James Harrison mega merged bed wetting thread.

[COR-TEN]

He wants to play and the steelers coach has no need for him. He's supposed to go home and be thankful? Can't he be thankful and, since this departure was "amicable" per his agent, go sign with someone else since the steelers head coach has no need for him?

There's no guarantee that he will even have to face the steelers again. These guys are professionals. They get paid to do a job. Harrison did a job for the steelers and got paid for it. He doesn't owe them anything. You pay me. I work. We're even.

Didn't the steelers benefit from him? 100 yard return in SB and DPOY? Do they owe him loyalty?

Well, "even" is subject to interpretation. It's possible that nobody would have ever heard of James Harrison or the 100 yard int return if it weren't for the steelers. Maybe yes, maybe no. It's clear to me it's a colossal fuck you to the steelers organization, or more specifically, Mike Tomlin.

I understand the business aspect, and it's his prerogative to change his mind about playing after having to be convinced to un-retire, but I don't think it's about money or business. Lets see what the numbers say. I can still think he's a self absorbed prick who thinks he knows more than the organization or coaching staff, and want's to sabotage the organization that gave him multiple chances to shine by signing with and exposing the steelers to the only real threat to another championship game for the steelers.

At least that's what the optics are. Whether he'll have an impact either way remains to be seen.

[Burghboy]

Until about an hour ago, James Harrison was one of my top 5 favorite Steelers of all time. Now James Harrison can go fuck himself. Steelers are winning the Superbowl and he can watch it happen from the comfort of his couch just like the rest of the Pats.

[FortyThree]

He's more valuable to them off the field than on the field.

The patriots know they need some inside intel... Harrison is the guy to give it.

What information could he possibl6 give them that they cant/won't gleam from tape?

Really?
Its only game tape that will help.
Are there tapes inside the Steelers locker room.
Video room.
Practice facility.
Plays they did not use vs. the Pats on game tape.
Game planning room, strategy.
Game film of Tomlin, Butler, Haleys brain.................and thought process ( thats a serious question )

We have seen a good number of plays the Steelers run on ran on offense last few games.
Think there is more they have not used. Practiced in pre-season.
Practice during the week....just have not used or found the right moment.....

Is there game tape of what the defensive players talk about during the week, at practice, gestures, signals, ......
What game tape exists of what happened in meeting after the Pats game. What they discussed.
The things they realized what they did wrong, what they need to do and will try to do in a rematch.
Some things they picked up during the game but could not convey to coaches during the game.

Do I need to go on.

43.
Please push the keyboard away.
You are in a time out for the rest of this thread.
The rest of the day.
Or at least until after rush hour.

Game Tape!
Your talking about Game Tape!
Come on Man!

Silly me, I remember that time Harrison spent in Cincy and how they swept the Steelers and scored 40 on them both times because James was able to tell Andy Dalton some obscure fact about Lawrence Timmons that he was able to exploit over and over.

[FortyThree]

I hate feeding the Belichick genius narrative but this is brilliant.
Who does NE likely play in the first round?KC
Who does Harrison absolutely OWN!?
The LT from the KC Chiefs named Eric Fisher!!

Anyone wanna bet how this turns out?

BB did not sign Harrison to drop into coverage .........

Well, that's what they are going to get. Put a TE stack on James' side and force him to cover McDonald or JJ or hold the point in the running game for 75% of his 12-15 plays.

The problem here is the OLB in this defense is asked to more than rush the passer because the bulk of those duties have been offloaded to the DL and the ILBs.

I don't want anyone beating the Pats but us. All of this angst over him is based on the DPOY James, not the 39-year-old guy battling a balky back for most of the year. If James can cover the Chiefs TE consistently or handle an exotic package with Hill or Hunt in a route- then we can all bitch and moan. But no one is going to let James off the hook letting him only rushing the passer. In the nickel as an edge rusher, he might just be effective- until they screen under him and force him to run 15 yards downfield to make a tackle.

But what about when he reveals the defense's secret handshake and Brady hits them with it during the game and absolutely FLOORS them?!?!?

