Pickett isn’t the guy

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

[anpsteel]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

Why wouldn’t you have drafted him in the First Round??


Specifically??


Because there are a shitload of QBs that have been drafted in the first round, that went on to absolutely suck

My point is, everyone is guessing


You, me, and all of the scouts that get paid a bunch of money to make those decisions

and those QBs that have sucked, had both better and worse measurables

There is no telling who’s going to succeed

It certainly isn’t based upon arm strength

Lastly, 2.5 games, particularly in this remedial offense, isn’t enough time to pronounce a final decision on him

[JJT07]

Think it is tough to gauge arm strength when most of the passes are 5 or 6 yards.

But to me, that throw down the seam to Muth on 4th down was a "big boy" throw. Maybe others disagree, but I thought that one was one that gives me some hope. There were a couple of others, but that one stood out to me.

[K_C_]

I went to bed at halftime

Sped through 2nd half in time to watch Obama trying to be funny on the Manning Cast

Man, I like Pickett
Kid has the look
Tough
Moxie
Leader

Kenny’s mistakes aren’t anything any other rookie qb hasn’t endured (few had to endure a worse OC)

Problem as I see it is he’s a gunslinger without the gun.

Once he learns his limitations (and an NFL offense) I think he can make it.

Kenny’s in hero ball mode instead of learning to calmly work through progressions (that aren’t there because OC sucks goat balls).

I think Kenny and my guy Pickens can be a thing (IF Tomlada doesn’t ruin them)

Ditch Claypool and DJ and let Kenny and George grow with some new young, savvy, selfless wide receivers in a new offense that utilizes the entire field.

Throw in a solid ground game and a true protector at left tackle and i think Kenny could be a keeper I really do.

I dig the cut of his jib that much

Then I realize who’s in charge

YOU SUCK, TOMLIN!

THIS

[Havoc]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

It was the safe high floor pick exactly what Tomlin wanted. Even heard preseason Tomlin talking about liking a high floor QB as opposed to a QB with an ability to make splash plays.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

Why wouldn’t you have drafted him in the First Round??


Specifically??


Because there are a shitload of QBs that have been drafted in the first round, that went on to absolutely suck

My point is, everyone is guessing


You, me, and all of the scouts that get paid a bunch of money to make those decisions

and those QBs that have sucked, had both better and worse measurables

There is no telling who’s going to succeed

It certainly isn’t based upon arm strength

Lastly, 2.5 games, particularly in this remedial offense, isn’t enough time to pronounce a final decision on him

- Didn’t have success until he was a 5th year senior in a weak conference

- Not a great arm

- In view of not having a great arm you possibly could still put a high grade on him IF he was EXTRAORDINARY at other facets of QB play. He was not outlier extraordinary at other facets of QB play


All of that ^^^^^ says no way do I draft him in the 1st or 2nd


What’s different about Kenneth from Zappe in the 4th ??

[K_C_]

Pickett is a first rounder. I'm not buying the weak arm narrative.

So was Chad Pennington. And many many many other 1st rounders whose arms weren’t up to NFL big boy caliber.

Being a “1st rounder” doesn’t mean shit.

Wow.

Chad Pennington played in the NFL for 12 years and beat Peyton Manning in a playoff game 41-0. He is also the only 2 time winner of the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award.

Pennington most certainly didn’t suck.

Now tell me what guys with huge arms like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell accomplished.

[Havoc]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

Why wouldn’t you have drafted him in the First Round??


Specifically??


Because there are a shitload of QBs that have been drafted in the first round, that went on to absolutely suck

My point is, everyone is guessing


You, me, and all of the scouts that get paid a bunch of money to make those decisions

and those QBs that have sucked, had both better and worse measurables

There is no telling who’s going to succeed

It certainly isn’t based upon arm strength

Lastly, 2.5 games, particularly in this remedial offense, isn’t enough time to pronounce a final decision on him

It's certainly not based on accuracy either. I'm accurate.

If a QB prospect has to develop and you don't know if he will, why would you limit yourself by taking an average arm?

[K_C_]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

Why wouldn’t you have drafted him in the First Round??


Specifically??


Because there are a shitload of QBs that have been drafted in the first round, that went on to absolutely suck

My point is, everyone is guessing


You, me, and all of the scouts that get paid a bunch of money to make those decisions

and those QBs that have sucked, had both better and worse measurables

There is no telling who’s going to succeed

It certainly isn’t based upon arm strength

Lastly, 2.5 games, particularly in this remedial offense, isn’t enough time to pronounce a final decision on him

It's certainly not based on accuracy either. I'm accurate.

