Emmanuel Sanders: Denver is 'wide receiver heaven'

[Nick79]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

It makes sense that Denver threw less by %, they probably had built big leads with their passing game in a lot of gamesand then just ran a lot late in games, while the Steelers especially early in the season had games where they fell way behind early, like NE and Chicago for expample, where they had to throw way more than they would have wanted to.

By using the "probably", is that how you justify it?

Yes, exactly, while I believe it, I'm not going to go back and check out the stats from every game, too time consuming for a forum that is just casual conversation. Yes, I do believe that Denver a high scoring team that went to the super Bowl had more leads in more games over the course of last season than 8-8 Pittsburgh, which lead them to run the ball more late in the games, I'm not demanding that you to agree with me, that's just my opinion. And it is in fact a reasonable position to take.

[Legacy User]

Yes, exactly, while I believe it, I'm not going to go back and check out the stats from every game, too time consuming for a forum that is just casual conversation. Yes, I do believe that Denver a high scoring team that went to the super Bowl had more leads in more games over the course of last season than 8-8 Pittsburgh, which lead them to run the ball more late in the games, I'm not demanding that you to agree with me, that's just my opinion. And it is in fact a reasonable position to take.

What I'm inferring from your assumption is you believe the Broncos would attain a lead, pop a big yinzer rock pounding orgamsic boner, and go to "grahnd and pahnd" instead of keeping their foot on the throttle and continue to rack up points?

Interesting, and ironic

[Legacy User]

Yes, exactly, while I believe it, I'm not going to go back and check out the stats from every game, too time consuming for a forum that is just casual conversation. Yes, I do believe that Denver a high scoring team that went to the super Bowl had more leads in more games over the course of last season than 8-8 Pittsburgh, which lead them to run the ball more late in the games, I'm not demanding that you to agree with me, that's just my opinion. And it is in fact a reasonable position to take.

What I'm inferring from your assumption is you believe the Broncos would attain a lead, pop a big yinzer rock pounding orgamsic boner, and go to "grahnd and pahnd" instead of keeping their foot on the throttle and continue to rack up points?

Interesting, and ironic

Excellent point. You don't mean to say, Nick, that the Broncos took their foot off the gas and didn't try to score with the pass every time they had the ball, are you?

[Kodiak]

I am a little interested to see how DEN uses Sanders and how he performs. I think he's a better receiver than most here give him credit for.

DEN obviously saw something in him that no one here did to give him nearly $6M/yr. And I'm told people paid to do this for a living know more than all of us, so clearly everyone here is wrong about Sanders.

[Legacy User]

I am a little interested to see how DEN uses Sanders and how he performs. I think he's a better receiver than most here give him credit for.

DEN obviously saw something in him that no one here did to give him nearly $6M/yr. And I'm told people paid to do this for a living know more than all of us, so clearly everyone here is wrong about Sanders.

So now you're ripping management for NOT keeping Sanders? Do they do anything at all right in your eyes? Good god man..

Btw, I didn't quite hate him like a lot of others, but he's far from irreplaceable.

[K_C_]

I am a little interested to see how DEN uses Sanders and how he performs. I think he's a better receiver than most here give him credit for.

DEN obviously saw something in him that no one here did to give him nearly $6M/yr. And I'm told people paid to do this for a living know more than all of us, so clearly everyone here is wrong about Sanders.

[Kodiak]

So now you're ripping management for NOT keeping Sanders? Do they do anything at all right in your eyes? Good god man..

Where the fuck did you get that from what I wrote? All I said was DEN clearly has a higher opinion here than we do. I said absolutely nothing about PIT keeping Sanders.

LMAO, I'm starting to understand why people are arguing with me so much. Good god, man, learn to read and think. And maybe KC will clue you in on the joke.

[Legacy User]

So now you're ripping management for NOT keeping Sanders? Do they do anything at all right in your eyes? Good god man..

Where the fuck did you get that from what I wrote? All I said was DEN clearly has a higher opinion here than we do. I said absolutely nothing about PIT keeping Sanders.

LMAO, I'm starting to understand why people are arguing with me so much. Good god, man, learn to read and think. And maybe KC will clue you in on the joke.

Oh ok sorry, I thought this was another one of your Steelers management doesn't know what they're doing/they suck and I can could do better like 99.9% of your posts. Please forgive me.

On second thought, don't.

[Nick79]

Yes, exactly, while I believe it, I'm not going to go back and check out the stats from every game, too time consuming for a forum that is just casual conversation. Yes, I do believe that Denver a high scoring team that went to the super Bowl had more leads in more games over the course of last season than 8-8 Pittsburgh, which lead them to run the ball more late in the games, I'm not demanding that you to agree with me, that's just my opinion. And it is in fact a reasonable position to take.

What I'm inferring from your assumption is you believe the Broncos would attain a lead, pop a big yinzer rock pounding orgamsic boner, and go to "grahnd and pahnd" instead of keeping their foot on the throttle and continue to rack up points?

Interesting, and ironic

Excellent point. You don't mean to say, Nick, that the Broncos took their foot off the gas and didn't try to score with the pass every time they had the ball, are you?

