Steelers history of finding the next QB...

[Jobu]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

Boom…mutha fuckas.

[TTP]

Apparently, Kyler Murray has stripped his social media accounts of any reference to the Cardinals and appears to be unhappy with the team. Maybe. If Murray was available in a trade, should the Steelers be interested?

He's young, has improved every year, and looks to be at least a perennial Pro Bowl player going forward. On the other hand, he's probably demanding a boat load of money and it would require a crap ton of resources to get him.

I guess it really depends on your view of Murray the player. If you think he's a top 5 caliber QB (I don't) the cost almost doesn't matter.

[Jobu]

Apparently, Kyler Murray has stripped his social media accounts of any reference to the Cardinals and appears to be unhappy with the team. Maybe. If Murray was available in a trade, should the Steelers be interested?

He's young, has improved every year, and looks to be at least a perennial Pro Bowl player going forward. On the other hand, he's probably demanding a boat load of money and it would require a crap ton of resources to get him.

I guess it really depends on your view of Murray the player. If you think he's a top 5 caliber QB (I don't) the cost almost doesn't matter.

I like Murray, but I can’t get past the fact that he’s 5’8”. I don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than he is now…good, never good enough.

[Stlcrtn1974]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

Unitis and Dawson wernt bad.

[Steelperch]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

Unitis and Dawson wernt bad.

They completed fewer combined passes for the Steelers than Antwaan Randle El.

[Stlcrtn1974]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

Unitis and Dawson wernt bad.

They completed fewer combined passes for the Steelers than Antwaan Randle El.

You wrote "found a QB twice in 90 years" just pointing out they found those 2 as well, not trying to break balls here.

[Ice]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

I hear Bobby Layne was good.

Not sure digging that deep for a counterclaim doesn't basically prove his point.

[MJG75]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

I hear Bobby Layne was good.

He was. Helluva player. My kind of player. In fact, i believe he is the 3rd best QB in franchise history after Brad and Ben. But when we got Bobby, he was a tad over the hill (not that he had to get that far to fall over) and we didn't win any championships with him at QB. Only B & B have that distinction.

[BethlehemSteel]

I read a lot of different views of what the Steelers should or should not do. Don't just grab a QB in this draft, wait until 2023. Wait a couple years and build the trenches. Some others say grab a vet QB to be the bridge for a few years until the time is right, then pounce on the right prospect.

I don't think there is one right answer and it really involves a lot of dumb blind luck. If you had told me how the events of the 2004 draft would unfold beforehand and that we would be able to draft our HOF QB at pick 11, I would not have believed you. Nobody would have. Ben was the 3rd QB chosen after Manning pouted like a baby and forced a trade that saw both Eli and Rivers going before Ben, causing Ben to slide right to us. It was all such dumb blind luck.

The years between Bradshaw and Ben are known as dark times, a wasteland of QB play by some. I lived through those years and was a fan of those teams and as I always say to people, other teams would love to have the success of those 1983 to 2003 Steelers teams.

Those Steeler teams in that 21 year period, went 186-150-1 from Bradshaw's last game to Ben's first game. That is roughly a 9-7 record over that stretch, with 9 division crowns and 2 other seasons in which we made the playoffs, so 11 total seasons that we went to the post season. We played in 20 playoff games, with a record of 9-11. In 1984, 1994, 1995, 1997 and 2001 we made the AFC Championship game. 5 AFC championship games with 4 of those being losses, we did win in 1995 to get to the Super Bowl but lost to the Cowboys.

So, that 'wasteland', those 'dark times' between Bradshaw and Ben, we went 186-150-1, made the playoffs 11 times, had a 9-11 playoff record, made the AFC championship game 5 times and went to the Super Bowl one time. Again, there are teams in the NFL that would love to have that success.

Who were the quarterbacks of those times? Well, Mark Malone was a first round pick in 1980. He got his chance in 1984 and that year was one of my fondest Steeler teams. Who can forget Louis Lipps? Or John Stallworth's great comeback player of the year tour de force? 80 catches, 1,395 yards and 11 TDs? Or how about Mike Merriweather notching 15 sacks? That team made it to the AFC championship game but lost to some guy named Dan Marino.

Bubby Brister was a 3rd round pick in 1986, in 1989 that was a fun ride for that playoff run. They had an overtime win against the Houston Oilers and then lost a very close game to the Denver Broncos losing 24-23. It was always great to watch Noll stick it to Jerry Glanville at that time. The defense was really starting to have players emerge. Lloyd was over his injuries and starting to shine, Woodson made the Pro Bowl, Lake started 15 games as a rookie at SS.

