Chark off the market

[.Kodiak]

Are you saying this due to Wilson being injured or ineffective?

Notice how KC just keeps saying "start plenty of games", but isn't saying where?

So, technically, if Fields ends-up our starting KR then KC will finally have gotten one right

[K_C_]

You don't consider putting Fields on the KR team if there's even a remote expectation he could beat out Wilson.

The chance they plan on trying to make Fields Slash 2.0 are considerably higher than Fields being the starting QB.

Wilson is at best, the 3rd best QB in his own division and by far the oldest. He did have a nice bounce back year in 2023, but the Steelers aren't serious Super Bowl contenders.

We will see what happens with Fields, but this is something very, very different than a Mitch Trubisky situation. Fields is going to start plenty of games.

Are you saying this due to Wilson being injured or ineffective?

I think Russell Wilson is going to have to look like the Russell Wilson of 7 or 8 years ago to keep Fields off the field (no pun intended.)

[K_C_]

Are you saying this due to Wilson being injured or ineffective?

Notice how KC just keeps saying "start plenty of games", but isn't saying where?

So, technically, if Fields ends-up our starting KR then KC will finally have gotten one right

I think Fields will end up starting at QB multiple games.

This isn't rocket science. Do you think the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders with Russell Wilson? Maybe in 2016 or so. Not in 2024.

I think Wilson will be better than what Pickett and Trubisky put on tape. Rudolph? That I don't know. I hope Wilson still has IT, but we'll see.

Tomlin loves him some Justin Fields and Russell Wilson is not a long term solution. You may not believe Justin Fields is the long term solution. I may not believe Justin Fields is the long term solution. Mike Tomlin? I 100% believe Tomlin thinks Justin Fields can be the long term solution at QB for the Steelers.

I can keep saying it. Fields played for a terrible organization, multiple coordinators and head coaches and didn't have NFL quality weapons nor an NFL level offensive line (okay, actually the Bears o-line sucked last year too) until last season. The guy is off the charts athletically.

Tomlin is going to start Justin FIelds at some point and Fields is going to be the starter in Pittsburgh at QB.

What I find hilarious is that you find this some sort of crazy take. When Fields was acquired, ESPN, The NFL Network, etc. were filled with multiple analysts believing Russell Wilson was a placeholder until Justin Fields was ready to take over.

I happen to agree. Russ better ball the fuck out if he wants to keep Fields on the sidelines and I still believe Smith will have special packages, from day one, for Fields to run.

[bradshaw2ben]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

[bradshaw2ben]

Here are the career passing stats for a slew of young WBs signed to the Steelers roster in recent years.

Kenny Pickett
Landry Jones
Mitchell Trubisky
Dwayne Haskins
Kyle Allen
Justin Fields

See if you can identify who's who:

[K_C_]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

I don't know if Fields can turn his career around. Personally, if I had to guess, I think he'll fail as the starting QB in Pittsburgh, but we can't discount the situation he was in as a Chicago Bear. It's already been described and dude was fucked from day one. That isn't an opinion.

Also, the offense Arthur Smith wants to run that you described in the other thread, seems a lot more suited to a young Justin Fields then it does to an old Russell Wilson.

Run pass options. Designed QB runs. Run heavy. Play action.

If the Steelers are going to run a conservative, run heavy offense and especially with Fields' skills running the football, I still 100% believe at the very least, Mike Tomlin is going to want to see what Fields can do with an actual team and an NFL level OC around him.

We know what Russell Wilson can do, kind of. He's still pretty good but not the guy we saw leading Seattle to multiple Super Bowls. Does he elevate the Steelers to a serious threat in the playoffs? I hope so if Wilson is the guy, but developing Fields seems like the payoff could be much larger.

Also, @bradshaw2ben let me ask you this: You seem pretty hell bent on a total reset at the QB position. Wouldn't the Steelers have a much better chance of achieving what you're looking for with Fields at QB rather than with Russell Wilson? My point being, Fields is either going to be really, really good or really, really bad. Wilson, to me, almost guarantees the Steelers a 9-8 or 10-7 record.

If you seriously want the Steelers to get a big-time QB next April, Fields is the guy who will either win big, or lose big.

