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Post by Orangesteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:21 am

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Orangesteel wrote:
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There is some serious mental deficiencies going on with Claypool. He’s getting roasted on social media which might be a good thing for him.

That little celebration cost us probably 6-8 seconds, longer than I originally thought because the ball was being kicked around and fumbled by the official.

Just absolutely mind numbing stupidity.
I was shocked to see Green grabbing the ball off of Claypool. Didn’t think he had the wherewithal. After he grabbed it that is when the officials fumbled it. The refs were dropping balls all night. I saw Harris toss a couple and they would just drop in with butter fingers.
I think it was actually Turner.


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Post by sinceiwas4 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:21 am

Steelperch wrote:
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Greeksteel wrote:
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Not disagreeing, just saying the ball got to him cleanly.
That ball has to be 100% caught. It was perfectly thrown, he had 2 hands on and around it.
It was an immediate punch out from behind. He had it caught with his hands, but didn’t have time to pull it in. Ben threw it perfectly, Muth got both hands on it in a crowd, Smith perfectly timed the break up. Nobody is at fault there.
exactly Perch. Muth doesnt deserve to feel as bad as he probly does. the ball had to be thrown exactly where it was perfect throw. he got his hands on it caught it but Defense had all the leverage in that situation cuz it was so far from his body, all hands. even if he'd had a fraction of a second longer he coulda got both feet down with the possession he had in his hand catch and an argument coulda been made it was just perfect timing by defender no body's fault.

unlike the piss poor coaching that makes us learn our opponent in game every week. but yeah thats a different topic

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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:21 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:12 am
Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:10 am
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:07 am


Not disagreeing, just saying the ball got to him cleanly.
That ball has to be 100% caught. It was perfectly thrown, he had 2 hands on and around it.
It was an immediate punch out from behind. He had it caught with his hands, but didn’t have time to pull it in. Ben threw it perfectly, Muth got both hands on it in a crowd, Smith perfectly timed the break up. Nobody is at fault there.

Perch i love the kid, and i know you love him too being a nitanny lion, but that has to be caught my man.

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Post by MWS71 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am

Ben’s arm is still live, he was really slinging it tonight. He just can’t move at all - any mistake from the OL is a potential disaster, and they make A LOT of mistakes.

4 games left for the big guy, I hope they let him go out chucking it. I’m not sure our late game offensive surges are solely because Ben’s calling the plays. Teams do tend to play a little softer defensively when they’re up 4 scores.

But the Canada/Tomlin offensive game plan simply isn’t working, so lets just do what Ben likes best. This team isn’t a contender, so not giving up 300 yards on the ground and seeing a couple more shades of Ben being Ben on our inevitable march to 8-8-1 will be good enough for me.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am

On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am

Also if ure gonna call Minkah for hitting a defenseless receiver earlier, call that one on Muth as well

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am

It was a catch... until the defender got his hand in to knock it away.

That happens on balls that far away from the body ...

Let;s keep the blame where it belongs... the coaching staff... again..
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Post by sinceiwas4 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
it Was perfect cuz any closer to Muth's body woulda hit the defender in front of him before it even got to his hands

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:27 am

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Also if ure gonna call Minkah for hitting a defenseless receiver earlier, call that one on Muth as well
Ditto that is what I have been saying several times. Consistency is all I ask for.
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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:33 am

If you don’t hate Claypool go watch his post game interview.

Was asked about celebrating a catch in the hurry up. Blew off the question and blamed the other team for knocking the ball away from him. Said “should’ve been a fucking penalty”. Was asked being being the most penalized receiver in the league and he blew it off and just said “need to be better I guess”. Was asked about his unsportsmanlike penalty and getting benched, acted like it was no big deal. Came off like a dick.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:18 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:15 am
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:12 am

It was an immediate punch out from behind. He had it caught with his hands, but didn’t have time to pull it in. Ben threw it perfectly, Muth got both hands on it in a crowd, Smith perfectly timed the break up. Nobody is at fault there.
Muth might have been better to stiff arm locked elbows catch it and hold it straight out instead of bringing it to bread basket for the split second time needed for a TD. It is only a split second. Rookie will learn hopefully.
He was about to be blasted in the face from the front side while simultaneously having the ball punched out from the back. Not much anyone could do there. There was nowhere to turn and shield the ball which he didn’t even have time to secure. Great play by Smith.
I think he would have had better luck just keeping his arms extended; using a death pinch grip on the ball. Might have gotten the quick TD call.

