What does TJ actually do?

[Jizz Mop]

Should have been MVP last year. Look at the record with and without him.

MVP of what? Never makes a play when it counts, esp against good teams

/s

[langer]

He singlehandedly won these two games that had some of the most offensive offense ever played.

How is it debatable.

[Jizz Mop]

He singlehandedly won these two games that had some of the most offensive offense ever played.

How is it debatable.

Please point out the plays that he accomplished this for STD

For some here, maintaining their positions on personnel is more important to the Steelers succeeding.

[stillthere]

I don't think the person behind all the criticism is really being serious. They are just trying to get people riled up is my guess.

I am not 100 percent sure that someone that tries to relay thoughts in monkey emojis is capable of thinking that far in advance.

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[stillthere]

And for the love of the football gods.........

Can we allow this guys some freedom on some plays,
to line up over the center,
in the A gap,
come from the opposite side,
line up in his usual spot - only 2 yards wider and come at better angle with a full head of steam.

He must lose 10+ pounds a game battling OT, TE, RB chips, tackle eligible...etc...
from the same exact spot.

TJ Watt ....PLUUUUUUSSSS....the element of surprise and confusion would results in some chaos and game changing plays, if not blown time outs from the opponent

Wait a minute you are not suggesting The Pittsburgh Steelers move him around like Aaron Donald, Jussie Garrett, or Nick Bosa that is crazy. If you did that he may not be on pace for 34 sacks on the #2 seed in the AFC currently.

[stillthere]

Should have been MVP last year. Look at the record with and without him.

I was listening to (i want to say Chris Carter) yesterday or today and he brought up that since they have both been in the league the Steelers record without TJ Watt in the lineup swings from 69% to 9% and with Jussie Garret Cleveland's win % swings from like 59% with to 24% without him.

There may only be a few force multipliers in the entire league that rank with Watt and that includes QBs.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


You guys are SO annoyed I’m right about this

Lolololz

Silverback laugh !!!!

[Steelersfan]

STD, we haven't played a game in 3-4 years, where TJ wasn't the MOST dominate player on the field. By far, end of story.

If his stats & play wasn't up to snuff, it was because he was double/triple teamed/chipped (concentrated on) and the rest of the D-line didn't take advantage of it. But that still makes him the most dominate player on the field.

[stillthere]

To think otherwise is moronic.

SteelTheDolt

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD, we haven't played a game in 3-4 years, where TJ wasn't the MOST dominate player on the field. By far, end of story.

If his stats & play wasn't up to snuff, it was because he was double/triple teamed/chipped (concentrated on) and the rest of the D-line didn't take advantage of it. But that still makes him the most dominate player on the field.

Not the point however……

[Texas Black & Gold]

I should have said 6 years for STD to calm down about the pick. Might have been closer to correct.

Lolololz

FWIW

After seeing Low Watt perform for a few years

I’ve consistently maintained Watt is a good player

He just disappears on a historic level in big moments

If someone would show me when that’s been wrong I will change my mind

STD, would you tell me what do you mean by "big" games?

When the Steelers need every W and some help in many seasons to make the playoffs or just to stay in contention, then every game is "big" in my opinion.

If by "big" you mean the 3 playoff losses, then judging TJ based solely on those games alone is a bit short sighted and unfair IMO.

If by "big" you mean Super Bowls, then have you ever heard of Dick Butkus, Dan Dierdorf, Alan Page, Derrick Thomas, Jack Youngblood, Bruce Smith, just to name a few HOF defensive players to never have a SB ring?

Sadly, TJ Watt may never get a SB ring either or God forbid a playoff victory, but that should not be held against him nor will it stop him from being in the HOF someday.

[R_S]

Well the biggest dumbass in that thread was not STD but our very own ironzabo. I'm assuming LegacyUser=JizzMop

As usual Scunge was pretty smart.

[Jizz Mop]

Well the biggest dumbass in that thread was not STD but our very own ironzabo. I'm assuming LegacyUser=JizzMop

As usual Scunge was pretty smart.

Your assumption would be wrong

Don’t even remember that poaster

Truth

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

[W&M_Steeler]

STD, we haven't played a game in 3-4 years, where TJ wasn't the MOST dominate player on the field. By far, end of story.

If his stats & play wasn't up to snuff, it was because he was double/triple teamed/chipped (concentrated on) and the rest of the D-line didn't take advantage of it. But that still makes him the most dominate player on the field.

I'll preface this with saying that I don't agree with STD about TJ Watt. TJ Watt is the best and most important player on the Steelers, he is a defensive force to be reckoned with who regularly makes huge plays that result in wins. If he stays healthy this season, he will likely drag a dead offense to a playoff game. He's on track to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, and he's far and away my favorite player on this team.

But... if I have to nitpick, I'd point out that TJ Watt was awfully quiet in the 2020 Wildcard game against the Browns. 3 tackles, only 1 for loss, and no sacks. That loss was mostly on the offense, but it sure would have been nice if TJ would have had a strip sack when the game started to get close. The Browns had an injured line and a head coach calling in plays from his basement. yet Baker and co. somehow could move the ball at will for most of the game. TJ didn't do much of anything that game, neither did Cam Heyward or Stephon Tuitt. I'm still not sure why.

