mega Merged AB nonsense thread

[Donnie Brasco]

Swiss would raise Aaron Hernandez from the grave and slap a Steelers jersey on him if he thought it meant we might go 10-6 rather than 9-7. I guess it's respectable to some extent to operate in a world where integrity doesn't exist, to not give a shit about honor, respect, etc. but I'm glad the Steelers do.

So Swiss and Nick really aren't that far removed?

[K_C_]

Nah Swiss, this is horseshit and you know it.

Just your sentence where you say; “it’s sad the situation developed”.....

The “situation” was about a piece of shit cancer. An egomaniac fuckstick who wanted a big raise, right after he got a big raise.

The capper was when his teammates voted the kid who played the same position Team MVP.

This is why people are and were calling bullshit on your hope the “situation” was salvageable.

One person was responsible for this “situation”.

Just one.

[Legacy User]

Show where I've advocated for Antonio Brown, Ice, as opposed to advocating for keeping him on our team. Sorry, I'm simply not believing that a guy of his talent goes away, the same douchebag coaches the team, and somehow the team ends up better. The math just doesn't work for me.

And as I've said before it's not like the 2019 Steeler roster is going to be the same as the 2018 roster except for not having AB. The Steelers do get to add some players this offseason in order to improve their team.

Bottom line, my prevailing sentiment is that it's way too bad that this situation developed to the point where a guy of his talent and production isn't playing for us anymore.

I agree. AB is a phenomenal talent, and I've loved watching him play for the Steelers, and I've loved his sunny disposition. I'm sorry things turned out this way too, but it's largely of AB's own making.

[stillthere]

I agree. AB is a phenomenal talent, and I've loved watching him play for the Steelers, and I've loved his sunny disposition. I'm sorry things turned out this way too, but it's largely of AB's own making.

No No No it was all Ben being an ass. I seen't it on the internet from AB. Bell even said that he wanted to be friends with Ben but he couldn't play enough video games and play pick up basketball (Bell is just lucky that Ben didn't talk shit to him while playing pick up basketball).

[K_C_]

Show where I've advocated for Antonio Brown, Ice, as opposed to advocating for keeping him on our team. Sorry, I'm simply not believing that a guy of his talent goes away, the same douchebag coaches the team, and somehow the team ends up better. The math just doesn't work for me.

And as I've said before it's not like the 2019 Steeler roster is going to be the same as the 2018 roster except for not having AB. The Steelers do get to add some players this offseason in order to improve their team.

Bottom line, my prevailing sentiment is that it's way too bad that this situation developed to the point where a guy of his talent and production isn't playing for us anymore.

I agree. AB is a phenomenal talent, and I've loved watching him play for the Steelers, and I've loved his sunny disposition. I'm sorry things turned out this way too, but it's largely of AB's own making.

Not "largely" at all.

This is 100 fucking % that yeasty cunt's fault.

100 fucking %.

No more.

No less.

[Louis Lipps Service]

I fail to see why being talented exempts someone from criticism when he royally screws over your team.

I mean, this is seriously one of the biggest screw jobs I've ever seen an athlete do to a team.

I, too, think we're going to be less talented without him, and in fact, had a very long and heated argument well before the Bengals game with a friend saying exactly that. He wanted to get rid of AB all the way back at the halfway point of the season, and I told him he's absolutely insane as he was too talented to adequately replace in a single offseason.

I still believe the talent portion of that, but with the manner that AB forced himself off the team, you're damn right I'm going to drag him over the coals for it. I'm not going to treat him with kid's gloves because he was a great player.

I think we can replace AB, but it's going to take a lot of luck in FA and rookies working out.

But there's nothing wrong with trashing AB for being an asshat while still hoping for the best with his replacements.

[steelmann58]

At this point screw AB PIECE OF GARBAGE DONE WITH HIM.
AB is so consumed with JUJU its funny and he needs to worry about getting his passes from David Carr and not making the playoffs. i like to know how many games will it take before he goes off

[Ice]

I know James Washington didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie, but I find it hard to believe he was picked in the 2nd round to be an upgrade for Eli Rogers. It's entirely possible that some people may have had a bit of foresight about the situation.

