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Re: The QB Situation in the NFL Is a ShitSHOW

Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:33 am

El Kabong wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:18 am
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:43 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:33 pm
Let’s have a look at who is playing QB during one of the most critical weeks in the entire NFL season;

- Brock Purdy
- Jarrett Stidham
- TheoTHROWSEVELT Bridgewater
- Carson Wentz in for benched Taylor Heineke
- Mike White
- Genobassio Smith
- Trace McSorely
- Russell Wilson
- Samuel L. Darnold
- the Texans QB and I don’t have the time to look up who it is
- Tyler Huntley
- Maker Bayfield who was on waivers 3 weeks ago
- Mac Jones who sucks balls
- Andrew Dalton III
- Desmondo Ridder
- Big Dick Nick Foles
- DeChone Watson who also appears to suck.

Woosh. Any others? Any reason not to believe that if Kenny Pickett pans out some and keeps progressing that we can’t be a legit contender going forward? Well they need to fire Tomlin and Canada ASAP, but the QB situation but for a handful of teams is a damn mess and will likely be going forward.

Thoughts?
Legit contender for what? To get the privilege of getting shellacked by the Buffalo-KC-Phillys of the world?

And as for Kenny’s progress… has there been progress? He made a good throw at the end of the game and didn’t force it vs soft coverage… long ways to go.
There has been progress. Kenny lately has been better than Kenny in the Jets game.
I thought Kenny played perhaps his worst game of the year until the last throw. Actually, the scramble drill throws to Freiermuth (I think there were 3) were also good plays.


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Post by 955876 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:14 am

beerbrother wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:33 am
955876 wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:00 am
Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:06 am
the KC roster is just ugly at this point: Juju is one of their best players. If Mahomes stubs his toe on his way out of the bathroom one morning, they’re going to lose their next three games because he needs to be 100% for them to have a chance.
Considering we most likely are not making the postseason this year it doesn’t really matter.

I’m saying Mahomes and Allen are the two best QBs in the AFC at present. That’s the bar.

The scrubs of the league don’t matter. You need to be able to beat the best.

That’s my point.

That original list is only good for stuff like NHALS
Might add Joe Burrows to your list. If Kenny doesn't progress the Bengal could be ruling the AFC North.

Steelers would be fighting for a Wild Card chance to the dance.
A huge oversight on my part. You are correct.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:21 am

I thought Kenny played perhaps his worst game of the year until the last throw. Actually, the scramble drill throws to Freiermuth (I think there were 3) were also good plays.
Jibbs will wittle away at KP’s nuts until he too lives in his fears.

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Post by Orangesteel » Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:26 am

I also thought that was the worst or second worst game this season from Kenny. Weather, concussion, pressure, whatever. Point is I would have been elated if he threw for 300 and 3 TDs that game for Franco, but he was largely shit for 58 minutes.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:04 am

Orangesteel wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:26 am
I also thought that was the worst or second worst game this season from Kenny. Weather, concussion, pressure, whatever. Point is I would have been elated if he threw for 300 and 3 TDs that game for Franco, but he was largely shit for 58 minutes.
It was an awful game. It was setup for him to be an awful game too. But he did pull it out, the mark of a pro’s pro. I had written in the game thread if he didn’t do something on the 3rd to last drive he was a loser, essentially I was going to start moving my stuff over to the Kenny is trending toward bust camp! I was one drive off and he “totally redeemed” himself.

He needs to check the box on another 300 yard game soon, and by soon I mean the Ravens or Browns soon. And he needs to check the box on a multiple passing TD game soon too.

Of course all would be forgiven if we go on a win streak too, including the top tier teams. I could see that happen next season. A lunch pale, grind it out, win stacking on top of wins, never getting a good answer on the QB…the dreaded purgatory area several have spoken about here. All we can take solace in right now is it is too early tell and the script can still go in so many directions…but soon the data points will be there….enough pixels will be lit up and the picture will come into focus, but probably not until late into next season.

Kenny ended the shit golf round with an improbable and impressive eagle on the par 5 18th! He will be back and I will be back to watch the show!

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Post by Mick » Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm

Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.

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Post by jebrick » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:06 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:18 pm
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Forgot one just announced!!!

None other than Joshua “Big Brains” Dobbs will be starting for Tennessee who are fighting for their playoff lives.

Go Vols!
HOLY CRAP

What you talkin about Willis?

He has 17 career NFL passes, all for the Steelers.
6-12 for 43 yards no TDs and 1 INT in 2018
4-5 for 2 yards 0 td 0 INT in 2020

He will be 28 in a few weeks and has not thrown a pass in an NFL game in almost 2 years.
He was signed of the Lions practice squad 8 days ago.