The defender would have just hit his tricep instead of a successful medium tomahawk chop and the other guy coming in would have hit his shoulder. Might have gotten the TD if he keeps his arms out like Superman.
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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am

http://twitter.com/i/status/1469166504931475458


looks like that ball is coming loose a split second before any defender gets a hand in there

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am

sinceiwas4 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
it Was perfect cuz any closer to Muth's body woulda hit the defender in front of him before it even got to his hands
Then there was no where to make that thrown that was going to be a catch.

Give the defensive player credit for making a play.

That's what happened.
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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:36 am

Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
http://twitter.com/i/status/1469166504931475458


looks like that ball is coming loose a split second before any defender gets a hand in there
Disagree 100%... I see a great play by the guy behind him with a well timed break up.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:36 am

Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
http://twitter.com/i/status/1469166504931475458


looks like that ball is coming loose a split second before any defender gets a hand in there
The defender hit it. Watched it frame by frame.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:37 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
I just have to laugh at these criticisms. Ben faced a pass rush in his face and threw the ball to the only spot on the entire field where it had a chance to be caught… he did it while Freirmuth still had his back turned and was starting his break, The pass was laced between 3 defenders, but it wasn’t “perfect enough” I guess. Freiermuth got both hands on it while facing a defender running full speed to blast him in the head while simultaneously getting the ball punched out from behind. Ben and Muth were damn near flawless on that play. There isn’t anything they could’ve done better. Harrison Smith made the best play.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:37 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
sinceiwas4 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
it Was perfect cuz any closer to Muth's body woulda hit the defender in front of him before it even got to his hands
Then there was no where to make that thrown that was going to be a catch.

Give the defensive player credit for making a play.

That's what happened.
Also - upon looking at these screenshots... plenty of room there to get it closer.

This is a game of inches... great throw by Ben, and a great play by the defender. Sometimes thats what it is.

I think if Ben puts that closer to his chest, it doesn't allow for the back side swipe as Muth pulls it into his body.
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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:38 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
sinceiwas4 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
it Was perfect cuz any closer to Muth's body woulda hit the defender in front of him before it even got to his hands
Then there was no where to make that thrown that was going to be a catch.

Give the defensive player credit for making a play.

That's what happened.

Disagree 100%. Thats gotta be caught.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:37 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 am
On the Muth catch... it was not perfectly thrown... if it was - it wouldn't require the arms to be stretched to catch it, allowing space for an arm to get through.

A very good NFL throw... but not perfect. That's why players on the other team get paid... to get a hand in there. When you consider a shot coming from the other side.... there may be a 1 or 2 TE who make that catch in the league and I'm not even sure thats true.
I just have to laugh at these criticisms. Ben faced a pass rush in his face and threw the ball to the only spot on the entire field where it had a chance to be caught… he did it while Freirmuth still had his back turned and was starting his break, The pass was laced between 3 defenders, but it wasn’t “perfect enough” I guess. Freiermuth got both hands on it while facing a defender running full speed to blast him in the head while simultaneously getting the ball punched out from behind. Ben and Muth were damn near flawless on that play. There isn’t anything they could’ve done better. Harrison Smith made the best play.
I agree- I'm not sure why every incompletion here has to be a Steelers fault.. sometimes the other guy just makes a well timed play. Give em credit.

Team should have never been in that position to begin with... this is a play we should have seen and forgot about in the 2nd qtr.
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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:18 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:15 am

Muth might have been better to stiff arm locked elbows catch it and hold it straight out instead of bringing it to bread basket for the split second time needed for a TD. It is only a split second. Rookie will learn hopefully.
He was about to be blasted in the face from the front side while simultaneously having the ball punched out from the back. Not much anyone could do there. There was nowhere to turn and shield the ball which he didn’t even have time to secure. Great play by Smith.
I think he would have had better luck just keeping his arms extended; using a death pinch grip on the ball. Might have gotten the quick TD call.

