Week 15 Games

[Jobu]

I hate to say this, but the steelers cannot beat mahomes and the chiefs.

It looks like the steelers next SB is a decade away. And leveon will be getting a ring.

It really does look like Andy Reid is about two years ahead of where NFL defenses are at right now.

Having the best QB in the NFL at a $5 million cap hit certainly helps.

Good point.

[COR-TEN]

It really does look like Andy Reid is about two years ahead of where NFL defenses are at right now.

Having the best QB in the NFL at a $5 million cap hit certainly helps.

Good point.

Not to mention a once in a generation QB. Not just the best QB.

[Jobu]

I just turned the game on. Brees is 9 for 26. WTF?

And the Saints are 1 for 10 on 3rd down.

[Kodiak]

I don't know if Mahomes usually does this, but a lot of times when he's scrambling he will plant his foot and EVERY TIME the rusher overpursues.

Nice to have Dobbs who can at least imitate the mobility.

[El Kabong]

I just turned the game on. Brees is 9 for 26. WTF?

And the Saints are 1 for 10 on 3rd down.

Clearly Payton is a moron.

[COR-TEN]

Down ten and you go for a bomb on third and two? WTF?

[Kodiak]

Down ten and you go for a bomb on third and two? WTF?

NFL football - a lot of teams and QB's like to attack 1-on-1 on the outside on 3rd and short. Board apparently only notices when Ben does it.

[El Kabong]

BOOM! Touchdown!

[TTP]

Wow, not over yet.

[Obviously]

You're kidding, right?

The Packers got blown out by the Vikings earlier this year, and they needed to come from behind to beat Jacksonville.

The Chiefs struggled mightily in both Raiders games, needed OT to get past the Chargers, and they trailed at halftime to both Denver and Carolina.

Nope I don't kid about the Tomlin-era Steelers, and I'm not just talking about 2020.

Every game referenced above is from this season. The Chiefs struggled big time vs. Denver 2 weeks ago.

The fell behind Miami 10-0 early in last weeks game. As we would say around here, they were "easing into it".

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

[COR-TEN]

Down ten and you go for a bomb on third and two? WTF?

NFL football - a lot of teams and QB's like to attack 1-on-1 on the outside on 3rd and short. Board apparently only notices when Ben does it.

It ended in a TD, so whatever.

I know others do it, but really. I guess they have plays in their back pocket - unlike the steelers. . .

[TTP]

2 timeouts + 2 minute warning.

But, Mahomes.

Do you onsides kick or kick deep?

[El Kabong]

Nope I don't kid about the Tomlin-era Steelers, and I'm not just talking about 2020.

Every game referenced above is from this season. The Chiefs struggled big time vs. Denver 2 weeks ago.

The fell behind Miami 10-0 early in last weeks game. As we would say around here, they were "easing into it".

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

The point is the Steelers are not the only good team to have games like these.

[Jobu]

Down ten and you go for a bomb on third and two? WTF?

NFL football - a lot of teams and QB's like to attack 1-on-1 on the outside on 3rd and short. Board apparently only notices when Ben does it.

Rams, down 3 late and on the edge of FG range, threw deep on 3rd and 4 and 4th and 4.

[El Kabong]

2 timeouts + 2 minute warning.

But, Mahomes.

Do you onsides kick or keep deep?

I agree on kicking it deep. Can't give it to Mahomes at the 50 yard line.

[Kodiak]

I guess they have plays in their back pocket - unlike the steelers. . .

We have those plays, too. You'll just have to wait until the second quarter of the SB to see them.

[Pabst]

Nope I don't kid about the Tomlin-era Steelers, and I'm not just talking about 2020.

Every game referenced above is from this season. The Chiefs struggled big time vs. Denver 2 weeks ago.

The fell behind Miami 10-0 early in last weeks game. As we would say around here, they were "easing into it".

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

You: The Packers and Chiefs don't play down to their opponents

Me: Provides several examples of Chiefs and Packers playing down to sub par opponents

You: But Tomlin!

Me: Provides another example

You: Tomlin!


You can just acknowledge that KC and GB have also struggled and move on.

[Kodiak]

I agree on kicking it deep. Can't give it to Mahomes at the 50 yard line.

Doesn't matter when one first down wins the game. With the 2-min warning and 3 TO's, I probably try the onside kick.

[COR-TEN]

All I can say is that if anybody faces the chiefs, take out kelche. Hill. end of offense.

[Orangesteel]

All I can say is that if anybody faces the chiefs, take out kelche. Hill. end of offense.

Ok, good luck taking them out.