[bradshaw2ben]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

I don't know if Fields can turn his career around. Personally, if I had to guess, I think he'll fail as the starting QB in Pittsburgh, but we can't discount the situation he was in as a Chicago Bear. It's already been described and dude was fucked from day one. That isn't an opinion.

Also, the offense Arthur Smith wants to run that you described in the other thread, seems a lot more suited to a young Justin Fields then it does to an old Russell Wilson.

Run pass options. Designed QB runs. Run heavy. Play action.

If the Steelers are going to run a conservative, run heavy offense and especially with Fields' skills running the football, I still 100% believe at the very least, Mike Tomlin is going to want to see what Fields can do with an actual team and an NFL level OC around him.

We know what Russell Wilson can do, kind of. He's still pretty good but not the guy we saw leading Seattle to multiple Super Bowls. Does he elevate the Steelers to a serious threat in the playoffs? I hope so if Wilson is the guy, but developing Fields seems like the payoff could be much larger.

Also, @bradshaw2ben let me ask you this: You seem pretty hell bent on a total reset at the QB position. Wouldn't the Steelers have a much better chance of achieving what you're looking for with Fields at QB rather than with Russell Wilson? My point being, Fields is either going to be really, really good or really, really bad. Wilson, to me, almost guarantees the Steelers a 9-8 or 10-7 record.

If you seriously want the Steelers to get a big-time QB next April, Fields is the guy who will either win big, or lose big.

I can't bear the thought of escaping Mitch Trubisky and Kenny Pickett hell, only to be thrown into "watching Justin Fields"-hell. NO, i don't think there's any chance the Steelers will succeed at becoming a threat to win the Super Bowl with any QB under Mike Tomlin & Arthur Smith.

Sure, they could massively fail and get a better draft pick, but just draft smarter. There are QBs they can take a chance on who may pay off massively--if you have the right HC & OC. Hell, next year draft two and bring two in as a UDFA.

They're a TJ Watt injury from being 4-13, so let's see how it plays out. The only reason I can think of for advocating Justin Fields as the starter at any point is so that they can check off the box that they tried that and con fully move on in the future, instead of getting tied for even more years to a dog with fleas.

[gojira5150]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

I don't know if Fields can turn his career around. Personally, if I had to guess, I think he'll fail as the starting QB in Pittsburgh, but we can't discount the situation he was in as a Chicago Bear. It's already been described and dude was fucked from day one. That isn't an opinion.

Also, the offense Arthur Smith wants to run that you described in the other thread, seems a lot more suited to a young Justin Fields then it does to an old Russell Wilson.

Run pass options. Designed QB runs. Run heavy. Play action.

If the Steelers are going to run a conservative, run heavy offense and especially with Fields' skills running the football, I still 100% believe at the very least, Mike Tomlin is going to want to see what Fields can do with an actual team and an NFL level OC around him.

We know what Russell Wilson can do, kind of. He's still pretty good but not the guy we saw leading Seattle to multiple Super Bowls. Does he elevate the Steelers to a serious threat in the playoffs? I hope so if Wilson is the guy, but developing Fields seems like the payoff could be much larger.

Also, @bradshaw2ben let me ask you this: You seem pretty hell bent on a total reset at the QB position. Wouldn't the Steelers have a much better chance of achieving what you're looking for with Fields at QB rather than with Russell Wilson? My point being, Fields is either going to be really, really good or really, really bad. Wilson, to me, almost guarantees the Steelers a 9-8 or 10-7 record.

If you seriously want the Steelers to get a big-time QB next April, Fields is the guy who will either win big, or lose big.

KC I happen to agree with you. Fields had nothing in Chicago. When they got DJ Moore, Fields started to look better. I too want him to be the starter game 1. Need to see what Fields has. He's still young and is a freak athlete. In Pittsburgh he will have a better O-Line, RB's and WR's than he had in Chicago. He will have a better D behind him. I am excited to see what Fields has. Our O under Smith could be really scary with Fields under center.

[Orangesteel]

Marquez Callaway is my sleeper guy that has a great opportunity to prove it in camp and perhaps slide into the #2 spot. Who knows what he can do but his tape says he’s got some great tools on the outside. Very good speed and tracks the outside ball well. He’s moved around and this is probably his last shot but he’s only 26 years old so maybe he will seize it.