How bad has Malik Willis been to see Dobbs get the start.
The titans do not care about the game vs Dallas. They only care about next week vs Jags. I am sure they are seeing if Dobbs can learn the offense in a week vs Willis.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm

Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm
Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.
How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:16 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:33 am
El Kabong wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:18 am
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:43 pm


Legit contender for what? To get the privilege of getting shellacked by the Buffalo-KC-Phillys of the world?

And as for Kenny’s progress… has there been progress? He made a good throw at the end of the game and didn’t force it vs soft coverage… long ways to go.
There has been progress. Kenny lately has been better than Kenny in the Jets game.
I thought Kenny played perhaps his worst game of the year until the last throw. Actually, the scramble drill throws to Freiermuth (I think there were 3) were also good plays.
I humbly submit that the two scramble throws to 88 on the final drive were better than good, especially the sideline throw. Forget whether it was Dotson or Moore, but one of them gets just a piece of a defender who broke through. KP scrambles right, right into Crosby who is about to clobber his ass, but KP keeps his eyes down field the whole time and makes a beautiful throw to 88 where only 88 can get it. Plays like that give *guarded* reason for hope. Especially bc that was do or die time. The kid is learning.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:19 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm
Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm
Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.
How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?
Weather conditions were awful. If Carr makes better throws, Davante Adams makes some hay and we lose that game. But I’d wager the cold factored heavily into those throws to Davante sailing high. Can any former QB on the board attest to playing in single digits with wind?
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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:24 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:19 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm
Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm
Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.
How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?
Weather conditions were awful. If Carr makes better throws, Davante Adams makes some hay and we lose that game. But I’d wager the cold factored heavily into those throws to Davante sailing high. Can any former QB on the board attest to playing in single digits with wind?
Professor, are you really using “if” as the basis of your argument?

Does Pickett get the same “if” treatment?

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Post by Mick » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:28 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm
Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm
Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.
How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?
his surgical 10/21 passing for 100ish to his top targets was was somehow overlooked for OPOTW because squirrel-finds-nut rookie Pickett finally threw his one catchable pass in the last minute of the game.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:30 pm

Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:28 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm
Mick wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 pm
Kenny was barely 17/20 for 187 yards throwing to Pickens/Diontae/Muth. Just wall to wall airballs for 59 minutes before the Pickens TD.
How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?
his surgical 10/21 passing for 100ish to his top targets was was somehow overlooked for OPOTW because squirrel-finds-nut rookie Pickett finally threw his one catchable pass in the last minute of the game.
Haha. You sound like main stream media.

“One catchable pass”

Classic

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:31 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:24 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:19 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 pm


How’d seasoned veteran Carr do in the game?
Weather conditions were awful. If Carr makes better throws, Davante Adams makes some hay and we lose that game. But I’d wager the cold factored heavily into those throws to Davante sailing high. Can any former QB on the board attest to playing in single digits with wind?
Professor, are you really using “if” as the basis of your argument?

Does Pickett get the same “if” treatment?
I’m suggesting that Carr’s play was likely affected by weather. Meaning KP’s play was likely affected by the weather. “KP played like dog shot for 58 minutes.” So did the other guy outside his first drive. Why? I think the weather had *something* to do with it. Also, Cam Heyward. 8-)
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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:31 pm

Mick

Let me guess, you enjoyed Trubisky’s “slightly errant throws” that resulted in 3 interceptions in Ravens territory?

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:32 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:31 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:24 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:19 pm


Weather conditions were awful. If Carr makes better throws, Davante Adams makes some hay and we lose that game. But I’d wager the cold factored heavily into those throws to Davante sailing high. Can any former QB on the board attest to playing in single digits with wind?
Professor, are you really using “if” as the basis of your argument?

Does Pickett get the same “if” treatment?
I’m suggesting that Carr’s play was likely affected by weather. Meaning KP’s play was likely affected by the weather. “KP played like dog shot for 58 minutes.” So did the other guy outside his first drive. Why? I think the weather had *something* to do with it. Also, Cam Heyward. 8-)
Well if you wanna put it that way we are in agreement

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:39 pm

Jizz, I seriously doubt KP is the answer. But I will seriously doubt anyone we draft is the answer. Guys like Bradshaw and Ben are rare as hens’ teeth. I don’t root against Kenny. I root for him. I just think the odds of him being *the guy* are plainly against him.

But I also think a lot of posters are delusional if they think the odds of anyone else we draft being *the guy* are better.

How many R1 QBs turn out like Ben or Mahommes or Allen? What’s the percentage?