[Jobu]

I know James Washington didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie, but I find it hard to believe he was picked in the 2nd round to be an upgrade for Eli Rogers. It's entirely possible that some people may have had a bit of foresight about the situation.

Probably some truth to this...

[R_S]

AB just talked shit on JuJu https://twitter.com/ab84/status/1114953 ... 62240?s=21

He is getting shit on in that thread pretty hard.

I saw Anthony Miller of the Beara call AB out on the thread. Along with that dork Michael Rappaport. Any others of note?

[swissvale72]

I know James Washington didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie, but I find it hard to believe he was picked in the 2nd round to be an upgrade for Eli Rogers. It's entirely possible that some people may have had a bit of foresight about the situation.

Hahaha....the guy that all of you talked shit on last year is now the Great Hope!! Priceless!!

[stillthere]

I know James Washington didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie, but I find it hard to believe he was picked in the 2nd round to be an upgrade for Eli Rogers. It's entirely possible that some people may have had a bit of foresight about the situation.

Hahaha....the guy that all of you talked shit on last year is now the Great Hope!! Priceless!!

I think you would be very hard pressed to find me saying one negative thing about Washington at any point on this site or any other. I would have liked to see him come around quicker but I started to see some spark at the end of the season. I am not worried at all about Washington or JuJu and I think Moncrief will have a good season as well. What is the old saying on this board and the old? Big Ben is the straw that stirs the drink. If you are a pretty good WR he will help make you better.

Some of the people bitched about a drop here and there but I pretty sure people were not shitting on him.

[Legacy User]

I don't want him injured. I don't want him to even get the sniffles.

I want him in the best shape of his life.

And then I want him to suffer under an inferior system, catching 50-60 passes a year for about 500 yards. After a couple years, he drops on the depth chart and is phased out of the offense. His legacy is tarnished and his success in Pittsburgh is widely accepted as being a product of the environment. He never makes it to the HOF and ends up featured on an installment of "Where are they now" at age 40.

[Ice]

Juju is the exception rather than the rule for rookie WR success in the NFL.

Darth Vader would find your lack of faith disturbing, Swiss.

[swissvale72]

I know James Washington didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie, but I find it hard to believe he was picked in the 2nd round to be an upgrade for Eli Rogers. It's entirely possible that some people may have had a bit of foresight about the situation.

Hahaha....the guy that all of you talked shit on last year is now the Great Hope!! Priceless!!

I think you would be very hard pressed to find me saying one negative thing about Washington at any point on this site or any other. I would have liked to see him come around quicker but I started to see some spark at the end of the season. I am not worried at all about Washington or JuJu and I think Moncrief will have a good season as well. What is the old saying on this board and the old? Big Ben is the straw that stirs the drink. If you are a pretty good WR he will help make you better.

Some of the people bitched about a drop here and there but I pretty sure people were not shitting on him.

Oh....I'm pretty sure people WERE shitting on him, KC specifically after at least one of his drops.

[K_C_]

Oh....I'm pretty sure people WERE shitting on him, KC specifically after at least one of his drops.

I was ALL OVER Washington last season. I was ALL OVER Roethlisberger at times (pssst....I was all over Roethlisberger quite often, because he was forcing passes, over and over, to an ultra-covered Antonio Fuckface. I wonder why he was doing that).

After Ben slammed Washington publicly, Ben also took the kid under his wing personally and Washington made some very big plays down the stretch for the Steelers. Made a big play in the Cincy game I believe, the one Mr. Big Fuckface decided he didn't want to prepare for.

So oh yes, you're 100% right I was all over James Washington. He was beyond shitty much of the year for sure.

But he's a highly intelligent kid with a great work ethic and I think he's going to be really good this year. I'm very, very excited about this team going forward.

