and his attitude all of it.

In replays I saw D johnson raise his hands on the third and long (9, I think?), as though he should have been the primary target.

BR ignored him and went with conner for a three or four yard gain.

SOmething about his attitude doesn't jive with me.

[Jizz Mop]

I have to say JuJu needs to stay. How about some recognition thrown his way?

He's had some great combat catches, getting first downs, protecting the ball.

I would release DJ before JuJu, as of yesterday. Not a popular opinion, I know.

His mentality is great for the team. His work ethic and his attitude all of it.

In replays I saw D johnson raise his hands on the third and long (9, I think?), as though he should have been the primary target.

BR ignored him and went with conner for a three or four yard gain.

SOmething about his attitude doesn't jive with me.

Saw this live and on the highlight reel this morning. Can’t do that. I’m torn. Part of me says “good he wants the ball in clutch situations” and part of me says “don’t try and argue with the call and QB’s decision on the field.”

The decision to throw to Conner on that play was horrible. It was a “give up” call on 3rd down. And an important play...we were deep in our own territory.

[COR-TEN]

Love the win, love the 7-0 start. Love the fact that the offense is opening up, albeit a bit late for my blood pressure.

But I see problems.

Anybody want to comment on Watt yelling at butler on the sidelines? WTF was that?

[COR-TEN]

I don't mind losing - I just wish it were competitive.

This is a shit show.

Offense blows, and the defense is sucking donkey dick.

can I take this back?

[Jobu]

Love the win, love the 7-0 start. Love the fact that the offense is opening up, albeit a bit late for my blood pressure.

But I see problems.

Anybody want to comment on Watt yelling at butler on the sidelines? WTF was that?

Those things sometimes happen. Coaches yell, players yell. Don’t make to much of it...

[Havoc]

What is even more amazing , at least to me is ---Did I correctly hear the announcer say that Ben had never received a vote for MVP.

I could be totally wrong, but I thought Ben finished as high as 3rd in MVP voting very early in his career.

I thought so too and he had to get some votes when he finished tops in the league in passing a couple years ago.

Maybe they just meant to say he’s never won an MVP.

Ben has never achieved the high's Bradshaw did sans Ben's legendary SB game winning drive. Brad was the toast of the league as was our offense late 70s. Brad league MVP + led the NFL in TD throws + QB of the #1 scoring offense in the league + QB of an offense that averaged over 30 PPG in back to back Lombardi winning post seasons.

I have been calling for years for Ben to lead our offense to the heights Bradshaw did. Hasn't happened. Tomlin football philosophy doesn't help.

8-8 last year, 7-0 this year. IMO Ben should receive some MVP consideration for the difference he has made in our record, he is the primary difference.

When we consistently open the offense in the first half of games which I expect we will do and which we started in the game vs Titans but reverted with Tomlin's love of coaching our matchups vs Ravens into attrition games and if we keep racking up wins we might see Ben's name thrown into the MVP hat.

[stillthere]

I have to say JuJu needs to stay. How about some recognition thrown his way?

He's had some great combat catches, getting first downs, protecting the ball.

I would release DJ before JuJu, as of yesterday. Not a popular opinion, I know.

His mentality is great for the team. His work ethic and his attitude all of it.

In replays I saw D johnson raise his hands on the third and long (9, I think?), as though he should have been the primary target.

BR ignored him and went with conner for a three or four yard gain.

SOmething about his attitude doesn't jive with me.

I was talking about JuJu.

[tbsteel]

I could be totally wrong, but I thought Ben finished as high as 3rd in MVP voting very early in his career.

I thought so too and he had to get some votes when he finished tops in the league in passing a couple years ago.

Maybe they just meant to say he’s never won an MVP.

Ben has never achieved the high's Bradshaw did sans Ben's legendary SB game winning drive. Brad was the toast of the league as was our offense late 70s. Brad league MVP + led the NFL in TD throws + QB of the #1 scoring offense in the league + QB of an offense that averaged over 30 PPG in back to back Lombardi winning post seasons.

I have been calling for years for Ben to lead our offense to the heights Bradshaw did. Hasn't happened. Tomlin football philosophy doesn't help.

8-8 last year, 7-0 this year. IMO Ben should receive some MVP consideration for the difference he has made in our record, he is the primary difference.

When we consistently open the offense in the first half of games which I expect we will do and which we started in the game vs Titans but reverted with Tomlin's love of coaching our matchups vs Ravens into attrition games and if we keep racking up wins we might see Ben's name thrown into the MVP hat.