Do you mean with coverage, or Nancy Kerrigan style?

[Obviously]

Every game referenced above is from this season. The Chiefs struggled big time vs. Denver 2 weeks ago.

The fell behind Miami 10-0 early in last weeks game. As we would say around here, they were "easing into it".

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

The point is the Steelers are not the only good team to have games like these.

This year sure. Over the course of the last say 10 years?

[El Kabong]

All I can say is that if anybody faces the chiefs, take out kelche. Hill. end of offense.

So simple yet so difficult.

[Kodiak]

Ok, good luck taking them out.

Do you mean with coverage, or Nancy Kerrigan style?

Lev Bell gives Majomes covid

[COR-TEN]

Do you mean with coverage, or Nancy Kerrigan style?

I'll take whatever I can get. . .

[Orangesteel]

I hear you but it’s damn near impossible to take Kelce out of the game. He’s too fluid, too good a blocker and I don’t think there is a TE in the league that gets better release than him. But yeah, if he gets hurt or something, it’s a whole nother’ offense for sure. He’s the integral piece.

[Obviously]

Every game referenced above is from this season. The Chiefs struggled big time vs. Denver 2 weeks ago.

The fell behind Miami 10-0 early in last weeks game. As we would say around here, they were "easing into it".

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

You: The Packers and Chiefs don't play down to their opponents

Me: Provides several examples of Chiefs and Packers playing down to sub par opponents

You: But Tomlin!

Me: Provides another example

You: Tomlin!


You can just acknowledge that KC and GB have also struggled and move on.

Yeah that's how the conversation went.

I never said KC and GB didn't but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

I only care about the Steelers, and if you don't think the Steelers haven't been playing down to the level of subpar opponents over the course of the Tomlin era then you haven't been watching.

[El Kabong]

Well if you want to just talk about 2020, here you go:

Week 2 - Beat Denver led by Jeff Driskel by five at home.
Week 9 - Down by 10 to the Garrett Gilbert-led Cowboys after three quarters, and scored 15 in the final quarter to squeak by by five points.
Week 12 - Mightily struggled against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson and a bunch of other starters due to COVID protocol. Tenderfoot Trace McSorley with a late TD pass to Marquise Brown to make us all sweat.
Week 13 - Lost to the 4-7 team formerly known as the Redskins.

You: The Packers and Chiefs don't play down to their opponents

Me: Provides several examples of Chiefs and Packers playing down to sub par opponents

You: But Tomlin!

Me: Provides another example

You: Tomlin!


You can just acknowledge that KC and GB have also struggled and move on.

Yeah that's how the conversation went.

I never said KC and GB didn't but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

I only care about the Steelers, and if you don't think the Steelers haven't been playing down to the level of subpar opponents over the course of the Tomlin era then you haven't been watching.

My question is whether it happens to Tomlin significantly more than it happens to other good teams. To determine this, you would need to go back and study the last umpteen years and see what happened every time a good team played a bad team and get a percentage for how often the good team struggled or outright lost to the bad team vs how often it happens to Tomlin. Since I doubt you've done this research, I don't think you can say that Tomlin is worse at it than other coaches.

[Greeksteel]

All I can say is that if anybody faces the chiefs, take out kelche. Hill. end of offense.

Ok, good luck taking them out.

Do you mean with coverage, or Nancy Kerrigan style?

[Jobu]

You: The Packers and Chiefs don't play down to their opponents

Me: Provides several examples of Chiefs and Packers playing down to sub par opponents

You: But Tomlin!

Me: Provides another example

You: Tomlin!


You can just acknowledge that KC and GB have also struggled and move on.

Yeah that's how the conversation went.

I never said KC and GB didn't but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

I only care about the Steelers, and if you don't think the Steelers haven't been playing down to the level of subpar opponents over the course of the Tomlin era then you haven't been watching.

My question is whether it happens to Tomlin significantly more than it happens to other good teams. To determine this, you would need to go back and study the last umpteen years and see what happened every time a good team played a bad team and get a percentage for how often the good team struggled or outright lost to the bad team vs how often it happens to Tomlin. Since I doubt you've done this research, I don't think you can say that Tomlin is worse at it than other coaches.

I get where Obviously is coming from...fair or not. I couldn’t care less that Sean McVay and the Rams lost to the Jets today, but if Tomlins Steelers lose to Cinci tomorrow...yeah, I’m gonna have a problem with that.

[Steeler Owl]

Research how many other playoff caliber coaches have watched their teams lose to squads QB'd by Brady Quinn, Bruce Gradkowski, Terrell Prior and Mike Glennon twice.