With Mr. Big Fuckface in Oakland, I look at the Steelers now as being "cancer free" and that's always a good thing.

Fuck that stat whore piece of shit.

[COR-TEN]

I wonder if Mr Big Fuckface has read or reads steeler forums to get a sense of how they feel about him. Even his own twitter feed is shitting on him.

But narcissists don't really care and live in their own world.

[drmalba]

Derrick Mason was an excellent quality wideout for the Titans and Ravens. Not AB level, but damn good. Played his thirteen year career, much of which was sharing a division (8 seasons ?) with Pittsburgh and was a two-time pro-bowler, racking up 69 TDs , 943 receptions and 12000 yards receiving over his career.
As good as he was, he scored exactly one TD in that entire time against the Steelers, in 2009, as a second receiver in Baltimore. And I was mega-pissed we let that streak end.

I know it will be a tough ask, especially considering the state of our pass defense over the last few seasons, but given AB's latest twitter offal, I want a similar mentality. Don't let that motherfucker score on us, either here or in Oakland. Ever.

[Kodiak]

...but given AB's latest twitter offal, I want a similar mentality. Don't let that motherfucker score on us, either here or in Oakland. Ever.

There's a chance we never play AB. He has 3 years left on his deal, and then I'm sure he'll be going somewhere else. That's if Gruden doesn't get sick of shit before then and trade him.

[stillthere]

...but given AB's latest twitter offal, I want a similar mentality. Don't let that motherfucker score on us, either here or in Oakland. Ever.

There's a chance we never play AB. He has 3 years left on his deal, and then I'm sure he'll be going somewhere else. That's if Gruden doesn't get sick of shit before then and trade him.

I don't think they can viably trade him for 2 years due to the 30 million in guarantees they just gave him. I could see him doing something stupid and ending up on the commissioners exemption list though.

[K_C_]

He will be missed for sure

[Ice]

[Scunge]

I don't think it is unrealistic at all to think that the offense might NOT take a step back this season without Antonio Brown.

Why do I think the offense will be fine?? I look at recent history, like last season.

Leveon Bell being out the whole year and the offense improved?? The Red zone offense went to unheard of heights of efficiency? How can that be?

Bell was supposed to be this unquestioned God of a RB. His pass catching alone was deemed worthy enough that he should be paid like a 2nd WR too.

Funny how in what was it, the past 20 regular season games the trio of Rosie Nix, James Conner and Jaylin Samuels combined for 5 TD receptions.

Why is that significant? Because Leveon Bell in 62 regular season games scored just 7 TD receptions. Hell, Jaylin Samuels in just his rookie season scored 3 TDs in only 26 receptions. It would appear that if anything, Ben was wasting his time throwing to Bell, was less productive in getting TDs. How can Ben increase his TDs from last year? Improve upon 34 TDs?? Instead of averaging 1.75 TD passes to Bell per year, Ben could easily average 5-7 to Samuels/Conner moving forward.

For quite some time this offense was feeding Bell and Brown and yes, they were getting their garbage, fantasy football yards but where were all of the damn touchdowns?? Where was the high scoring offense?? Supposedly we had the best WR in the game, the best RB in the game, yet where were the points?? The touchdowns???

This offense is going to be fine and new players will emerge and new stars will be born. Bell was not special. Brown was not special. Insert any player with some talent into this offense with Ben and this O-liine and they will produce too.

[K_C_]

I don't think it is unrealistic at all to think that the offense might NOT take a step back this season without Antonio Brown.

Why do I think the offense will be fine?? I look at recent history, like last season.

Leveon Bell being out the whole year and the offense improved?? The Red zone offense went to unheard of heights of efficiency? How can that be?

Bell was supposed to be this unquestioned God of a RB. His pass catching alone was deemed worthy enough that he should be paid like a 2nd WR too.

Funny how in what was it, the past 20 regular season games the trio of Rosie Nix, James Conner and Jaylin Samuels combined for 5 TD receptions.

