Tomlin waiting on Canada

[Kodiak.]

Would Leftwich take such a demotion?

I guess if he needed a job, he would.

Only way I see Leftwich coming here is if NO ONE wants him as OC. And that would probably include a couple of high profile college teams.

Either that, or he's happy to retire after a couple year stint here.

[anpsteel]

Leftwich would not be the end of the world. He's a former QB and has shown the ability to put together some decent game plans. I get they've been horrible this year and couldn't run the ball but it wasn't all his fault.

Still, I don't understand why we can't find a young offensive mind somewhere in the league to come in and build around this young offense? Why can the Bills find a Ken Dorsey or the Lions can promote Ben Johnson mid-season and see him do amazing things?

For once, can Tomlin look past his limited f*ckin network and put some effort into bringing in a young mind with potential?

His staff has to be "in-line" with his message and such.

Can't have someone that's going to try and outshine him, or work against his fundamental philosophy of attrition football.

We make fun of Cowher's turtle ball tendencies, but Tomlin is even worse.

Cowher would at least make adjustments and take chances to get ahead early. Mike just runs the same old shit, outcome be damned.

[StillerDownSouth]

Well Leftwich got canned this morning. So guess its a possibility, I am all for getting rid of Canada, just not sure Leftwich would be much better, but he probably wouldn't be any worse.

[Orangesteel]

I guess something in the “vote for Lefty” camp is that he understands what “pro concepts” are required to be competitive at the NFL level. I’m not sure Matt Canada understands that.

As much as he probably learned from Arians, he probably also learned a ton from Brady. That’s not a bad thing.

Do I want Dorsey or the young guy from Detroit who is probably going to get a head coach position? Yes, for sure. But we know that’s so beyond what this dumb franchise would ever consider.

Being a Steelers alum and having a relationship with Tomlin gets him some attention right off the bat. Is Lefty from Virginia? No, he’s from D.C. however he did go to Marshall University which is in WEST VIRGINIA so maybe close enough for Tomlin?

I’m sure someone he knows (a dog walker, maybe someone in his kids’ PTA) went to Memphis so there is that as well.

[StillerDownSouth]

All I know is I have a really good friend who is a Brady fan, so he watched pretty much all of Tampa's games, he talks about Lefty the same way we all talk about Canada. This friend of mine coached high school football at a pretty high level in Texas for 20 years as well.

[Stosh-67]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

I’m going to say what, for some reason, isn’t allowed to be said.
Brady is toast.
From what I’ve watched of him this season, it’s over. He’s been as bad as Ryan and Rodgers. Last night he looked like me when I was in my 40s, trying to play pickup basketball at the city park against the 20 somethings…pathetic!
Ben bowed out at the right time!

As for Leftwich, there are worse choice out there, that’s for sure. He has the Steelers/Tomlin connection. If he’s fired bring him in and let’s see what he can do designing and calling the attrition offense.
That said, I’m still expecting at least another season of Canada.

Yup.
Looked like that last night and second half of this season.
Playing like a guy that no longer wants to get hit.
Getting rid of the ball before he needs to or wants to.
Alot more throw aways.
Crazy how in accurate he was last night.

[StillerDownSouth]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

I’m going to say what, for some reason, isn’t allowed to be said.
Brady is toast.
From what I’ve watched of him this season, it’s over. He’s been as bad as Ryan and Rodgers. Last night he looked like me when I was in my 40s, trying to play pickup basketball at the city park against the 20 somethings…pathetic!
Ben bowed out at the right time!

As for Leftwich, there are worse choice out there, that’s for sure. He has the Steelers/Tomlin connection. If he’s fired bring him in and let’s see what he can do designing and calling the attrition offense.
That said, I’m still expecting at least another season of Canada.

Yup.
Looked like that last night and second half of this season.
Playing like a guy that no longer wants to get hit.
Getting rid of the ball before he needs to or wants to.
Alot more throw aways.
Crazy how in accurate he was last night.

Brady has pretty much played this way (as far as not wanting to get hit) for the last 10+ years, probably a big reason he's still playing.

[Stosh-67]

Mike Kafka, Giants OC has a nice future.

Calls a nice game under Daboll.
Mixes run and pass well.
Designed QB runs.

5 years under Andy Reids wing.....
And this past year with Daboll.

Kansas City Chiefs (2017)
Offensive quality control coach

Kansas City Chiefs (2018–2019)
Quarterbacks coach

Kansas City Chiefs (2020–2021)
Quarterbacks coach & passing game coordinator

New York Giants (2022–present)
Offensive coordinator

Young guy. 35

Future Head Coach

[lifelongsteel]

Mike Kafka, Giants OC has a nice future.

Calls a nice game under Daboll.
Mixes run and pass well.
Designed QB runs.

5 years under Andy Reids wing.....
And this past year with Daboll.

Kansas City Chiefs (2017)
Offensive quality control coach

Kansas City Chiefs (2018–2019)
Quarterbacks coach

Kansas City Chiefs (2020–2021)
Quarterbacks coach & passing game coordinator

New York Giants (2022–present)
Offensive coordinator

Young guy. 35

Future Head Coach

Need to find the next Kafka / B. Johnson. They are out there somewhere as QB coaches, etc. Once they make it to OC the only way to hire them is as HC.

[jeemie]

On that note, maybe these guys:

https://www.chiefs.com/team/coaches-ros ... id-girardi

https://www.chiefs.com/team/coaches-roster/porter-ellet

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team ... in-patullo

https://www.bengals.com/team/coaches-roster/dan-pitcher

I don’t know anything about these guys…just went with assistants on competent offenses.