[K_C_]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

I don't know if Fields can turn his career around. Personally, if I had to guess, I think he'll fail as the starting QB in Pittsburgh, but we can't discount the situation he was in as a Chicago Bear. It's already been described and dude was fucked from day one. That isn't an opinion.

Also, the offense Arthur Smith wants to run that you described in the other thread, seems a lot more suited to a young Justin Fields then it does to an old Russell Wilson.

Run pass options. Designed QB runs. Run heavy. Play action.

If the Steelers are going to run a conservative, run heavy offense and especially with Fields' skills running the football, I still 100% believe at the very least, Mike Tomlin is going to want to see what Fields can do with an actual team and an NFL level OC around him.

We know what Russell Wilson can do, kind of. He's still pretty good but not the guy we saw leading Seattle to multiple Super Bowls. Does he elevate the Steelers to a serious threat in the playoffs? I hope so if Wilson is the guy, but developing Fields seems like the payoff could be much larger.

Also, @bradshaw2ben let me ask you this: You seem pretty hell bent on a total reset at the QB position. Wouldn't the Steelers have a much better chance of achieving what you're looking for with Fields at QB rather than with Russell Wilson? My point being, Fields is either going to be really, really good or really, really bad. Wilson, to me, almost guarantees the Steelers a 9-8 or 10-7 record.

If you seriously want the Steelers to get a big-time QB next April, Fields is the guy who will either win big, or lose big.

I can't bear the thought of escaping Mitch Trubisky and Kenny Pickett hell, only to be thrown into "watching Justin Fields"-hell. NO, i don't think there's any chance the Steelers will succeed at becoming a threat to win the Super Bowl with any QB under Mike Tomlin & Arthur Smith.

Sure, they could massively fail and get a better draft pick, but just draft smarter. There are QBs they can take a chance on who may pay off massively--if you have the right HC & OC. Hell, next year draft two and bring two in as a UDFA.

They're a TJ Watt injury from being 4-13, so let's see how it plays out. The only reason I can think of for advocating Justin Fields as the starter at any point is so that they can check off the box that they tried that and con fully move on in the future, instead of getting tied for even more years to a dog with fleas.

TJ Watt missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year and Kenny finished 7-2 down the stretch to save the NHALS….and we had no depth behind Watt like we do now. Herbig is going to be a very good player.

This is a better team than that, by a significant measure.

With Russell Wilson at QB, you’re probably looking at a first round playoff loss.

With Fields, shit could go very south or if he develops, which I’ll admit is unlikely but with his athletic ability, still a possibility, Fields is the MUCH more interesting option.

Wilson starts all year and the NHALS is a given.

[K_C_]

Fields moved from one place where QBs go to die to another place where QBs go to die.

“Analysts” act like Fields ever did anything. Have you people never watched the kid in the NFL? At least Russ is a has been.

Literally nobody in the entire NFL wanted Justin Fields. They could have had him for a conditional nothing draft pick and he costs next to nothing in salary.

I don't know if Fields can turn his career around. Personally, if I had to guess, I think he'll fail as the starting QB in Pittsburgh, but we can't discount the situation he was in as a Chicago Bear. It's already been described and dude was fucked from day one. That isn't an opinion.

Also, the offense Arthur Smith wants to run that you described in the other thread, seems a lot more suited to a young Justin Fields then it does to an old Russell Wilson.

Run pass options. Designed QB runs. Run heavy. Play action.

If the Steelers are going to run a conservative, run heavy offense and especially with Fields' skills running the football, I still 100% believe at the very least, Mike Tomlin is going to want to see what Fields can do with an actual team and an NFL level OC around him.

We know what Russell Wilson can do, kind of. He's still pretty good but not the guy we saw leading Seattle to multiple Super Bowls. Does he elevate the Steelers to a serious threat in the playoffs? I hope so if Wilson is the guy, but developing Fields seems like the payoff could be much larger.

Also, @bradshaw2ben let me ask you this: You seem pretty hell bent on a total reset at the QB position. Wouldn't the Steelers have a much better chance of achieving what you're looking for with Fields at QB rather than with Russell Wilson? My point being, Fields is either going to be really, really good or really, really bad. Wilson, to me, almost guarantees the Steelers a 9-8 or 10-7 record.

If you seriously want the Steelers to get a big-time QB next April, Fields is the guy who will either win big, or lose big.