Neil O'Donnell was a 3rd round pick in 1990. He had a 3-4 playoff record and we went to the playoffs 4 straight years and made 2 AFC championship game appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.

Kordell Stewart was a 2nd round pick in 1995. We had 2 AFC championship game appearances with him as the QB.

The Steelers would routinely bring in failed high first round draft picks and lowly journeymen QBs to be backup QBs. Todd Blackledge, Mike Tomczak, etc

A few times they would take a flyer on a former first round QB in hopes of finding a starter. Tommy Maddox, Paxton Lynch, Dwayne Haskins with Maddox being the most successful of that group, so far. I don't really think Haskins is the answer, but still, them bringing him in is consistent with what the Steeler have done over the years.

Mason Rudolph was a 3rd round pick in 2018. I am not going to mention the 4th rounders they have taken such as Laundry Jones or Josh Dobbs because I think there is a clear distinction in a Steeler QB taken in rounds 3 and higher and those taken after that 3rd round.

I view the Steelers finding a QB, a legitimate starting QB that can make you a winning franchise and get you to the playoffs, like taking a chance on scatchoff lottery tickets. They are going to bring in failed former high picks, like a Haskins, spend 2nd and 3rd rounders on the Stewart and O'Donnell and Rudolphs and eventually spend a first rounder on somebody.

But let us not think that spending a first or 2nd rounder on a QB is going to set this franchise back, or somehow be a misstep. This team, all teams routinely blow first and second round picks and most have a hard time resigning the ones that are successful when their rookie contracts are up. If the Steelers want to spend a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick, say every other year or every 3rd year in trying to find a QB, I am all for it. You feed the position, you take as many chances as you want within reason. So you spend a 2nd rounder on a QB that does not work out, so what? I mean gasp, that 2nd rounder could have been Sean Davis or a Mike Adams, right?

To me the Steelers would be wise to find a vet QB like a Mitch Trubisky to be the bridge QB and then take a chance on a developmental QB in say round 2 either this year or next while you fill out the trenches and roster.

One thing is certain, just because the Steelers do not have a franchise QB currently on the roster does not mean they will be perennial losers that never make the playoffs. Without a Ben or Terry, this Steelers team still made 5 AFC championship games and made it to 1 Super Bowl.

Thanks for the relive in words. Those years were an eternity and heart wrenching

[MJG75]

Scunge, bro, that is one fine piece of work. Very well done. And reinforces one thing that I've always said. If looked at objectively and not as the decade following the decade of possibly the greatest era of football, with the Steelers rising above that pack--if looked at outside of that context, the 80s were really not that bad, and approximately 2/3 of the NFL in any given season and any given decade, would have been stoked to have been that successful. But, of course, for us, following the unprecedented and still to be matched 4 in 6, it was considered a huge disappointment and failure, somewhat naturally. The 90s were an even better decade, saw us make a SB appearance in a losing effort, and as you point out, we are in the playoffs 7 of 10 seasons, making 3 AFC championship games, winning one. That isn't a great decade, but it is just a hair below great. If it had produced the one Lombardi that it should have at least, we would consider it great.
If we had had a decade like that for the 2010s we would have been a little happier with things, perhaps, but while we are a formidable fan base, the incredible success of that 70s decade has pretty much irrevocably spoiled us. Lombardi or bust, for us, as it should be, but when the dust settles, and the passion cools a bit, it is a good idea to reflect, as you have done so brilliantly here, upon the overall picture to gain a measure of perspective. But I will say, along with the rest, while the 80s and even more so the 90s, for as entertaining and exciting as they were, still felt empty at the time, and perhaps the 2010s with 6 playoff appearances and one AFC Championship game loss, isn't as bad as it seems given that context. Were the 80s, with 4 playoff appearances and one losing AFC Championship appearance, better?