Why is that significant? Because Leveon Bell in 62 regular season games scored just 7 TD receptions. Hell, Jaylin Samuels in just his rookie season scored 3 TDs in only 26 receptions. It would appear that if anything, Ben was wasting his time throwing to Bell, was less productive in getting TDs. How can Ben increase his TDs from last year? Improve upon 34 TDs?? Instead of averaging 1.75 TD passes to Bell per year, Ben could easily average 5-7 to Samuels/Conner moving forward.

For quite some time this offense was feeding Bell and Brown and yes, they were getting their garbage, fantasy football yards but where were all of the damn touchdowns?? Where was the high scoring offense?? Supposedly we had the best WR in the game, the best RB in the game, yet where were the points?? The touchdowns???

This offense is going to be fine and new players will emerge and new stars will be born. Bell was not special. Brown was not special. Insert any player with some talent into this offense with Ben and this O-liine and they will produce too.

HEAR, HEAR!

[rooneytunes]

[swissvale72]

I don't think it is unrealistic at all to think that the offense might NOT take a step back this season without Antonio Brown.

Why do I think the offense will be fine?? I look at recent history, like last season.

Leveon Bell being out the whole year and the offense improved?? The Red zone offense went to unheard of heights of efficiency? How can that be?

Bell was supposed to be this unquestioned God of a RB. His pass catching alone was deemed worthy enough that he should be paid like a 2nd WR too.

Funny how in what was it, the past 20 regular season games the trio of Rosie Nix, James Conner and Jaylin Samuels combined for 5 TD receptions.

Why is that significant? Because Leveon Bell in 62 regular season games scored just 7 TD receptions. Hell, Jaylin Samuels in just his rookie season scored 3 TDs in only 26 receptions. It would appear that if anything, Ben was wasting his time throwing to Bell, was less productive in getting TDs. How can Ben increase his TDs from last year? Improve upon 34 TDs?? Instead of averaging 1.75 TD passes to Bell per year, Ben could easily average 5-7 to Samuels/Conner moving forward.

For quite some time this offense was feeding Bell and Brown and yes, they were getting their garbage, fantasy football yards but where were all of the damn touchdowns?? Where was the high scoring offense?? Supposedly we had the best WR in the game, the best RB in the game, yet where were the points?? The touchdowns???

This offense is going to be fine and new players will emerge and new stars will be born. Bell was not special. Brown was not special. Insert any player with some talent into this offense with Ben and this O-liine and they will produce too.

Where were the touchdowns? AB's 15 last year weren't enough production for one guy??

[K_C_]

I don't think it is unrealistic at all to think that the offense might NOT take a step back this season without Antonio Brown.

Why do I think the offense will be fine?? I look at recent history, like last season.

Leveon Bell being out the whole year and the offense improved?? The Red zone offense went to unheard of heights of efficiency? How can that be?

Bell was supposed to be this unquestioned God of a RB. His pass catching alone was deemed worthy enough that he should be paid like a 2nd WR too.

Funny how in what was it, the past 20 regular season games the trio of Rosie Nix, James Conner and Jaylin Samuels combined for 5 TD receptions.

Why is that significant? Because Leveon Bell in 62 regular season games scored just 7 TD receptions. Hell, Jaylin Samuels in just his rookie season scored 3 TDs in only 26 receptions. It would appear that if anything, Ben was wasting his time throwing to Bell, was less productive in getting TDs. How can Ben increase his TDs from last year? Improve upon 34 TDs?? Instead of averaging 1.75 TD passes to Bell per year, Ben could easily average 5-7 to Samuels/Conner moving forward.

For quite some time this offense was feeding Bell and Brown and yes, they were getting their garbage, fantasy football yards but where were all of the damn touchdowns?? Where was the high scoring offense?? Supposedly we had the best WR in the game, the best RB in the game, yet where were the points?? The touchdowns???

This offense is going to be fine and new players will emerge and new stars will be born. Bell was not special. Brown was not special. Insert any player with some talent into this offense with Ben and this O-liine and they will produce too.