KC I happen to agree with you. Fields had nothing in Chicago. When they got DJ Moore, Fields started to look better. I too want him to be the starter game 1. Need to see what Fields has. He's still young and is a freak athlete. In Pittsburgh he will have a better O-Line, RB's and WR's than he had in Chicago. He will have a better D behind him. I am excited to see what Fields has. Our O under Smith could be really scary with Fields under center.

Yep, I don’t get how most of the people here don’t get this. Wilson is the much safer option and basically guarantees the NHALS is safe, but IF (admittedly, that’s a huge “IF”) Fields continues to develop and cuts down on the turnovers, the Steelers could have a legit star QB.

The days of Russell Wilson being a star QB are long gone. Now he’s basically just a little bit better than Mason Rudolph. Guarantees you a playoff birth and a first round postseason ass beating.

Weird.

[Mick]

Don’t get what? It would be great if Fields turned into something.

But he got traded to us for, by trade value chart, 50 times less than we got for Pickett. 32 teams didn’t see value there. His receivers last year actually look better than what we have right now, and while in the long term spending draft picks on O-line should help us, in the short term generally starting rookies on your offensive line means your line will be bad.

I don’t think people are enthusiastic about odds of Wilson returning to form, but probably the best hope for this season is that Pickett was so bad that a mediocre version of Wilson will be a huge upgrade. Vegas isn’t buying it, but at least it might give some hope to some people.

[K_C_]

Don’t get what? It would be great if Fields turned into something.

But he got traded to us for, by trade value chart, 50 times less than we got for Pickett. 32 teams didn’t see value there. His receivers last year actually look better than what we have right now, and while in the long term spending draft picks on O-line should help us, in the short term generally starting rookies on your offensive line means your line will be bad.

I don’t think people are enthusiastic about odds of Wilson returning to form, but probably the best hope for this season is that Pickett was so bad that a mediocre version of Wilson will be a huge upgrade. Vegas isn’t buying it, but at least it might give some hope to some people.

We have a better OC than Chicago had. We have a better offensive line (which could end up being dominant once they play together for awhile), better rushing attack. About equal at TE. Pickens has the ability to be a superstar and this year he will get his chance. After George, there are most certainly question marks but as several here have said, I do not, for a second, believe the Steelers are done at WR.

We also have a significantly better defense than the Bears (with the best defensive player on the planet) which can get QB's short fields.

Russell Wilson, at this point of his career, is still a good QB. As I said earlier, Wilson virtually guarantees the NHALS continues.

That excite you? It doesn't excite me.

Fields is either a grand slam or a weak tap back to the pitcher. Fields has the athleticism to make things real, real interesting in Pittsburgh.

So I guess it's more about what each fan wants for the Steelers next season. I want them to go for it with the young guy who has out of this world athleticism, who might become a game changing QB, or a complete failure. Some fans might just be interested in the NHALS continuing.

That ain't me.

[Mick]

Pretty apparent that the people who are paid to be right about such matters think Fields’ OC was better in Chicago than it will be here. Getsy immediately landed four OC interviews before taking the best offer, Smith didn’t interview anywhere else. The perception around the league is that Getsy was crippled by his QB, and even Ridder had more interest in the trade market than Fields.

[K_C_]

Pretty apparent that the people who are paid to be right about such matters think Fields’ OC was better in Chicago than it will be here. Getsy immediately landed four OC interviews before taking the best offer, Smith didn’t interview anywhere else. The perception around the league is that Getsy was crippled by his QB, and even Ridder had more interest in the trade market than Fields.

I mean, for you to even compare Ridder to Fields makes this conversation silly. The Bears had other (and better) offers for Fields, but wanted to do right by him because he was their starting QB for 3 years and was actually improving. His stats, both running and passing, shit all over Desmond Ridder's (they both threw too many INT's, but Fields has the much, much stronger arm and is an elite runner. Desmond Ridder literally doesn't do anything at a high level.)

The Bears made the right decision to re-start the rookie QB clock because Fields (on a shitty team and a shitty organization) didn't show enough to warrant the Bears passing on a QB with the first overall pick, despite the vast majority of fans wanting the team to build around Fields. Fields put up 54 TD's for the Bears in 3 years. Desmond Ridder put up 19 TD's in 2 years with the Falcons.

I mean, having this conversation is silly. Ridder blows.