There were two factors that also should be considered and may weigh in on why some fans feel we are headed for some rough times. One is coaching and coaching philosophy, as well as front office support. Possibly the most knowledgeable front office football man ever was Dan Rooney (yes he beats out Al Davis but it is somewhat close as much as I hate Davis). Possibly the second most ever was his brother, Art Rooney, Jr. Then you had HOF scouts like Bill Nunn. Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher aligned with that philosophy perfectly, and while they weren't always successful, they executed it with precision and effectiveness that, as you point out, don't always result in championships, but do keep a team competitive and in the hunt, where anything can happen. I know I hear the groans from some, but these two coaches made every effort to ensure that we had a strong, punishing defense, and a strong running game. Add the AFL flavor of a deep vertical passing game, and in those seasons we won the Lombardi. Chuck's approach was fundamentals, practice techniques and develop good habits and game day will be like a fun walk through. Cowher had a slightly different approach, but both strove for that combo of a strong running game, and a physical opportunistic defense. Both coaches also maintained a staff of innovative and well schooled assistant coaches. I don't mean this to be an indictment on Mike Tomlin, but I don't see this level of coaching commitment nor expertise with the current team. Not to mention the other factors of FO, scouting, etc. So coaching and scouting can play a major role beyond the skill level of the QB. These factors, including the strong D and run game, can help a less skilled QB be successful, and a more skilled QB win championships. It is somewhat simplistic, of course, but I always thought that it was Mean Joe and the defense that got us to the post season, but it was Terry who made sure we came out with Ws and hardware in the end, more often than not. And this leads to the second element that is missing from your excellent analysis.

I'm talking here about the IT factor. It can't be measured most of the time, it is an intangible, and it is also true that QBs alone don't win games, but I have to say you know a winner when you see one. I did watch most of the talking TV heads reflecting on Ben's retirement and career and struggling to say something meaningful, the one description, one word, that was consistent and rose above the din: Winner. You could say the same of Terry. Even more so. If someone were to be presented with Terry's regular season stats only with no context, they would be flabbergasted that such an apparently mediocre QB is in the HOF. Yet he is. Because when the big lights came on, Terry turned it on big time. He had that IT factor, not only an unquenchable will to win, but the talent and abilities to help make that dream a reality. It is something that is difficult to predict or measure. Seriously, did anyone think in 2000 that Tom Brady would become <in voice of God, John Facenda's booming tones> TOM BRADY?? Nope, which goes right to your point about a lot of picking QB horses is sheer blind dumb luck. As much as we would prefer not to have it be that way.

Look, we had some QBs between B & B who could win games, but these QBs would have needed great play by the defense and run game to win big games matched against the best teams that particular season. We just didn't get it. NOD came the closest, and he had a great 95 season, no question, but you could see as the team advanced deeper into the playoffs his sphincter tightened up, and more of his tosses were high and wide than they were during the regular season. You saw it every time. QBs with IT factors make plays when you need them most, that 3rd and long at a critical moment, down a score late in the 4th. While Ben didnt exactly light it up in SB 40, he provided the leadership and made just enough plays to help us win that game. Ill never forget the 3rd and forever pass play to Hines that put us in position to score at a critical time before the half. QBs lacking this quality, need elements of their supporting cast and coaches to make plays and calls in critical moments to help them succeed. Through those years we just never saw that, someone step up and have a huge sack day or huge INT day or you get the point. I remember being so damn frustrated watching 90s Blitzburgh get watered down in the post season. Where was Lloyd then? KG? Woodson? They didn't seem to step up enough when the big lights were on, and none of those teams had a QB who could carry a team on their backs or make crucial plays in crucial moments against the best teams.


You are certainly correct in that the approach is the same from a team standpoint. I'd like to think our ownership is still Irish enough that we will have some more of that blind luck you were talking about!

[Mick]

I guess it really depends on your view of Murray the player. If you think he's a top 5 caliber QB (I don't) the cost almost doesn't matter.

cost is half the story though.

Value added = [play value] - [cost].

Burrow this year with a $6M cap hit is one of the best values in football. Brady last year with a $10M cap hit was one of the best values in football. Mahomes in 2019 with a $4.5M cap hit was one of the best values in football.

The worst thing you can do is give up a bunch of draft picks to acquire a player that you are going to have to pay as much he is worth…at which point, he adds zero value. The easiest way to get ahead is to have a competent C1 QB. He doesn’t even have to be that good! Flacco! Wentz! If you do happen to have a great team just lacking a QB, acquiring a capable vet and backloading the contract buys you a window (e.g., Stafford 2021, Brady 2020, etc), but it’s not a long term strategy because the bill comes due.

[SteelerDayTrader]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

Truth

[SteelerDayTrader]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

I hear Bobby Layne was good.

For the Lions yes......for the Steelers a drunk buddy for Art

[MJG75]

The Steelers have “found a QB” twice in 90 years. Some of the doorknobs who rushed the last one out the door will be in for a rude awakening.