If a QB prospect has to develop and you don't know if he will, why would you limit yourself by taking an average arm?

True, you could take a cannon armed sure thing like Kyle Boller.



How ‘bout we wait a while before we proclaim that Pickett doesn’t have enough arm to be a good NFL QB?

[Steeldrama]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

It was the safe high floor pick exactly what Tomlin wanted. Even heard preseason Tomlin talking about liking a high floor QB as opposed to a QB with an ability to make splash plays.

Havoc, I’m an arm guy like you
Dig those Bradshaw, Elway, Josh Allen rocket arms
Those guys don’t grow on trees

It’s one trait
An important one
But it’s one of many needed for success
Just ask Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell etc

Yep Kenny was a 1st rounder

That’s where you have to take one you like

Tomlin liked Pickett (I didn’t)
The Jets liked Zach Wilson
The Bears liked Justin Fields
The 49ers traded a boatload for Lance
Belichick now fucking with Mac Jones

Teams swing and miss
But you gotta take a swing
Kenny hasn’t struck out yet
I’m in the give the kid a chance camp

[Havoc]

I don’t buy the idea Kenneth is a 1st rounder

The Steelers drafted him and they are not a solid drafting team

The next 3 QBs were drafted in the 3rd and most had them ahead of Kenneth in the tools department

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

THATS where Kenneth should’ve fallen. Late to mid 4th behind Ridder Willis and Corral but ahead of Zappe

But…..the Steelers……

It was the safe high floor pick exactly what Tomlin wanted. Even heard preseason Tomlin talking about liking a high floor QB as opposed to a QB with an ability to make splash plays.

Havoc, I’m an arm guy like you
Dig those Bradshaw, Elway, Josh Allen rocket arms
Those guys don’t grow on trees

It’s one trait
An important one
But it’s one of many needed for success
Just ask Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell etc

Yep Kenny was a 1st rounder

That’s where you have to take one you like

Tomlin liked Pickett (I didn’t)
The Jets liked Zach Wilson
The Bears liked Justin Fields
The 49ers traded a boatload for Lance
Belichick now fucking with Mac Jones

Teams swing and miss
But you gotta take a swing
Kenny hasn’t struck out yet
I’m in the give the kid a chance camp

I hear you Drama, I'll give the kid a chance.

I'm open to getting surprised.

I do think the Pickett to Pickens connection has a chance to become formidable.

I do think the offense has a chance to develop and look a lot better late in the season than it does now.

[Steel Bingo]

Pickett plays his guts out and is becoming a vocal leader. Those are two traits this offense desperately needs at its QB position right now.

[franco32]

I get the bias for rocket arms. But there is more than one way to skin a cat. His arm is certainly strong enough. The 30 yard pass to Pickens to the sideline traveled 32 yards in the air and was a nicely spun ball...low and got to Pickens quickly.

I'm much more concerned about the fact we run the same 10 plays over and over. I'm really concerned by the lack of separation I see in our receivers. Calvin Austin...please get well soon.

[bradshaw2ben]

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

Uh Bailey Zappe is one of the few rookie QBs with more experience than Pickett. 3 more career starts in college (51) and nearly 500 more passing attempts (2,163).

[SteelerDayTrader]

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

Uh Bailey Zappe is one of the few rookie QBs with more experience than Pickett. 3 more career starts in college (51) and nearly 500 more passing attempts (2,163).

I meant HIG Factor experience at the ACC level

[955876]

Pickett is a first rounder. I'm not buying the weak arm narrative.

So was Chad Pennington. And many many many other 1st rounders whose arms weren’t up to NFL big boy caliber.

Being a “1st rounder” doesn’t mean shit.

Wow.

Chad Pennington played in the NFL for 12 years and beat Peyton Manning in a playoff game 41-0. He is also the only 2 time winner of the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award.

Pennington most certainly didn’t suck.

Now tell me what guys with huge arms like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell accomplished.

Didn’t say he sucked. But ummm Pennigton won a whopping two playoff games in his 11 year career.


And where did I say having a big arm was all it took? You are creating an argument where there isn’t one because I’m not making those claims.

But to act as if this isn’t a legit concern? Well, that is being very short sighted.

So giggle and snicker all you want about how good a QB Pennington was because he beat Manning that one time in the playoffs.

We would all be so lucky if KP could aspire to that…

[K_C_]

So was Chad Pennington. And many many many other 1st rounders whose arms weren’t up to NFL big boy caliber.