[Suwanee88]

Instagram pic of Harrison with Brady.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdLjIUrgQd7 ... harrison92

I am going for my first Colonoscopy in the morning........( fact ) lol
I guess I just got primed after seeing that picture............

Art2 had his first colonoscopy in January 2002 when Robert Kraft and the Patriots started shoving footballs up Art2’s ass on an annual basis.

[Old School Steeler]

Trojan Horse

Tomlin is brilliant, he's switched to the double secret playbook and NE is expecting James' Intel. 4D chess. We've got this, they'll be talking about this for decades. They'll be a statue of the Thinker with Tomlin's face.

[Suwanee88]

Dysfunction/stupidity.

Harrison opened his mouth in the national media criticizing the Steelers and they waived him as an act of spite, could have waved McCullers instead. Now James is vindictive and motivated and will put it all on the line so he can say fuck you to Tomlin and the Steelers.

No one can answer if they thought through the possibility of this happening, but we can speculate that maybe they did but they did it anyway. Arrogance? Was it more important to say fuck you to James then deal with the possibility of all the Intel he could provide Belicheck? Did they consider the possibility that a rematch could hinge on one play and James could be that one play for whatever uniform he's wearing.

Or they could have played the fucking guy more this year.

[Legacy User]

I agree this "secrets" gamebook thing is overrated.

My issue is steeler pass rush depth is weakened, pats depth bolstered.

Hopefully Dupree or Watt don't get hurt, then this will be a non-issue from the perspective of steeler depth.

But I struggle to see how there is no value for a situational pass-rusher. Or at minimum veteran pass-rush depth.

End of the season? By no means. Criticizing people for being upset by this and strawmanning them into some BS that their being upset means they think the season is over, is dishonest.

But this wasn't properly played.

Hopefully Tomlin uses this to light a fire under Watt's and Dupree's asses.

[StillerDownSouth]

Dysfunction/stupidity.

Harrison opened his mouth in the national media criticizing the Steelers and they waived him as an act of spite, could have waved McCullers instead. Now James is vindictive and motivated and will put it all on the line so he can say fuck you to Tomlin and the Steelers.

No one can answer if they thought through the possibility of this happening, but we can speculate that maybe they did but they did it anyway. Arrogance? Was it more important to say fuck you to James then deal with the possibility of all the Intel he could provide Belicheck? Did they consider the possibility that a rematch could hinge on one play and James could be that one play for whatever uniform he's wearing.

Perhaps they realize from seeing him everyday that James is done?

Perhaps they're not afraid of a 39 year old guy with 1 sack on the year that he got against one of the worst left tackles in the game.

This x 10000....dude is old and slow, all of ya'll thought the coaches were saving him for the post season were mistaken, do you really think the coaches/front office would cut a dude like James if they thought he could still contribute anything? I hope he plays against us, but I don't see him getting on the field for the Patriots that much either, grateful for all he did while he was here, but its 2017 and he is washed up.

[swissvale72]

Cutting him isn't suddenly going to kill their chances.

Cutting him does not suddenly kill their chance.
Correct.
But it does not help their chances. At all.
And that the bottom line.

That's exactly right, Stosh. From strictly a player personnel standpoint, was totally unnecessary when they could have cut another guy (McCullers). And....it's deeper than what he was going to do/not do, for the Steelers. By cutting Harrison, Steelers brain trust has now strengthened a position of some weakness on the team with whom they will very likely compete for a berth in the Super Bowl.

Hopefully, this doesn't come back to haunt. If it does, Mike Tomlin will never, ever, ever, ever....live this down.

[Stosh-67]

My issue is steeler pass rush depth is weakened, pats depth bolstered.

Yup.

[swissvale72]

BB owns Tomlin.

Even if he does not play a snap.

How do I attack Villy.
See him in practice everyday for the last few years.
What is it that does not show up on film.......that we do not know.
What are the weak points of the Steelers OL.
What were some of the things they talked about that slowed down the Pats last week.

What are some of the things they were gonna do....but held back.