[bradshaw2ben]

Pretty apparent that the people who are paid to be right about such matters think Fields’ OC was better in Chicago than it will be here. Getsy immediately landed four OC interviews before taking the best offer, Smith didn’t interview anywhere else. The perception around the league is that Getsy was crippled by his QB, and even Ridder had more interest in the trade market than Fields.

I mean, for you to even compare Ridder to Fields makes this conversation silly. The Bears had other (and better) offers for Fields, but wanted to do right by him because he was their starting QB for 3 years and was actually improving. His stats, both running and passing, shit all over Desmond Ridder's (they both threw too many INT's, but Fields has the much, much stronger arm and is an elite runner. Desmond Ridder literally doesn't do anything at a high level.)

The Bears made the right decision to re-start the rookie QB clock because Fields (on a shitty team and a shitty organization) didn't show enough to warrant the Bears passing on a QB with the first overall pick, despite the vast majority of fans wanting the team to build around Fields. Fields put up 54 TD's for the Bears in 3 years. Desmond Ridder put up 19 TD's in 2 years with the Falcons.

I mean, having this conversation is silly. Ridder blows.

What's funny about that is that Ridder is better in every passing statistic and analytic except TD pass %. If Justin Fields wasn't a good runner, Ridder would be a little better at everything... yet you think Ridder blows and Fields (who's had one more year to develop) is possibly going to put it together this year.

[K_C_]

Pretty apparent that the people who are paid to be right about such matters think Fields’ OC was better in Chicago than it will be here. Getsy immediately landed four OC interviews before taking the best offer, Smith didn’t interview anywhere else. The perception around the league is that Getsy was crippled by his QB, and even Ridder had more interest in the trade market than Fields.

I mean, for you to even compare Ridder to Fields makes this conversation silly. The Bears had other (and better) offers for Fields, but wanted to do right by him because he was their starting QB for 3 years and was actually improving. His stats, both running and passing, shit all over Desmond Ridder's (they both threw too many INT's, but Fields has the much, much stronger arm and is an elite runner. Desmond Ridder literally doesn't do anything at a high level.)

The Bears made the right decision to re-start the rookie QB clock because Fields (on a shitty team and a shitty organization) didn't show enough to warrant the Bears passing on a QB with the first overall pick, despite the vast majority of fans wanting the team to build around Fields. Fields put up 54 TD's for the Bears in 3 years. Desmond Ridder put up 19 TD's in 2 years with the Falcons.

I mean, having this conversation is silly. Ridder blows.

What's funny about that is that Ridder is better in every passing statistic and analytic except TD pass %. If Justin Fields wasn't a good runner, Ridder would be a little better at everything... yet you think Ridder blows and Fields (who's had one more year to develop) is possibly going to put it together this year.

I know Ridder blows. He had far better weapons than Fields could have dreamed of having and sucked. Fields had a sieve for an offensive line, his running game sucked (well, other than Fields himself) and he still threw 16 TD passes to only 9 picks.

Ridder threw 12 TD's and had 12 picks.

Then you add in Fields rushing for nearly 700 yards and another 4 TD's. The previous year all the guy did was rush for nearly 1,200 yards and 8 TD's.

Merely talking about "passing statistics" for Fields is basically the same thing as ignoring what Lamar Jackson does with his legs. It's disingenuous.

Oh and....I'll just leave this here. Enjoy the read. Also once again, RIDDER SUCKS.

https://apnews.com/article/falcons-quar ... b6d5d8c063

[bradshaw2ben]

I’m not denying that Ridder sucks, but pointing out that Fields sucks as a QB. His running is a nice bonus for someone who can, you know, find open receivers and deliver the football on target to them. Anyway, the sacks he takes, the inordinate number of pick 6s he throws, and fumbles he gives up more than counterweight his running ability.

[zeke5123]

Pretty apparent that the people who are paid to be right about such matters think Fields’ OC was better in Chicago than it will be here. Getsy immediately landed four OC interviews before taking the best offer, Smith didn’t interview anywhere else. The perception around the league is that Getsy was crippled by his QB, and even Ridder had more interest in the trade market than Fields.

I mean, for you to even compare Ridder to Fields makes this conversation silly. The Bears had other (and better) offers for Fields, but wanted to do right by him because he was their starting QB for 3 years and was actually improving. His stats, both running and passing, shit all over Desmond Ridder's (they both threw too many INT's, but Fields has the much, much stronger arm and is an elite runner. Desmond Ridder literally doesn't do anything at a high level.)