I hear Bobby Layne was good.

For the Lions yes......for the Steelers a drunk buddy for Art

you aren't far wrong but he could still play some. He had an IT factor to his QB game, even if he closed out the bars and the after hours party just before showing up for kickoff at 1pm.

[franco32]

I don't mind trading away picks to go after the guy you believe in at QB. I do have a massive problem giving up a 1, 2, and 3 for an ILB who sucks. The Devin Bush trade, spurred by Tomlin, was catastrophically bad for our franchise. They thought Ben would hold up and all we needed was a stud ILB to keep the D together.

You just don't spend a 1, 2, and 3 on a questionable ILB. Honestly, I wouldn't have spent that on Devin White and I think he's a fantastic player.

Do you know who was picked only THREE spots in front of Bush. That's right...Josh Allen. Let that sink in. This franchise lacks foresight. Far too often they are reactive in fixing problems (aging Oline, aging QB, etc.)...rather than proactive.

We all know that none of this year's QBs merit trading away draft picks. Frankly, they don't merit Rd 1 picks spent on them. I could live with Pickett at 20 or Strong in the 2nd or 3rd. Anything else really is a disaster unless you are talking Ridder in the 3rd.

I wouldn't spend even a 5th on Willis.

[955876]

I don't mind trading away picks to go after the guy you believe in at QB. I do have a massive problem giving up a 1, 2, and 3 for an ILB who sucks. The Devin Bush trade, spurred by Tomlin, was catastrophically bad for our franchise. They thought Ben would hold up and all we needed was a stud ILB to keep the D together.

You just don't spend a 1, 2, and 3 on a questionable ILB. Honestly, I wouldn't have spent that on Devin White and I think he's a fantastic player.

Do you know who was picked only THREE spots in front of Bush. That's right...Josh Allen. Let that sink in. This franchise lacks foresight. Far too often they are reactive in fixing problems (aging Oline, aging QB, etc.)...rather than proactive.

We all know that none of this year's QBs merit trading away draft picks. Frankly, they don't merit Rd 1 picks spent on them. I could live with Pickett at 20 or Strong in the 2nd or 3rd. Anything else really is a disaster unless you are talking Ridder in the 3rd.

I wouldn't spend even a 5th on Willis.

Yep. This.

[Scunge]

In terms of the salary cap, I think this is the most amount money that they have had to work with in quite some time. And yes, I think that $34 million number will jump to $50-60 million pretty easily with just 3 or 4 moves.

If Zach Banner can't play with all the issues we had last season, then cutting him is easy, that is $5 million right there, replacing him with a rookie OT might be a cap hit of $1 million or less.

You cut Joe Schobert and that $9 million price tag and instead hope Buddy Johnson and a rookie ILB, perhaps a 3rd round or 4th round pick can do the job, again, that rookie may have a cap hit of $800,000.

So, you cut Banner and Schobert, draft say a 2nd round OT and a 3rd round ILB and you still save $12 million.

With Minkah and Boz, yes, they are in the last year of their contracts but they count $15 million against the cap and giving them NEW contracts, extending them, will actually Free up money. TJ Watt signed that new mega contract and his first year cap hit went down $2 million from the 5th years option he was on beforehand.

New contracts to Minkah and Boz will save $3 million.

Banner cut, Schobert cut, extended MInkah, extended Boz, drafted a 2nd round OT, drafted a 3rd round ILB, almost $50 million under the salary cap!

Tuitt put his home up for sale supposedly, does anybody really think he wants to play football anymore, or at least wants to in Pittsburgh? I say he is either cut or traded to somebody, so $9 million freed up.

The Steelers can take ALL of that $9 million and put that ALONE towards resigning Witherspoon and Adams AND have money left over. Witherspoon something like 3 years, $21 million, $5 million cap hit and Adams, say a 3 year, $10 million, with a cap hit of $2.5 million.

Tuitt cut, Witherspoon and Adams given new contracts and the team is at $50.5 million in cap space.

People get so intimidated by the large per year salary and don't comprehend the first year cap hit is so much lower. Take DJ for example. Lot of chatter lately about how people predict a contract of $15-16 million per year for him. How much of a cap hit would that be?

Could be as low as $4 million. Don't believe me? Cooper Kupp signed for a $15.75 million average and his first year cap hit was $3.4 million. Cortland Sutton signed a $15 million per year average with Denver and had a first year cap hit of $4.2 million.