The defender would have just hit his tricep instead of a successful medium tomahawk chop and the other guy coming in would have hit his shoulder. Might have gotten the TD if he keeps his arms out like Superman.
Stop with the frame by frame and watch the play full speed. He was 0.001 seconds from being decapitated. Yeah, keep those arms extended.

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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:36 am
Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
http://twitter.com/i/status/1469166504931475458


looks like that ball is coming loose a split second before any defender gets a hand in there
The defender hit it. Watched it frame by frame.
It was definitely bang bang, i still think thats a catch Muth feels he can and should make.

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Post by Stillerz Bar » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:41 am

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They will bounce back and beat the Titans in 10 days. Too much pride and talent not too. ;)
Actually beating the Titans wouldn't surprise me. The thing about Tomlin's teams is that they are just as likely to beat a top team as they are to lose to (or tie) a bottom feeder.

It's maddening :roll:

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:41 am

Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:38 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
sinceiwas4 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 am


it Was perfect cuz any closer to Muth's body woulda hit the defender in front of him before it even got to his hands
Then there was no where to make that thrown that was going to be a catch.

Give the defensive player credit for making a play.

That's what happened.

Disagree 100%. Thats gotta be caught.
it was... and the other team's fans said "That's gotta be knocked out of his hand"... and it was.
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Post by Greeksteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:42 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:41 am
Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:38 am
ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am


Then there was no where to make that thrown that was going to be a catch.

Give the defensive player credit for making a play.

That's what happened.

Disagree 100%. Thats gotta be caught.
it was... and the other team's fans said "That's gotta be knocked out of his hand"... and it was.

No if it was caught its a td. Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:43 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:18 am


He was about to be blasted in the face from the front side while simultaneously having the ball punched out from the back. Not much anyone could do there. There was nowhere to turn and shield the ball which he didn’t even have time to secure. Great play by Smith.
I think he would have had better luck just keeping his arms extended; using a death pinch grip on the ball. Might have gotten the quick TD call.

The defender would have just hit his tricep instead of a successful medium tomahawk chop and the other guy coming in would have hit his shoulder. Might have gotten the TD if he keeps his arms out like Superman.
Stop with the frame by frame and watch the play full speed. He was 0.001 seconds from being decapitated. Yeah, keep those arms extended.
People here drop balls playing catch.

I've seen enough from Friermuth to know he's not the reason for that pass being incomplete. Credit to Smith... hell of a play, and he knew it when he celebrated.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:43 am

Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:36 am
Greeksteel wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:34 am
http://twitter.com/i/status/1469166504931475458


looks like that ball is coming loose a split second before any defender gets a hand in there
The defender hit it. Watched it frame by frame.
It was definitely bang bang, i still think thats a catch Muth feels he can and should make.
Definitely. If he is a professional you come up with a new way to make those catches. Get the juggs machine and see if the fetal catch is better than the Superman catch. Experiment and tweak some of your moves. Lots of drops on that same catch trying the same fetal position catch position from many a TE.

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Post by sinceiwas4 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:44 am

it was caught. it was a perfect throw. it was a great catch a perfect cstch woulda been if he coulda made it with 2 feet down already which woulda been a TD. a great play by defender kept the perfect throw and the great catch from being a perfect play for a touchdown.

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Post by zeke5123 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:44 am

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If you don’t hate Claypool go watch his post game interview.

Was asked about celebrating a catch in the hurry up. Blew off the question and blamed the other team for knocking the ball away from him. Said “should’ve been a fucking penalty”. Was asked being being the most penalized receiver in the league and he blew it off and just said “need to be better I guess”. Was asked about his unsportsmanlike penalty and getting benched, acted like it was no big deal. Came off like a dick.
Does sound like a twat. He should’ve been penalized for acting like a fool (can the NFL make that a penalty). But if a Viking player hit the ball (would be interesting to see) that is a penalty (at least as much a penalty as that block in the back).

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Post by BethlehemSteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:47 am

ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
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Matt Canada has never dealt with a good pro QB...

Ben does things he can't fathom...

which is why he shouldn't be in this league. He doesn't know what he doesn't know.
If we can’t fire Tomlin

Let go of Canada tomorrow
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Post by BethlehemSteel » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:51 am

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Ben needs to go to the deuce and tell him “I’m coming back and calling all of my own plays. If you want the retard in the shades over that’s fine but keep him the fuck out of my way”
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