[Scunge]

Funny, I read the post and immediately thought to myself, I know what TJ Watt does but what the hell does Myles Garrett do that people argue that he is BETTER than Watt?

Myles Garrett to me is the player that personifies what STD accuses Watt of being.

Garrett beats up on lowly teams, pads his sack stats, but does he really do anything else in helping his team to win games?

Isn't Myles Garrett a one trick pony?? A below average player in other aspects of the game?? Against the run, against the pass, in coverage, knocking down passes at the line of scrimmage? Making interceptions?? Forcing fumbles? Recovering fumbles??

But maybe I am being unfair, let us look at the production of both, shall we??

Garrett 87 games. 79 sacks. 152 QB Hits.
Watt 90 games. 83.5 sacks, 174 QB Hits.

Garrett 0 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. This is really, really bad. You are tall, have long arms and such, this elite talent, you are supposed to bat down passes at the line of scrimmage.

If you take the combined INTs and passes defensed of Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Micah Parsons, Maxx Crosby and Myles Garrett it comes out to 1 interception and 43 passes defensed. That is what those 5 players combined have done over the course of 330 career games.

Watt has 6 interceptions and 39 passes defensed in 90 games. Watt is on another plane of existence when it comes to this part of his game. His instincts and relentless effort will not be denied.

So, okay what about tackles for loss?? Forced fumbles? Fumble Recoveries???

Forced Fumbles (Career)
Watt 25
J. Bosa 14
Garrett 14
N. Bosa 8
Parsons 7
Crosby 7

Fumble Recoveries (Career)
Watt 9
Garrett 4
Parsons 4
J. Bosa 3
N. Bosa 2
Crosby 2

Tackles for Loss (Career)
Watt 93
Garett 81
J. Bosa 79
Crosby 67
N. Bosa 58
Parsons 38

Every facet of the game, TJ Watt is dominating. He can rush the passer, play the run, force fumbles, recover fumbles, make interceptions, do it all.

I honestly think that if Watt was put at MLB, ILB he would be the best in the NFL at that too.

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

[gojira5150]

Funny, I read the post and immediately thought to myself, I know what TJ Watt does but what the hell does Myles Garrett do that people argue that he is BETTER than Watt?

Myles Garrett to me is the player that personifies what STD accuses Watt of being.

Garrett beats up on lowly teams, pads his sack stats, but does he really do anything else in helping his team to win games?

Isn't Myles Garrett a one trick pony?? A below average player in other aspects of the game?? Against the run, against the pass, in coverage, knocking down passes at the line of scrimmage? Making interceptions?? Forcing fumbles? Recovering fumbles??

But maybe I am being unfair, let us loot at the production of both, shall we??

Garrett 87 games. 79 sacks. 152 QB Hits.
Watt 90 games. 83.5 sacks, 174 QB Hits.

Garrett 0 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. This is really, really bad. You are tall, have long arms and such, this elite talent, you are supposed to bat down passes at the line of scrimmage.

If you take the combined INTs and passes defensed of Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Micah Parsons, Maxx Crosby and Myles Garrett it comes out to 1 interception and 43 passes defensed. That is what those 5 players combined have done over the course of 330 career games.

Watt has 6 interceptions and 39 passes defensed in 90 games. Watt is on another plane of existence when it comes to this part of his game. His instincts and relentless effort will not be denied.

So, okay what about tackles for loss?? Forced fumbles? Fumble Recoveries???

Forced Fumbles (Career)
Watt 25
J. Bosa 14
Garrett 14
N. Bosa 8
Parsons 7
Crosby 7

Fumble Recoveries (Career)
Watt 9
Garrett 4
Parsons 4
J. Bosa 3
N. Bosa 2
Crosby 2

Tackles for Loss (Career)
Watt 93
Garett 81
J. Bosa 79
Crosby 67
N. Bosa 58
Parsons 38

Every facet of the game, TJ Watt is dominating. He can rush the passer, play the run, force fumbles, recover fumbles, make interceptions, do it all.

I honestly think that if Watt was put at MLB, ILB he would be the best in the NFL at that too.

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

WOW, WOW. Great write up Scunge. I love your breakdowns. Watt is a Monster and on a totally different level than those other players. Best defensive player in the league hands down.

[Pabst]

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

My personal theory is that it's Pro Football Focus trying to justify it's own existence.

Go back to the 2021 season - PFF was the only outlet to rank Garrett ahead of Watt. Why? Because Garrett was #1 in their "Pass Rush Win Rate" metric. That's it...that was their entire justification.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Funny, I read the post and immediately thought to myself, I know what TJ Watt does but what the hell does Myles Garrett do that people argue that he is BETTER than Watt?

Myles Garrett to me is the player that personifies what STD accuses Watt of being.

Garrett beats up on lowly teams, pads his sack stats, but does he really do anything else in helping his team to win games?