Even if Harrison if of zero use for intel, he potentially helps our primary competition at a position of some weakness for them. Tomlin HAD to know this could happen, yet let it happen. Let's hope Harrison really does have nothing left, hurts his back, can't play, etc.

[swissvale72]

BB owns Tomlin.

Even if he does not play a snap.

How do I attack Villy.
See him in practice everyday for the last few years.
What is it that does not show up on film.......that we do not know.
What are the weak points of the Steelers OL.
What were some of the things they talked about that slowed down the Pats last week.

What are some of the things they were gonna do....but held back.

Even if Harrison if of zero use for intel, he potentially helps our primary competition at a position of some weakness for them. Tomlin HAD to know this could happen, yet let it happen. Let's hope Harrison really does have nothing left, hurts his back, can't play, etc.

[swissvale72]

BB owns Tomlin.

Even if he does not play a snap.

How do I attack Villy.
See him in practice everyday for the last few years.
What is it that does not show up on film.......that we do not know.
What are the weak points of the Steelers OL.
What were some of the things they talked about that slowed down the Pats last week.

What are some of the things they were gonna do....but held back.

Even if Harrison if of zero use for intel, he potentially helps our primary competition at a position of some weakness for them. Tomlin HAD to know this could happen, yet let it happen. Let's hope Harrison really does have nothing left, hurts his back, can't play, etc.

[Suwanee88]

He's more valuable to them off the field than on the field.

The patriots know they need some inside intel... Harrison is the guy to give it.

What information could he possibl6 give them that they cant/won't gleam from tape?

Really?
Its only game tape that will help.
Are there tapes inside the Steelers locker room.
Video room.
Practice facility.
Plays they did not use vs. the Pats on game tape.
Game planning room, strategy.
Game film of Tomlin, Butler, Haleys brain.................and thought process ( thats a serious question )

We have seen a good number of plays the Steelers run on ran on offense last few games.
Think there is more they have not used. Practiced in pre-season.
Practice during the week....just have not used or found the right moment.....

Is there game tape of what the defensive players talk about during the week, at practice, gestures, signals, ......
What game tape exists of what happened in meeting after the Pats game. What they discussed.
The things they realized what they did wrong, what they need to do and will try to do in a rematch.
Some things they picked up during the game but could not convey to coaches during the game.

Do I need to go on.

43.
Please push the keyboard away.
You are in a time out for the rest of this thread.
The rest of the day.
Or at least until after rush hour.

Game Tape!
Your talking about Game Tape!
Come on Man!

Great post- also how about the emotional and psychological lift the Pats get by signing a guy like Deebo.

[K_C_]

I love watching FortyThree running around here, telling everyone why Harrison was signed, after he told everyone in the other thread Harrison wouldn’t be signed at all.

[swissvale72]

Instagram pic of Harrison with Brady.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdLjIUrgQd7 ... harrison92

I am going for my first Colonoscopy in the morning........( fact ) lol
I guess I just got primed after seeing that picture............

Steelers won Super Bowls after my first two colonoscopies. There may be some good luck in this, Stosh.

[swissvale72]

My mistake- the place is going to become unbearable BEFORE the playoffs.

You ever have football pads on jeemie?

No, I played baseball.

But I don't have to have put on pads to understand the outcry over this is fucking ridiculous.

...and you have that invaluable Blue Band experience!!

Sorry Jeems....couldn't resist!!

[Stallworth16]

Steelers dropped the ball on this one. And Deebo will bite them in the ass if he gets the opportunity.

[FortyThree]

Steelers dropped the ball on this one. And Deebo will bite them in the ass if he gets the opportunity.

I hope he enjoys chasing Lev Bell all over the field.

[swissvale72]

I agree this "secrets" gamebook thing is overrated.

My issue is steeler pass rush depth is weakened, pats depth bolstered.

Hopefully Dupree or Watt don't get hurt, then this will be a non-issue from the perspective of steeler depth.

But I struggle to see how there is no value for a situational pass-rusher. Or at minimum veteran pass-rush depth.