Being a “1st rounder” doesn’t mean shit.

Wow.

Chad Pennington played in the NFL for 12 years and beat Peyton Manning in a playoff game 41-0. He is also the only 2 time winner of the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award.

Pennington most certainly didn’t suck.

Now tell me what guys with huge arms like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell accomplished.

Didn’t say he sucked. But ummm Pennigton won a whopping two playoff games in his 11 year career.

Not too shabby. The Steelers have 3 playoff wins in their last 13 years with a far better supporting cast than Pennington had.

Also, the reason Pennington won the Comeback Player of the Year award twice was because his o-line got him killed on a routine basis.

[jeemie]

Think it is tough to gauge arm strength when most of the passes are 5 or 6 yards.

But to me, that throw down the seam to Muth on 4th down was a "big boy" throw. Maybe others disagree, but I thought that one was one that gives me some hope. There were a couple of others, but that one stood out to me.

Yes there was zip on that pass to Muth, which was more than four yards down the field.

Zip plus trusting Muth would be there (he threw that before Muth was open).

Kenny needs to start showing a lot more, I agree…but I see no evidence (yet) that he’s noodle armed.

[955876]

Chad Pennington played in the NFL for 12 years and beat Peyton Manning in a playoff game 41-0. He is also the only 2 time winner of the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award.

Pennington most certainly didn’t suck.

Now tell me what guys with huge arms like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell accomplished.

Didn’t say he sucked. But ummm Pennigton won a whopping two playoff games in his 11 year career.

Not too shabby. The Steelers have 3 playoff wins in their last 13 years with a far better supporting cast than Pennington had.

Also, the reason Pennington won the Comeback Player of the Year award twice was because his o-line got him killed on a routine basis.

So if you had Pennington as your QB do you pass on Ben Roethlisberger?

That is the issue. Not that Pennington wasn’t a decent QB.

We will see with KP.

[Gonzo]

I went to bed at halftime

Sped through 2nd half in time to watch Obama trying to be funny on the Manning Cast

Man, I like Pickett
Kid has the look
Tough
Moxie
Leader

Kenny’s mistakes aren’t anything any other rookie qb hasn’t endured (few had to endure a worse OC)

Problem as I see it is he’s a gunslinger without the gun.

Once he learns his limitations (and an NFL offense) I think he can make it.

Kenny’s in hero ball mode instead of learning to calmly work through progressions (that aren’t there because OC sucks goat balls).

I think Kenny and my guy Pickens can be a thing (IF Tomlada doesn’t ruin them)

Ditch Claypool and DJ and let Kenny and George grow with some new young, savvy, selfless wide receivers in a new offense that utilizes the entire field.

Throw in a solid ground game and a true protector at left tackle and i think Kenny could be a keeper I really do.

I dig the cut of his jib that much

Then I realize who’s in charge

YOU SUCK, TOMLIN!

You had me at YOU SUCK, TOMLIN

This is a big part of the dilemma. I for one think KP can be a mediocre QB and maybe succeed if surrounded with better talent -- he wont individually elevate ... just my opinion.

However, we likely wont know until its too late because Tomlin and Canada are a couple of tools. Maybe in the end the Steelers will be as better off as they can be .... because, even if they had waitied for this next draft and got a more "talented" QB it would have been a big waste. I dont underdstand why there is any debate anymore -- what you see is what they want. This isnt managing a rookie QB oradapting and playing conseravtive with a limited team -- this is Tomlin 101. He has done the same thing with a HoF team and a rookie QB. If he had the whole SB winning team back now there would be no difference. Dont know if its lazy thinking, happy to be NHALS, ingrained risk aversion, fear of going out on a limb, rationalization that its all bullshit in the end and only exectuon of any plan matters -- likely a bit of all of them. But, we are never going to see what Picktett and Pickens and others can do because aggressie O and up-pace football isnt in the card for this cast of clowns -- in their own worda thats just "gimmick" football

[Jobu]

I went to bed at halftime

Sped through 2nd half in time to watch Obama trying to be funny on the Manning Cast

Man, I like Pickett
Kid has the look
Tough
Moxie
Leader

Kenny’s mistakes aren’t anything any other rookie qb hasn’t endured (few had to endure a worse OC)

Problem as I see it is he’s a gunslinger without the gun.

Once he learns his limitations (and an NFL offense) I think he can make it.

Kenny’s in hero ball mode instead of learning to calmly work through progressions (that aren’t there because OC sucks goat balls).