Let us have Diontae Johnson sign a 4 year, $60 million contract with a cap hit of $4 million, leaving the Steelers with $46.5 million in cap space.

Honestly, none of what I am typing is unrealistic at all. The Steelers have a lot of money and ammo to sign, extend and pursue free agents this year without mortgaging the farm.

Remember they can go nuts, go crazy and they can keep that ace up their sleeve and only use it if they absolutely have to. What am I talking about? TJ Watt.

The Steelers historically, like clockwork, structure their core, super star players to do a massive restructure in that player's second year. They have done this with literally, every single big name player in this fashion. DeCastro, Tuitt, Heyward, the list goes on and on and on.

Say the Steelers go nuts and leave themselves dangerously thin by the start of the season. They can simply go to Watt, do a restructure and free up $17 million, JUST, LIKE, THAT, poof, suddenly they have that cushion to start the season with no worries.

I can't wait for March to see what they do, the more they do early in free agency will give them more options in terms of the draft.

[USS Steelerworks]

When people refer to the barren wasteland of the 1980s Steelers I think there needs to be clarification between early 80s Steelers and late 80s Steelers. Because in the early 80s the Steelers still had the remnants of the 70s dynasty on the roster and from 1980-1984 made the playoffs 3 out of 5 years, very narrowly missing out the other two years and had no losing seasons making the AFC title game once.

Now 1985-1988 - agree. Those were some terrible teams and really the only truly bad era of the franchise since 1972.

[langer]

This makes Kyler Murray sound more emotionally wacked out than Korky. Which means he's perfect for the job, obviously if you will..

On Sunday, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen created a Sunday splash with his report that, “The odd vibe between the Cardinals and Kyler Murray is indeed alarming: Murray is described as self-centered, immature and finger pointer, per sources.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... er-murray/

[MJG75]

When people refer to the barren wasteland of the 1980s Steelers I think there needs to be clarification between early 80s Steelers and late 80s Steelers. Because in the early 80s the Steelers still had the remnants of the 70s dynasty on the roster and from 1980-1984 made the playoffs 3 out of 5 years, very narrowly missing out the other two years and had no losing seasons making the AFC title game once.

Now 1985-1988 - agree. Those were some terrible teams and really the only truly bad era of the franchise since 1972.

That is an interesting point. It could have even been 5 of 5 if one thing was different each season of 1980 and 1981. Injuries and age were the main culprit for the decline. You could see it as early as 1979. The Oilers for all practical purposes sacrificed themselves, as they did us a huge favor beating SD that year in the divisional round. SD was not a good match-up for us and we would have had to play away. The Oilers upset worked to our advantage as we had home field and a much better match up for us.

But back to your point. In 1980, Matt Bahr missed several kicks that would have been the difference in the game. If he makes 2 of them, we sit at 11-5 and make it in. I would not have expected us to go far as we practically had no pass rush all year, but we would have been there. In 1981, the season ending injury to Brad late in the season when we were 8-5 and poised to compete for a post-season spot. We lost all 3 games Brad was out.

85-88. We truly were not as bad as the records, other than the QB play, which was largely the reason for them. The roster was more fully turned over by then, and they struggled to pull it together. They were tough seasons to watch, but I did enjoy some things about them.

[franco32]

I just saw a mock draft of the Steelers trading up to the 17th spot to select Malik Willis. I almost threw up my breakfast.

This has got to stop. Nothing could set this franchise back further than drafting a complete reach at QB, throwing multiple picks at it, and then feeling like you have to invest the next 5 years into "developing" the guy. You know FOR CERTAIN that if we enter a Willis Wasteland and get very high future picks, Tomlin will not give up on the QB he selected (out of pride) and he will pass up on tremendous future QBs to prove he can make Willis work.

Colbert...if there is one last thing you do for this organization...one thing only....please stop that nonsense.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz

Colbert is gonna draft Willis or a NOD type QB in this draft

It will be his last mediocre act and it will set this team back big time

[franco32]

Lolololz

Colbert is gonna draft Willis or a NOD type QB in this draft

It will be his last mediocre act and it will set this team back big time

I'd rather have NOD than Korky...that's for sure.

[Jizz Mop]

Lolololz

Colbert is gonna draft Willis or a NOD type QB in this draft

It will be his last mediocre act and it will set this team back big time

I'd rather have NOD than Korky...that's for sure.

Neil was a statue pretty much

I think Kordell’s ability to tuck it and run was awesome….now if he could only throw w accuracy.