End of the season? By no means. Criticizing people for being upset by this and strawmanning them into some BS that their being upset means they think the season is over, is dishonest.

But this wasn't properly played.

Hopefully Tomlin uses this to light a fire under Watt's and Dupree's asses.

Totally on point, Miter!

[Legacy User]

like finding out your wifes banging a neighbor u always hated..

[BethlehemSteel]

Counter espionage

Or dumb Tomlin for letting him walk

JH did voice his displeasure over not seeing the field

Optics look bad on surface but JH did go to the press

[FortyThree]

like finding out your wifes banging a neighbor u always hated..

But if your wife is well past her prime and can't cover the pass anymore does it really matter?

[Legacy User]

Instagram pic of Harrison with Brady.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdLjIUrgQd7 ... harrison92

I am going for my first Colonoscopy in the morning........( fact ) lol
I guess I just got primed after seeing that picture............

Steelers won Super Bowls after my first two colonoscopies. There may be some good luck in this, Stosh.

Hey, had my first colonoscopy in October!

Championship.

Good luck Stosh. The prep is far more terrible than the event for which you'll be so drugged up you will remember nothing. Last thing I remember before blacking out was how weird it was for my teeth to seem to feel numb.

[randomsteelerfan]

BB owns Tomlin.

Even if he does not play a snap.

How do I attack Villy.
See him in practice everyday for the last few years.
What is it that does not show up on film.......that we do not know.
What are the weak points of the Steelers OL.
What were some of the things they talked about that slowed down the Pats last week.

What are some of the things they were gonna do....but held back.

Wrong-

Robert Krafts bitch is Art2. It’s embarrassing. That dude has no gumption.

What does this even mean? Why is he his bitch? What has Robert Kraft done that makes him so superior? Because I got nothing other than luckily hiring Belichick who luckily drafted Brady. Is that your basis?

I mean, embarrassing? Really? You're embarrassed to be a Steeler fan? Cause that is what you're saying. Let's just make this clear. You are embarrassed to be a Steeler fan. Fucking lunacy. That is fucking lunacy.

3rd most wins in the NFL since 2000. Pretty fucking successful since ARII took the reins in 2003.

I don't give two shits about Robert Kraft. When he's reloaded decade after decade after decade after decade like the Steelers have, then we'll talk. But for now, he got lucky and hired the right guy at the right time, nothing more.

[W&M_Steeler]

I love watching FortyThree running around here, telling everyone why Harrison was signed, after he told everyone in the other thread Harrison wouldn’t be signed at all.

FortyThree is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob when it comes to the Harrison situation.

[K_C_]

I love watching FortyThree running around here, telling everyone why Harrison was signed, after he told everyone in the other thread Harrison wouldn’t be signed at all.

FortyThree is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob when it comes to the Harrison situation.

He’s top imbecile around here, that’s for sure.

[BethlehemSteel]

Trojan Horse

Tomlin is brilliant, he's switched to the double secret playbook and NE is expecting James' Intel. 4D chess. We've got this, they'll be talking about this for decades. They'll be a statue of the Thinker with Tomlin's face.

It’s his last will and testament

In the legarettle Blount like situation

[randomsteelerfan]

BB owns Tomlin.

Even if he does not play a snap.

How do I attack Villy.
See him in practice everyday for the last few years.
What is it that does not show up on film.......that we do not know.
What are the weak points of the Steelers OL.
What were some of the things they talked about that slowed down the Pats last week.

What are some of the things they were gonna do....but held back.

Even if Harrison if of zero use for intel, he potentially helps our primary competition at a position of some weakness for them. Tomlin HAD to know this could happen, yet let it happen. Let's hope Harrison really does have nothing left, hurts his back, can't play, etc.

This is where I'm at. I must be missing something monumental if they're saying Dan McCullers is more valuable than James, on any level. Forget playing time/abilities. He's a legend in that locker room and revered by everyone from everything i've heard. He must have more value than Dan in that regard, at least. Then add in the above and I just don't get it.

Cut him after the season, no biggie. But to do it with 2 games left and a playoff run looming, baffling.