Kevin Patullo looks intriguing. Been around a while, and he is widely credited with turning Jalen Hurts into a very good quarterback.

I note the Jets interviewed him this weekend.

One would think this would be a better landing spot than the Jets.

[franco32]

That's exactly right. We should be looking at elite QB coaches and passing game coordinators that have good experience with play design and play calling. Can't be that hard to find if we look outside of Memphis and Virginia!!!!

[Pabst]

I don’t know anything about these guys…just went with assistants on competent offenses.

I know nothing about them either, and I frankly have no idea what any of these guys bring to the table.

My concerns about any of them, however, can be summed up in 2 words: Norv Turner. How much of their success is related to having elite talent? (This is especially the case with the KC guys).

[Orangesteel]

Count me in for Franz Kafka. He’s calling great games under Daboll. Mixed and balanced attack. Seems to understand the importance of points points points.

[jeemie]

I don’t know anything about these guys…just went with assistants on competent offenses.

I know nothing about them either, and I frankly have no idea what any of these guys bring to the table.

My concerns about any of them, however, can be summed up in 2 words: Norv Turner. How much of their success is related to having elite talent? (This is especially the case with the KC guys).

Could be…like I said I did some digging on Patullo and he’s the one that supposedly has a lot of say in the Eagles’ offense and turned Hurts into a budding Franchise QB.

The others? Who knows?

But this is the kind of diligence Tomlin should do as opposed to “do I know him? Does he live in Virginia? Did he coach at Memphis?”

[jeemie]

Count me in for Franz Kafka. He’s calling great games under Daboll. Mixed and balanced attack. Seems to understand the importance of points points points.

Kafka isn’t going to leave for a lateral move.

And remember the interesting thing with the Giants…they usually are never one and done.

It seems they either make a deep run to the Super Bowl or they just don’t make the playoffs.

And I wouldn’t sleep on them this year. I think they have a great shot next week and also against either San Fran or Dallas.

[Pabst]

And remember the interesting thing with the Giants…they usually are never one and done.

It seems they either make a deep run to the Super Bowl or they just don’t make the playoffs.

One of my favorite bizarre stats: Eli Manning never won a single post season game outside of those 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl runs.

[yygy]

Bucs O was pretty subpar but they were 12th in passing.

What’s interesting if I can speculate some is what if leftwhich actually has a route to HC? In Pittsburgh that is. Strangely I can see the pieces fitting

[bradshaw2ben]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

That's pretty much the worst of all possible worlds.

[bradshaw2ben]

Count me in for Franz Kafka. He’s calling great games under Daboll. Mixed and balanced attack. Seems to understand the importance of points points points.

Kafka is the perfect name for someone running a Mike Tomlin-mandated offense.

Kafka's work typically features isolated protagonists facing bizarre or surrealistic predicaments and incomprehensible socio-bureaucratic powers. It has been interpreted as exploring themes of alienation, existential anxiety, guilt, and absurdity. The term Kafkaesque has entered English to describe absurd situations, like whatever the fuck that is the Steelers roll out as an offensive gameplan.

[Orangesteel]

[langer]

“As Coach Mike Tomlin awoke one morning from uneasy dreams after a playoff loss he found himself transformed in his bed into a component of an enormous insect, if you will, and so forth.”

[bradshaw2ben]

“As Coach Mike Tomlin awoke one morning from uneasy dreams after a playoff loss he found himself transformed in his bed into a component of an enormous insect, if you will, and so forth.”

[Mick]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

That's pretty much the worst of all possible worlds.

not sure i understand the Meyer hate. Or extreme opposition to Lefty as a passing game coordinator, really.

[Ice]

Our offense has been Kafkaesque for years now. Last two playoff appearances, too.

[jebrick]

Biggest problem I see with Leftwich is that he comes from the Bruce Ariens camp of "Wr must get open" camp. I would rather see some scheming to get WR open.

[jebrick]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

That's pretty much the worst of all possible worlds.

Never said I would like it, I am just betting that will happen

[bradshaw2ben]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

That's pretty much the worst of all possible worlds.

not sure i understand the Meyer hate. Or extreme opposition to Lefty as a passing game coordinator, really.

Canada’s playcalling might be the worst part of his contribution to the offense. Lefty’s passing offense seemed stale and extremely similar to what we’ve been running in Pgh.

Meyer I’ve got no problem with except I don’t love the idea of splitting the tasks, especially when Tomlin is ultimately still deciding what offense to run and the strategic usage. Dividing the tasks also means None of them have any kind of checks and balance power to push Tomlin out of his comfort zone/act as an antagonist.

All of that is why I said it’s the worst possible outcome.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Count me in for Franz Kafka. He’s calling great games under Daboll. Mixed and balanced attack. Seems to understand the importance of points points points.

Kafka is the perfect name for someone running a Mike Tomlin-mandated offense.

Kafka's work typically features isolated protagonists facing bizarre or surrealistic predicaments and incomprehensible socio-bureaucratic powers. It has been interpreted as exploring themes of alienation, existential anxiety, guilt, and absurdity. The term Kafkaesque has entered English to describe absurd situations, like whatever the fuck that is the Steelers roll out as an offensive gameplan.

[RemoAZ]

https://twitter.com/Blitz_Burgh/status/ ... 4175618053

[Stillerz Bar]

Kaboly saying that many end of season discussions, meetings and decisions including player exit interviews, have been on hold because of some personal issues for Tomlin.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... tters/amp/

Hopefully, that means thst no news on Canada for so long is simply a timing issue (fingers crossed)