Meanwhile, I’ll root like hell for Kenny to kick ass and take names.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:42 pm

Derek Carr

Season Vet:

16/30 174 yards 5.8avg, 1TD 3 INT, 20.2 QBR

Kenny Pickett

Rookie QB:

26/39 244 yards 6.3avg, 1TD 1 INT, 59.6 QBR

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:45 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:39 pm
Jizz, I seriously doubt KP is the answer. But I will seriously doubt anyone we draft is the answer. Guys like Bradshaw and Ben are rare as hens’ teeth. I don’t root against Kenny. I root for him. I just think the odds of him being *the guy* are plainly against him.

But I also think a lot of posters are delusional if they think the odds of anyone else we draft being *the guy* are better.

How many R1 QBs turn out like Ben or Mahommes or Allen? What’s the percentage?

Meanwhile, I’ll root like hell for Kenny to kick ass and take names.
“I seriously doubt”

See I’m not there yet. Shit OC, shit line, a rookie. Give the man some time.

I’m not ready to declare him the next great thing either.

I’m just rooting for SBI, not hoping he sucks so I can tell people on a message board “I told you so.”

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Post by langer » Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:58 pm

It is remarkable the way Pickett has had to deal with this bullshit of Trubisky, then get thrown into the starting job with a fuckhead for both HC and OC, and does pretty good, better than the Wily Mobile Veteran Trubisky. I mean, seriously, what the fuck was that thing anyway.

I would say that the result is better than anticipated. He could have cratered and been carted off the field but instead has proven that he is a fighter and has potential above the neck to be a better that average QB.

He's already surpassed many other first round jagoffs who were specimens but sucked at football. That list is a long list.

And trivia, Mike Vick has the same hand size.
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Post by Jobu » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:10 pm

And trivia, Mike Vick has the same hand size.
Do you mean the Mike Vick of the 56 career completion percentage? That Mike Vick?
Hopefully Kenny Pickett can rise above that low bar.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 30, 2022 6:55 pm

You conveniently left out the fact that despite a league full of shitty QBs, Pickett has the next to lowest QB rating in the entire league. Not sure how this reflects well on him.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:04 pm

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You conveniently left out the fact that despite a league full of shitty QBs, Pickett has the next to lowest QB rating in the entire league. Not sure how this reflects well on him.

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How many rookies on that list?

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:32 pm

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Here you go. The only two Rookie QBs to get a few starts. First overall QB selected vs the last pick in the draft.

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:35 pm

If Brock Purdy throws his next 45 passes into the 3rd row of the stands, he’ll still be rated higher than Kenny Pickett.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:37 pm

Steelperch wrote:
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Here you go. The only two Rookie QBs to get a few starts. First overall QB selected vs the last pick in the draft.
Ahh yea, so Purdy was obviously the better QB choice

Makes sense

Good argument Perch……all those teams who stupidly selected QB’s before the 7th round are rethinking their draft strategy

Well hopefully those GMs have learned their lesson

And clearly the Steelers are a superior team to the 49ers so that makes it even worse for us

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Post by Steelperch » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:45 pm

I like how you assign arguments to me that I never made. Just clearly pointed out the two rookie QBs with 3+ starts and their stats at your request of “how many are rookies”. Not sure why the stats hurt your feelings.

If you really want to be triggered I can post the stats of all QBs aged 23-25 next to Pickett. You know, Josh Allen, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts, Lawrence etc…. Those are Kenny Pickett’s peers. That’s who he needs to outperform for the Steelers to win a title in the next decade.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:50 pm

Some people clearly weren’t trained properly and don’t understand the Multi-Gorilla Rating System

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:02 pm

Garoppolo passer rating 2021:

98.7

Ben passer rating 2021:

86.8

Only QBs w lesser passer ratings than Ben:

Fields
Lawrence
Heinecke
Jones
Mayfield
Wilson
Darnold

Is it possible both Ben and Kenny had to endure playing behind a line that sucks and within the confines of a terribly orchestrated offense? And perhaps the 49ers are better overall?

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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:03 pm

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Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:45 pm
I like how you assign arguments to me that I never made. Just clearly pointed out the two rookie QBs with 3+ starts and their stats at your request of “how many are rookies”. Not sure why the stats hurt your feelings.

If you really want to be triggered I can post the stats of all QBs aged 23-25 next to Pickett. You know, Josh Allen, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts, Lawrence etc…. Those are Kenny Pickett’s peers. That’s who he needs to outperform for the Steelers to win a title in the next decade.
What was Trevor Lawrence’s passer rating last season? You know, his rookie year.

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