Who remembers this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DlQYIFDJLr8

[franco32]

What I remember about Kordell was the 1997 AFC Championship Game where he's throwing way late into double coverage twice. He's picked in the end zone both times. Kordell could run like the wind but he was not a QB. Remember Bill Romanowski trolling him by banging his forehead after that BONEHEADED INT in the the second half when we were inside the 10??? I'll never forget it.

Willis reminds me a lot of Kordell. I've been watching a lot of his film. Great runner. Great arm. Accuracy is poor. His decision making is very questionable because he makes late throws all over the place. He doesn't throw with anticipation.

Poor accuracy, questionable vision, late with throws. This is guy guy who "lit up the Senior Bowl" and we want to trade up for??? FCK ME. I can't stand when the media build up these pre-draft heroes. All you have to do is look at the film and it doesn't lie.

[El Kabong]

What I remember about Kordell was the 1997 AFC Championship Game where he's throwing way late into double coverage twice. He's picked in the end zone both times. Kordell could run like the wind but he was not a QB. Remember Bill Romanowski trolling him by banging his forehead after that BONEHEADED INT in the the second half when we were inside the 10??? I'll never forget it.

Willis reminds me a lot of Kordell. I've been watching a lot of his film. Great runner. Great arm. Accuracy is poor. His decision making is very questionable because he makes late throws all over the place. He doesn't throw with anticipation.

Poor accuracy, questionable vision, late with throws. This is guy guy who "lit up the Senior Bowl" and we want to trade up for??? FCK ME. I can't stand when the media build up these pre-draft heroes. All you have to do is look at the film and it doesn't lie.

If Willis is Kordell II, then I want no part.

[RemoAZ]

What I remember about Kordell was the 1997 AFC Championship Game where he's throwing way late into double coverage twice. He's picked in the end zone both times. Kordell could run like the wind but he was not a QB. Remember Bill Romanowski trolling him by banging his forehead after that BONEHEADED INT in the the second half when we were inside the 10??? I'll never forget it.

Willis reminds me a lot of Kordell. I've been watching a lot of his film. Great runner. Great arm. Accuracy is poor. His decision making is very questionable because he makes late throws all over the place. He doesn't throw with anticipation.

Poor accuracy, questionable vision, late with throws. This is guy guy who "lit up the Senior Bowl" and we want to trade up for??? FCK ME. I can't stand when the media build up these pre-draft heroes. All you have to do is look at the film and it doesn't lie.

If Willis is Kordell II, then I want no part.

A great athlete that can't actually play QB. That's what I'm convinced we'll get. Hope I'm wrong.

[Jizz Mop]

What I remember about Kordell was the 1997 AFC Championship Game where he's throwing way late into double coverage twice. He's picked in the end zone both times. Kordell could run like the wind but he was not a QB. Remember Bill Romanowski trolling him by banging his forehead after that BONEHEADED INT in the the second half when we were inside the 10??? I'll never forget it.

Willis reminds me a lot of Kordell. I've been watching a lot of his film. Great runner. Great arm. Accuracy is poor. His decision making is very questionable because he makes late throws all over the place. He doesn't throw with anticipation.

Poor accuracy, questionable vision, late with throws. This is guy guy who "lit up the Senior Bowl" and we want to trade up for??? FCK ME. I can't stand when the media build up these pre-draft heroes. All you have to do is look at the film and it doesn't lie.

I was at the 97 AFCG

devastating loss

[Stlcrtn1974]

What I remember about Kordell was the 1997 AFC Championship Game where he's throwing way late into double coverage twice. He's picked in the end zone both times. Kordell could run like the wind but he was not a QB. Remember Bill Romanowski trolling him by banging his forehead after that BONEHEADED INT in the the second half when we were inside the 10??? I'll never forget it.

Willis reminds me a lot of Kordell. I've been watching a lot of his film. Great runner. Great arm. Accuracy is poor. His decision making is very questionable because he makes late throws all over the place. He doesn't throw with anticipation.

Poor accuracy, questionable vision, late with throws. This is guy guy who "lit up the Senior Bowl" and we want to trade up for??? FCK ME. I can't stand when the media build up these pre-draft heroes. All you have to do is look at the film and it doesn't lie.

I was at the 97 AFCG

devastating loss

Especially since he had probably his best career game a few weeks earlier against the same Broncos.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Colbert is gonna draft Willis

Classic Colbert pick type