Isn't Myles Garrett a one trick pony?? A below average player in other aspects of the game?? Against the run, against the pass, in coverage, knocking down passes at the line of scrimmage? Making interceptions?? Forcing fumbles? Recovering fumbles??

But maybe I am being unfair, let us look at the production of both, shall we??

Garrett 87 games. 79 sacks. 152 QB Hits.
Watt 90 games. 83.5 sacks, 174 QB Hits.

Garrett 0 interceptions and 13 passes defensed. This is really, really bad. You are tall, have long arms and such, this elite talent, you are supposed to bat down passes at the line of scrimmage.

If you take the combined INTs and passes defensed of Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Micah Parsons, Maxx Crosby and Myles Garrett it comes out to 1 interception and 43 passes defensed. That is what those 5 players combined have done over the course of 330 career games.

Watt has 6 interceptions and 39 passes defensed in 90 games. Watt is on another plane of existence when it comes to this part of his game. His instincts and relentless effort will not be denied.

So, okay what about tackles for loss?? Forced fumbles? Fumble Recoveries???

Forced Fumbles (Career)
Watt 25
J. Bosa 14
Garrett 14
N. Bosa 8
Parsons 7
Crosby 7

Fumble Recoveries (Career)
Watt 9
Garrett 4
Parsons 4
J. Bosa 3
N. Bosa 2
Crosby 2

Tackles for Loss (Career)
Watt 93
Garett 81
J. Bosa 79
Crosby 67
N. Bosa 58
Parsons 38

Every facet of the game, TJ Watt is dominating. He can rush the passer, play the run, force fumbles, recover fumbles, make interceptions, do it all.

I honestly think that if Watt was put at MLB, ILB he would be the best in the NFL at that too.

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

Not the point…..

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

[Pabst]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s
OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s
Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

What do I win?

Edit, wait nevermind, you're just going to say those weren't good teams and/or the game didn't matter.

[K_C_]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s
OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s
Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

What do I win?

Edit, wait nevermind, you're just going to say those weren't good teams and/or the game didn't matter.

Ben was credited with a game winning drive after TJ's Geno Smith strip sack.

I'm not kidding.

[Texas Black & Gold]

I should have said 6 years for STD to calm down about the pick. Might have been closer to correct.

Lolololz

FWIW

After seeing Low Watt perform for a few years

I’ve consistently maintained Watt is a good player

He just disappears on a historic level in big moments

If someone would show me when that’s been wrong I will change my mind

STD, would you tell me what do you mean by "big" games?

When the Steelers need every W and some help in many seasons to make the playoffs or just to stay in contention, then every game is "big" in my opinion.

If by "big" you mean the 3 playoff losses, then judging TJ based solely on those games alone is a bit short sighted and unfair IMO.

If by "big" you mean Super Bowls, then have you ever heard of Dick Butkus, Dan Dierdorf, Alan Page, Derrick Thomas, Jack Youngblood, Bruce Smith, just to name a few HOF defensive players to never have a SB ring?

Sadly, TJ Watt may never get a SB ring either or God forbid a playoff victory, but that should not be held against him nor will it stop him from being in the HOF someday.

STD, when will you tell me (us) what do you mean by "big games" or "clutch plays"? Numerous people have pointed out games and plays as examples.

[Professor Half Wit]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

So so very very dumb. Funny and entertaining, I'll grant you.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Watt correlates with winning more than YPA. It's really pretty amazing for a defensive player.

[DP39]

What I find amazing is the thousands of reply 'poasts' STD has somehow managed to garner over his many ridiculous "low Watt" comments throughout the years.

It's akin to one person 'poasting' that the sky is completely green over and over again, and dozens upon dozens of others coming on here, time and time again, and arguing it's not.

Aren't we all, as a group, better than this?

Maybe not? After all, it is a message board, and even his dumb comment keeps it in motion -- even if it's in the wrong direction.

[Deebo]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s
OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s
Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

What do I win?

Edit, wait nevermind, you're just going to say those weren't good teams and/or the game didn't matter.

He'll add another obscure qualifier to his statement like "But did he do it during a full moon?" or some other nonsense

You can draw 1 of 2 conclusions about STD

1. He's an intentional troll
2. He'll defend his statements in light of new information being presented

There are really no other choices. Both kinds of people are abject assholes

[Pabst]

Aren't we all, as a group, better than this?

I regret to inform you that we are not

In all honesty, i try to pick my spots with him. If I can make a counter argument with clear, irrefutable evidence that he's wrong then I'll do it because I happen to find it funny. Otherwise I'll avoid the nonsense.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s

Lolololz ……

You are pathetic lol

2nd qtr……then the Colts proceed to drive 90+ yards for a TD…..get the ball back and put up another 7

Thank you Ben Roethlisberger for pulling out yet another big win

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s
OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s
Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

What do I win?

Edit, wait nevermind, you're just going to say those weren't good teams and/or the game didn't matter.

Ben was credited with a game winning drive after TJ's Geno Smith strip sack.

I'm not kidding.

Mainly because Low Watt and the defense gave up several scores after that 2nd quarter nothing