Ben has never had the numbers to be seriously considered as an MVP. He only has 3 seasons with a QBR over 100 and 3 seasons over 30 TDs.

The best argument he had was back in 2014 when he lead the league in passing yardage with Brees with 32 TDs and 9 INTs and a 11-5 record. But Rodgers had a better record, more TDs, less INTs, and a higher YPA.

[bradshaw2ben]

That’s because stats and fantasy football values are the worst possible justification for voting for an MVP.

[steelmann58]

agreed

[W&M_Steeler]

I thought so too and he had to get some votes when he finished tops in the league in passing a couple years ago.

Maybe they just meant to say he’s never won an MVP.

Ben has never achieved the high's Bradshaw did sans Ben's legendary SB game winning drive. Brad was the toast of the league as was our offense late 70s. Brad league MVP + led the NFL in TD throws + QB of the #1 scoring offense in the league + QB of an offense that averaged over 30 PPG in back to back Lombardi winning post seasons.

I have been calling for years for Ben to lead our offense to the heights Bradshaw did. Hasn't happened. Tomlin football philosophy doesn't help.

8-8 last year, 7-0 this year. IMO Ben should receive some MVP consideration for the difference he has made in our record, he is the primary difference.

When we consistently open the offense in the first half of games which I expect we will do and which we started in the game vs Titans but reverted with Tomlin's love of coaching our matchups vs Ravens into attrition games and if we keep racking up wins we might see Ben's name thrown into the MVP hat.

Ben has never had the numbers to be seriously considered as an MVP. He only has 3 seasons with a QBR over 100 and 3 seasons over 30 TDs.

The best argument he had was back in 2014 when he lead the league in passing yardage with Brees with 32 TDs and 9 INTs and a 11-5 record. But Rodgers had a better record, more TDs, less INTs, and a higher YPA.

We'll hear the pundits regurgitate these facts when Ben's up for the Hall of Fame to try to justify keeping him out. One reason I hope the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year is to absolutely shut the door on any arguments against Ben's enshrinement.

[stillthere]

We'll hear the pundits regurgitate these facts when Ben's up for the Hall of Fame to try to justify keeping him out. One reason I hope the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year is to absolutely shut the door on any arguments against Ben's enshrinement.

Would be even more glorious to go 19-0 while doing so.

[stillthere]

JuJu attracting 3 players on Ebron TD. Two clear out routes by the top 2 WR's. Ebron is across the LB's face two steps into the break so worst case scenario is first and goal at around the 5 even if the LB chases him down from behind.

[Ice]

for me, the only ‘better than expected’ thing i’ve seen this year is the receivers, mostly because Claypool.

Ben was definitely a ‘wait and see’ whether he would be back to being ben or not, but i wouldn’t have put money on “washed up”.

I cant be the only one who spent all last season thinking “if this team had a legit QB (and maybe slightly improved receiving threats) they’d be almost unbeatable.”

I wish the Steelers had a bruiser like Dobbins to help shore-up the run game. Connor's good, but the depth behind him is a real weakness. Snell is a disappointment, MacFarland hasn't shown anything, and Samuels shouldn't be on an NFL roster.

Dobbins is going to be a star in the league.

Speaking of Snell...I didn’t see him in the game at all today. Did he play?

Can't say enough about how well Claypool has played, but man, did I ever want Dobbins to be a Steeler this April. Can't get em all, I guess.

[Jobu]

I wish the Steelers had a bruiser like Dobbins to help shore-up the run game. Connor's good, but the depth behind him is a real weakness. Snell is a disappointment, MacFarland hasn't shown anything, and Samuels shouldn't be on an NFL roster.

Dobbins is going to be a star in the league.

Speaking of Snell...I didn’t see him in the game at all today. Did he play?

Can't say enough about how well Claypool has played, but man, did I ever want Dobbins to be a Steeler this April. Can't get em all, I guess.

Yeah...I’m with ya on Dobbins, Ice.
And I wanted no part of Claypool...shows what the hell I know.

[tbsteel]

Ben has never achieved the high's Bradshaw did sans Ben's legendary SB game winning drive. Brad was the toast of the league as was our offense late 70s. Brad league MVP + led the NFL in TD throws + QB of the #1 scoring offense in the league + QB of an offense that averaged over 30 PPG in back to back Lombardi winning post seasons.

I have been calling for years for Ben to lead our offense to the heights Bradshaw did. Hasn't happened. Tomlin football philosophy doesn't help.

8-8 last year, 7-0 this year. IMO Ben should receive some MVP consideration for the difference he has made in our record, he is the primary difference.