True, but they didn't start "pawndin' da rock" with a small lead, like 2 TDs or less ( a SMALL lead), they only had a single game where they scored less than 27. Go look at their scores, 20 was their lowest output for the year, they scored, scored then scored again before they started turtling.

[V DUB]

Actually it was 8 Nick...on the biggest stage, while trying to play catchup, so that includes garbage time points.

[Kodiak]

I've rarely seen a Manning offense take its foot off the gas. You don't become a stat whore by grinding clock, especially if you're chasing records.

LOL, I even remember a commercial with Manning where he's throwing a TD with less than 3 minutes left....already up 21+.

[Legacy User]

Since when is a 14 point lead considered small?

[Nick79]

Since when is a 14 point lead considered small?

Stuff like that is opinion based, like how much sugar you need in your coffee, there is no one absolute right answer that everyone can agree on. It's clear that scoring 14 points today, is different than say scoring 14 points in 1973, or '83 or even '93. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of games where 14 point leads where overcome quickly.

[Nick79]

...he's throwing a TD with less than 3 minutes left....already up 21+.

I don't see anything wrong with that, what's the risk? Risk is very minimal, why not keep having fun?

[Nick79]

Actually it was 8 Nick...on the biggest stage, while trying to play catchup, so that includes garbage time points.

I'm talking about the regular season. And they lost the Super Bowl, so what? Steelers lost the Super Bowl in 2010. I'd gladly take the Broncos 2013 season as a fan if offered. You can't win it all every year, having fun, enjoying how it plays out is just as important as winning it all. Steelers have only 6 titles in 81 years. The journey is more important than the destination, sure I want to win every year, but that's unrealistic, so in lieu of getting there every year, I'd be fine with a great season of enjoying wins for 3-4 months. The 2010 Steelers season was lots of fun too, losing the Super Bowl didn't kill me, it's the 2nd best result possible, I'll take it, you can't win 'em all. I hate those commercials that say "NFL fans live for the playoffs or the Super Bowl"... NOT ME! I'd rather have it be the 2nd week of October with 12-14 Sundays of football entertainment to live through than have it be Super Sunday.

[K_C_]

...he's throwing a TD with less than 3 minutes left....already up 21+.

I don't see anything wrong with that, what's the risk? Risk is very minimal, why not keep having fun?

You ever seen the Steelers do that?

Is there any indication that during your lifetime, you'll see the Steelers do something like that?

Why live in Fantasyland?

[Legacy User]

Since when is a 14 point lead considered small?

Stuff like that is opinion based, like how much sugar you need in your coffee, there is no one absolute right answer that everyone can agree on. It's clear that scoring 14 points today, is different than say scoring 14 points in 1973, or '83 or even '93. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of games where 14 point leads where overcome quickly.

Of course it's opinion, the way you stated it sounded like there was consensus. 17-3 and 41-27 are both 14 point leads.

I want to be the team that can maintain a 14 point lead, whether than means scoring more or keep the opponent from doing so.

[Kodiak]

I want to be the team that can maintain a 14 point lead, whether than means scoring more or keep the opponent from doing so.

I've seen very few teams around the league, especially PIT the last few years, that are able to maintain a 14-pt lead by becoming conservative on one or both sides of the ball.

You obviously try to be a little more conservative (aka smarter), but for the most part you have to keep playing your game until you have the decisive lead. Only late in Q4 would it make sense for a pass heavy team that runs pretty inconsistently to become a run heavy team. Otherwise, in PIT case, maybe safer/quicker passes but they would still throw the ball 45-50% of the time.

[Steel Mike]

I'd love to see Nick coach a peewee team.

He'd be sticking up for the kids getting in trouble in school, looking past bad grades, running up the score, and generally piss everyone off.

[Nick79]

...he's throwing a TD with less than 3 minutes left....already up 21+.

I don't see anything wrong with that, what's the risk? Risk is very minimal, why not keep having fun?

You ever seen the Steelers do that?

Is there any indication that during your lifetime, you'll see the Steelers do something like that?

Why live in Fantasyland?

I'm not talking about the Steelers, I'm just saying that IMO opinion, I have no problem with doing that, it's not a risk and it's not that big a deal. And if I sent out my back up QB, I'd rather have him build confidence by doing SOMETHING MORE than kneeling down. My comment has nothing to do with whether the Steelers would ever do that or not specifically. I just don't have any idea at all what is wrong with doing that, never did? And me feeling that way has nothing to do with me being a Steelers fan or not, because there is no specific set of beliefs you MUST follow to be a Steelers fan.

[Nick79]

I'd love to see Nick coach a peewee team.

He'd be sticking up for the kids getting in trouble in school, looking past bad grades, running up the score, and generally piss everyone off.

I don't think so, 1st off, I've been coaching girls soccer the last 5 years, and I have no idea what the girls' grades are like or whether they got in trouble or not at school, other than my daughter, my daughter did have detention once, but that didn't effect whether she'd play in the next game or not, Should I have suspended her for that week ? And it is soccer, so you never stop trying to score, I think the biggest win we ever had was 11-3 about 3 years ago, so what? It's just a game, somebody wins, somebody loses, you never stop playing your best.