I think Kenny and my guy Pickens can be a thing (IF Tomlada doesn’t ruin them)

Ditch Claypool and DJ and let Kenny and George grow with some new young, savvy, selfless wide receivers in a new offense that utilizes the entire field.

Throw in a solid ground game and a true protector at left tackle and i think Kenny could be a keeper I really do.

I dig the cut of his jib that much

Then I realize who’s in charge

YOU SUCK, TOMLIN!

You had me at YOU SUCK, TOMLIN

This is a big part of the dilemma. I for one think KP can be a mediocre QB and maybe succeed if surrounded with better talent -- he wont individually elevate ... just my opinion.

However, we likely wont know until its too late because Tomlin and Canada are a couple of tools. Maybe in the end the Steelers will be as better off as they can be .... because, even if they had waitied for this next draft and got a more "talented" QB it would have been a big waste. I dont underdstand why there is any debate anymore -- what you see is what they want. This isnt managing a rookie QB oradapting and playing conseravtive with a limited team -- this is Tomlin 101. He has done the same thing with a HoF team and a rookie QB. If he had the whole SB winning team back now there would be no difference. Dont know if its lazy thinking, happy to be NHALS, ingrained risk aversion, fear of going out on a limb, rationalization that its all bullshit in the end and only exectuon of any plan matters -- likely a bit of all of them. But, we are never going to see what Picktett and Pickens and others can do because aggressie O and up-pace football isnt in the card for this cast of clowns -- in their own worda thats just "gimmick" football

Right…and that mindset isn’t changing when Canada becomes the scapegoat firing at seasons end. Tomlin is just going to find another stooge to run his attrition offense. The play calling may slightly change, but the objective will remain the same…get to third down!

[jebrick]

Pickett plays his guts out and is becoming a vocal leader. Those are two traits this offense desperately needs at its QB position right now.

So did Bubby.

Ben spoiled me for rookie QBs making a splash. KP needs some time and to learn to make better decisions.

[jebrick]

Then it was Zappe in the late 4 who tools wise is pretty similar to Kenneth but lacks Kenneth’s experience and moxie

Uh Bailey Zappe is one of the few rookie QBs with more experience than Pickett. 3 more career starts in college (51) and nearly 500 more passing attempts (2,163).

He also has a staff that will tailor the plays around his strengths and avoid his lack of arm being an issue.

[Havoc]

.

[K_C_]

Didn’t say he sucked. But ummm Pennigton won a whopping two playoff games in his 11 year career.

Not too shabby. The Steelers have 3 playoff wins in their last 13 years with a far better supporting cast than Pennington had.

Also, the reason Pennington won the Comeback Player of the Year award twice was because his o-line got him killed on a routine basis.

So if you had Pennington as your QB do you pass on Ben Roethlisberger?

That is the issue. Not that Pennington wasn’t a decent QB.

We will see with KP.

2 things.

1) Pickett has a significantly stronger arm than Pennington. He's also a rookie and is only beginning the development process.

2) Nobody knew Ben Roethlisberger was going to become what Ben Roethlisberger became when he was drafted in 2004.

I will add that none of the top 3 QB's this year are sure things at the next level. As Kenny Pickett is finding out right now, the NFL is a very different game than college football. I'd be surprised if Stroud, Young or Levis became anything close to what Ben became. OSU has never produced a great QB in the last how many decades or centuries? Alabama sure as hell hasn't been a QB factory under Nick Saban and I don't even need to say Levis is a long shot.

All of this doesn't really matter anyway. We aren't taking a QB in the first round this April and I predict the Steelers won't draft a QB in any round. Not one.

Either Mitch or Mason will stick around as the back up (my bet is it's Mitch. Mason has to be dying to leave) and the third QB will be some Duck Hodges type player from South Georgia Nursing and Agriculture Tech.

[Havoc]

Pickett plays his guts out and is becoming a vocal leader. Those are two traits this offense desperately needs at its QB position right now.

So did Bubby.

Ben spoiled me for rookie QBs making a splash. KP needs some time and to learn to make better decisions.

When rookie Aikman's teammates saw him in practice laser beam a 25 yd wide out (a 40 yd throw), his teammates didn't give a rats ass about his workmanlike, quiet demeanor.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

Ben's podcast goes over the final interception.

At the moment Pickett needs to make a decision to throw, DJ can do one of two things, come back to him, or bolt the opposite direction to the middle of the end zone.

Pickett makes the throw as if DJ is going to cut and come back... DJ goes deeper into the end zone.