Where were the touchdowns? AB's 15 last year weren't enough production for one guy??

Cotch had 10 by himself in one season.

He's been replaced.

So will Brown's 15.

[Scunge]

Yes, those 15 TDs last season by Brown was more of what I expect from the supposedly best WR in football. But for a supposed HOF WR like Brown to barely average 8 TDs a season over 9 years?? That sucks, especially when you are targeted and featured so much. Again where are the touchdowns??

Funny, how he was never able to produce that lofty total until he had another WR like JuJu to take some of the pressure off of him.

I am sorry, but everyone goes on and on about Brown and replacing those 15 TDs but it won't be hard at all. Ben does not care about your pedigree, of if you are a high drat pick or a lowly free agent, or whatever. He is going to throw TDs and continue to be a top QB regardless, he will make players rise up and become stars.

Ward had 11 TDs in a season with Ben, Mike Wallace had 10 TDs with Ben throwing to him, Cotchery had 10 TDs with Ben.

Ben has had 3 other WRs go over 1250+ yards receiving in a season, Holmes, Wallace and JuJu. If they had signed Burress instead of letting him leave for the Giants Ben would have done great things with him too.

Ben and the offense we have is made for WRs to do well and be productive, that is just fact. It was a perfect storm of events that led to Brown being the beneficiary of an offense that gave him so many targets and opportunities. It simply wasn't that he was this generational talent, he had talent and work ethic but he really did strike the lottery, he had everything any WR could ever want. Larry Fitzgerald understands this, he even commented as much this offseason.

The Raiders are going to find out just how much of a difference Ben was to AB. Those were some tight windows throwing to Brown, AB did not get that open, there were a lot of ballsy throws that Ben had to make, there were a lot of busted, scramble drills that Ben pulled off and gave AB time to uncover. I don't think you can just assume that Carr can do the same, or that another team, another offense can just replicate that. Carr was sacked, what was it, 51 times last season?? I see Brown causing Carr to throw way more INTs this season. Signing Laundry Jones seems to me to be confirmation that Gruden is hedging his bets, trying to figure out how to get the most of Brown, the transition, by having a QB who knew the Steeler offense and how to get Brown his touches.

The catch percentage that Brown had last year was 61.9%, the year before it was 62%, 5 years ago it was at 70%. It has been on a downward trend for 5 years, getting worse and worse. The Steelers needed to throw to Brown more and more because he was actually catching less and less of those targets. I think Brown will struggle with the Raiders. I don't think Carr has the arm talent of Ben, I don't think he has the improvisational skills of Ben.

[Legacy User]

Swiss unfortunately suffers from AB blindness. He actually thinks that all of ABs production is caused by AB alone, and has nothing to do with playing with a HOF QB for his entire fucking career and, last year, playing opposite a rising WR NFL star in JSS.

AB will be shit next year, and the Steelers will be better.

[K_C_]

Swiss unfortunately suffers from AB blindness. He actually thinks that all of ABs production is caused by AB alone, and has nothing to do with playing with a HOF QB for his entire fucking career and, last year, playing opposite a rising WR NFL star in JSS.

AB will be shit next year, and the Steelers will be better.

I don’t believe Swiss is putting enough stock in what Antonio Brown contributed in the way of disfunction in the locker room and what level a distraction he made himself the last few years with the Steelers. His bullshit has been brewing for a good while.

AB since the Facebook Live fiasco really, has been a blithering fucking idiot. Plain and simple. His ego went absolutely out of control and when you add in the biggest factor, his unhappiness over his contract (a big contract he had just signed himself, mind you) and the dude was a cancer. No two wars about it.

I don’t give a flying fuck about his talent or TD’s. AB became exactly like his recent mentor, Terrell Owens.

That fuckface was every bit as talented and productive as AB and yet, TO couldn’t keep a job. He was a team/coach killer.

TO wore out his welcome quickly wherever he went. The Raiders will soon tire of AB’s ego and mental illness.

Sending this piece of shit packing is going to wonders for our entire team.