[Nick79]

I want to be the team that can maintain a 14 point lead, whether than means scoring more or keep the opponent from doing so.

I've seen very few teams around the league, especially PIT the last few years, that are able to maintain a 14-pt lead by becoming conservative on one or both sides of the ball.

You obviously try to be a little more conservative (aka smarter), but for the most part you have to keep playing your game until you have the decisive lead. Only late in Q4 would it make sense for a pass heavy team that runs pretty inconsistently to become a run heavy team. Otherwise, in PIT case, maybe safer/quicker passes but they would still throw the ball 45-50% of the time.

AGREED ^^^ This is what I'm saying, I don't think 14 is enough to stop trying to score or go into a shell.

[Steelafan77]

I remember reading that Sanders likes the denver mannings offense better cause he is being asked to do less. Namely, he won't be forced to block for team mates. Can't remember the interview article I read that but I remember Sanders making statements about how much better his assignments were in the manning offense and that he was more comfortable with them feeling like they suited him perfectly. Sanders is soft but that comes as no surprise here.

[Legacy User]

I'd probably rather run Denver's routes too. Most WR probably would too. Seriously who the hell wants to block for running plays. They have guys for that. They're called lineman.

I can see sanders putting up good numbers there. Remember the patsies wanted Manny too. Not for #1 role but he's not viewed as a flash in pan either.

Also count me as believing you can never really run out the clock in the game today. There are just too many games like us vs Miami last year. Too much random shit can. Take any two games any week and unless one team us really perennial bottom 5 it's pretty wide open. I mean send like giants down to SD. You can imagine a blowout either way or a down to wire thing.

Milking the clock game managing is just loser strategy.

[Legacy User]

I want to be the team that can maintain a 14 point lead, whether than means scoring more or keep the opponent from doing so.

I've seen very few teams around the league, especially PIT the last few years, that are able to maintain a 14-pt lead by becoming conservative on one or both sides of the ball.

You obviously try to be a little more conservative (aka smarter), but for the most part you have to keep playing your game until you have the decisive lead. Only late in Q4 would it make sense for a pass heavy team that runs pretty inconsistently to become a run heavy team. Otherwise, in PIT case, maybe safer/quicker passes but they would still throw the ball 45-50% of the time.

It all depends on how you look at it. I see those scores as different types of games, which happens during the season. I wasn't talking about being conservative in any way. I was talking about being able to win games in multiple ways.

A 41-27 game is one where you must continue to attack on offense because the other team is either capable of scoring on your offense, the D is having a bad day or because shit happens.

A 17-3 game is one where the defense must carry the day. It's a defensive struggle, the O is having a bad day, conditions are horrible, or because shit happens.

[Legacy User]

I want to be the team that can maintain a 14 point lead, whether than means scoring more or keep the opponent from doing so.

I've seen very few teams around the league, especially PIT the last few years, that are able to maintain a 14-pt lead by becoming conservative on one or both sides of the ball.

You obviously try to be a little more conservative (aka smarter), but for the most part you have to keep playing your game until you have the decisive lead. Only late in Q4 would it make sense for a pass heavy team that runs pretty inconsistently to become a run heavy team. Otherwise, in PIT case, maybe safer/quicker passes but they would still throw the ball 45-50% of the time.

AGREED ^^^ This is what I'm saying, I don't think 14 is enough to stop trying to score or go into a shell.

I didn't say anything about going into a shell or stopping trying to score. It is of note that maintaining a 14 point lead gets interpreted that way.

[Legacy User]

Why wouldn't the offense Manning runs be considered as great for receivers? He's had a lot of success spreading it around and getting production out of a variety of guys. It's WR friendly. Great for Sanders.

Of course, he has to hold onto the ball regardless of the offense, if he had done that better here, we could have had more success. As the SB reminded us, as have past playoff games, any offense can get shut down.

[bradshaw2ben]

I remember reading that Sanders likes the denver mannings offense better cause he is being asked to do less. Namely, he won't be forced to block for team mates. Can't remember the interview article I read that but I remember Sanders making statements about how much better his assignments were in the manning offense and that he was more comfortable with them feeling like they suited him perfectly. Sanders is soft but that comes as no surprise here.

you're talking about our best WR blocker since he's been here-- what does that say about the remaining guys?

[Steelafan77]

It says they aren't good blockers. Not every Steeler WR is going to live up to the Hines Ward standard. Whether that be because of the size of their heart or the size of their body is debatable. I never noticed Sanders blocking skills in game so IMO it wasn't awful but it wasn't great either.

[K_C_]

I remember reading that Sanders likes the denver mannings offense better cause he is being asked to do less. Namely, he won't be forced to block for team mates. Can't remember the interview article I read that but I remember Sanders making statements about how much better his assignments were in the manning offense and that he was more comfortable with them feeling like they suited him perfectly. Sanders is soft but that comes as no surprise here.

you're talking about our best WR blocker since he's been here-- what does that say about the remaining guys?

It says that maybe Sanders should have added a ton of weight and became an o-lineman.

They don't have to catch footballs.