When we consistently open the offense in the first half of games which I expect we will do and which we started in the game vs Titans but reverted with Tomlin's love of coaching our matchups vs Ravens into attrition games and if we keep racking up wins we might see Ben's name thrown into the MVP hat.

Ben has never had the numbers to be seriously considered as an MVP. He only has 3 seasons with a QBR over 100 and 3 seasons over 30 TDs.

The best argument he had was back in 2014 when he lead the league in passing yardage with Brees with 32 TDs and 9 INTs and a 11-5 record. But Rodgers had a better record, more TDs, less INTs, and a higher YPA.

We'll hear the pundits regurgitate these facts when Ben's up for the Hall of Fame to try to justify keeping him out. One reason I hope the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year is to absolutely shut the door on any arguments against Ben's enshrinement.

Nah, Ben's a first ballot HOFer without an All Pro or any MVP consideration, don't think that will be debatable. It's pretty damn hard and you have to have a pretty amazing season to get a MVP vote or make an All Pro team as a QB. No shame on missing those.

[Havoc]

No Ben, no Lombardi #6. No Ben, no Lombardi #7.

If we didn't have Ben back this year, we'd be looking at more .500 football and wasting a top defense again.

[W&M_Steeler]

Nah, Ben's a first ballot HOFer without an All Pro or any MVP consideration, don't think that will be debatable. It's pretty damn hard and you have to have a pretty amazing season to get a MVP vote or make an All Pro team as a QB. No shame on missing those.

I think he's a HOFer at this point, but not sure about 1st ballot. In a way, Ben, Eli, and Rivers might be played off of each other to delay all of their entries- Rivers has the best stats, but no Championship; Eli has the worst stats, but the most impressive post season runs with 2 Super Bowl MVPs; Ben has a little of each- better stats than Eli, more Championships than Rivers- but he's despised outside of (and to an extent inside of) Pittsburgh. Plus, all three are in the shadow of Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and Rodgers (and now arguably Wilson and Mahomes) as the second-tier QBs of their eras. None of the 3 have sniffed an MVP or made All-Pro. I heard some ESPN talking head the other day (I think Kornhesier) comment that he doesn't think Ben is a Hall of Famer, so the sentiment is there at least to some extent. I don't think Eli is a sure-fire first ballot HOFer, and if he's not, Ben and Rivers might also suffer. I think they'll get in, but they might have to wait a few years.

Still, it is somewhat shocking to realize that Ben has never received an MVP vote. Matt Ryan won an MVP, and I don't think he was as good as Ben at his peak.

According to https://mvpvoting.wordpress.com/2011-2018/:

Rivers received MVP votes in 2008, and some other surprising QBs have received MVP votes during Ben's time in the league: Carson Palmer (2 votes, 2005 AND 1 vote in 2015); Chad Pennington (4 votes, 2008- James Harrison also received 3 votes that year); Tony Romo (2 votes, 2014); Derek Carr (6 votes, 2016); Dak Prescott (1 vote, 2016); and Carson Wentz (2 votes, 2017)

It's hard to believe that Ben has never received an MVP vote when the likes of Cardinals-era Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, and Derek Carr have. That again speaks to the general level of antipathy against Ben, and it lends support that there might be some resistance to his HOF induction.

[El Kabong]

We'll hear the pundits regurgitate these facts when Ben's up for the Hall of Fame to try to justify keeping him out. One reason I hope the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year is to absolutely shut the door on any arguments against Ben's enshrinement.

Would be even more glorious to go 19-0 while doing so.

I don't believe we'll go undefeated in the regular season. One thing I would like, though, is for us to win a super bowl on the strength of Ben's arm so he gets a Super Bowl MVP on his resume.

[stillthere]

We'll hear the pundits regurgitate these facts when Ben's up for the Hall of Fame to try to justify keeping him out. One reason I hope the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year is to absolutely shut the door on any arguments against Ben's enshrinement.

Would be even more glorious to go 19-0 while doing so.

I don't believe we'll go undefeated in the regular season. One thing I would like, though, is for us to win a super bowl on the strength of Ben's arm so he gets a Super Bowl MVP on his resume.

I doubt they go undefeated in the regular season as well but it would be pretty damn nice to run the table.

[Ice]

Would be even more glorious to go 19-0 while doing so.

I don't believe we'll go undefeated in the regular season. One thing I would like, though, is for us to win a super bowl on the strength of Ben's arm so he gets a Super Bowl MVP on his resume.

I doubt they go undefeated in the regular season as well but it would be pretty damn nice to run the table.

I understand that Holmes made a helluva catch, but we won XLIII on the strength of Ben's arm. And James Harrison.