This isn't a "he lacks the physical ability" problem, it's two guys not on the same page. Personally I can see why Pickett doesn't opt to throw across his body into the middle of the field, and I can see why DJ takes the open area. It's just one of those things those two guys need to learn from each other on. Ben talked about being on the same wifi as AB, this is part of that. I don't know if I expect a rookie to be on that wavelength quite yet.

I see throws like the one to Friermuth, and thats a throw I don't see too many rookies make consistently... in comparison to the trash around the league, Pickett is far more accurate in those short to mid routes, and he stays in the pocket to make those throws. That's light years beyond what you are seeing in today's game throughout some other games.

I'd love for him to add the anticipation aspect of his game so that they can exploit some of these deeper passes, but I honestly think there are improvements needed both at the WR position and at the playcalling position to do that.

I'm more concerned with the interception in the middle of the field (second one), that's one he can clean up - and I expect he will. That's where he needs to learn the speed of the game and adjust. That's what he needs to improve on by far.

[K_C_]

Ben's podcast goes over the final interception.

At the moment Pickett needs to make a decision to throw, DJ can do one of two things, come back to him, or bolt the opposite direction to the middle of the end zone.

Pickett makes the throw as if DJ is going to cut and come back... DJ goes deeper into the end zone.

This isn't a "he lacks the physical ability" problem, it's two guys not on the same page. Personally I can see why Pickett doesn't opt to throw across his body into the middle of the field, and I can see why DJ takes the open area. It's just one of those things those two guys need to learn from each other on. Ben talked about being on the same wifi as AB, this is part of that. I don't know if I expect a rookie to be on that wavelength quite yet.

I see throws like the one to Friermuth, and thats a throw I don't see too many rookies make consistently... in comparison to the trash around the league, Pickett is far more accurate in those short to mid routes, and he stays in the pocket to make those throws. That's light years beyond what you are seeing in today's game throughout some other games.

I'd love for him to add the anticipation aspect of his game so that they can exploit some of these deeper passes, but I honestly think there are improvements needed both at the WR position and at the playcalling position to do that.

I'm more concerned with the interception in the middle of the field (second one), that's one he can clean up - and I expect he will. That's where he needs to learn the speed of the game and adjust. That's what he needs to improve on by far.

Great post and it would have been disingenuous of Ben to say anything different because Chase and Diontae were very rarely on the same page as Roethlisberger and he was a veteran soon to be Hall of Famer.

Don't get me wrong. Pickett fucked up on that play in two ways. First, he obviously should have taken off and ran. Pickett would have been out of bounds near the 20 yard line or so and still would have had 20+ seconds. Kenny fucked up by throwing the ball in that situation, but his biggest fuck up was trusting Diontae Johnson to do what Kenny wanted/expected him to.

[955876]

When rookie Aikman's teammates saw him in practice laser beam a 25 yd wide out (a 40 yd throw), his teammates didn't give a rats ass about his workmanlike, quiet demeanor.

And that is simply what I’m waiting to see. That deep out thrown on a line.

Or a deep pass where there isn’t a ton of air put under it to get it out there.

Those two throws.

Not saying the guy has the arm of a 13 year old girl.

I just don’t really want to hitch our wagon to a guy if he can’t make those two throws.

Hopefully he can. Just haven’t seen it yet.

I’m on his side at this point.

[LakecrestSteeler]

When rookie Aikman's teammates saw him in practice laser beam a 25 yd wide out (a 40 yd throw), his teammates didn't give a rats ass about his workmanlike, quiet demeanor.

And that is simply what I’m waiting to see. That deep out thrown on a line.

Or a deep pass where there isn’t a ton of air put under it to get it out there.

Those two throws.

Not saying the guy has the arm of a 13 year old girl.

I just don’t really want to hitch our wagon to a guy if he can’t make those two throws.

Hopefully he can. Just haven’t seen it yet.

I’m on his side at this point.

He did throw the one out to DJ that seemed like it was in the air forever, but did seem quite far too. I couldn’t tell if it was a good pass or not. It made me nervous as hell though. I thought either that guy was the best cover man in the world or KP’s arm was junk.

I think it was the guy was just playing super aggressive. I actually wanted them to immediately go back to DJ on a stop and go or an out and up route. Pretty sure it would have been an instant TD. Nobody can stay on DJ like this guy was. Of course Canada never called it. It was a disrespectful play that should have been answered the next play, which just shows the lack of awareness of the OC. A non-rookie FQB would have just went right back to that guy with DJ.