The Bears made the right decision to re-start the rookie QB clock because Fields (on a shitty team and a shitty organization) didn't show enough to warrant the Bears passing on a QB with the first overall pick, despite the vast majority of fans wanting the team to build around Fields. Fields put up 54 TD's for the Bears in 3 years. Desmond Ridder put up 19 TD's in 2 years with the Falcons.

I mean, having this conversation is silly. Ridder blows.

What's funny about that is that Ridder is better in every passing statistic and analytic except TD pass %. If Justin Fields wasn't a good runner, Ridder would be a little better at everything... yet you think Ridder blows and Fields (who's had one more year to develop) is possibly going to put it together this year.

What is doubly funny is that KC was the great defender of Pickett despite Pickett being historically awful at throwing TD passes.

[Mick]

You pointing out how terrible Ridder is only emphasizes the point. Ridder is terrible, but is also a better passer than Fields; he netted almost a full yard per dropback more than Fields last season (6.3 NY/A vs. 5.5 for Fields).

[K_C_]

You pointing out how terrible Ridder is only emphasizes the point. Ridder is terrible, but is also a better passer than Fields; he netted almost a full yard per dropback more than Fields last season (6.3 NY/A vs. 5.5 for Fields).

It's hilarious. When Pickett was the QB, TD passes were everything.

Fields is improving yearly in that category, despite having an awful o-line and terrible running game (except himself.)

Tell me, what did Ridder's one whole extra yard per dropback get his ass?

BENCHED. That's what it got him. Twice. Sheesh.

[K_C_]

I mean, for you to even compare Ridder to Fields makes this conversation silly. The Bears had other (and better) offers for Fields, but wanted to do right by him because he was their starting QB for 3 years and was actually improving. His stats, both running and passing, shit all over Desmond Ridder's (they both threw too many INT's, but Fields has the much, much stronger arm and is an elite runner. Desmond Ridder literally doesn't do anything at a high level.)

The Bears made the right decision to re-start the rookie QB clock because Fields (on a shitty team and a shitty organization) didn't show enough to warrant the Bears passing on a QB with the first overall pick, despite the vast majority of fans wanting the team to build around Fields. Fields put up 54 TD's for the Bears in 3 years. Desmond Ridder put up 19 TD's in 2 years with the Falcons.

I mean, having this conversation is silly. Ridder blows.

What's funny about that is that Ridder is better in every passing statistic and analytic except TD pass %. If Justin Fields wasn't a good runner, Ridder would be a little better at everything... yet you think Ridder blows and Fields (who's had one more year to develop) is possibly going to put it together this year.

What is doubly funny is that KC was the great defender of Pickett despite Pickett being historically awful at throwing TD passes.

That's the funniest thing. Fields is improving throwing the football and is cutting down on INT's while throwing a decent number of TD's. Zero doubt he'll improve in that category with a better o-line and running game. He'll probably run for 8-10 TD's in Pittsburgh if he were the starting QB.

This is actually hilarious.

Obviously Fields is the riskier of the two options, but Russ Wilson is old and on the tail end of a great career. He's safe, The NHALS will be safe.

....so will the first round playoff ass beating.

Folks like you are pure comedy. Deep down, you want the safe option. Deep down, you love the NHALS.

Well, if Russell Wilson is the QB, the NHALS is guaranteed.

Enjoy.

[K_C_]

I’m not denying that Ridder sucks, but pointing out that Fields sucks as a QB. His running is a nice bonus for someone who can, you know, find open receivers and deliver the football on target to them. Anyway, the sacks he takes, the inordinate number of pick 6s he throws, and fumbles he gives up more than counterweight his running ability.

Well dude, just don't bitch when Russell Wilson leads the Steelers to a 9-8 or 10-7 record and NHALS is safe.

...and any of the top tier QB's are out of reach next April....because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Remember where ya heard it first.

[bradshaw2ben]

I’m not denying that Ridder sucks, but pointing out that Fields sucks as a QB. His running is a nice bonus for someone who can, you know, find open receivers and deliver the football on target to them. Anyway, the sacks he takes, the inordinate number of pick 6s he throws, and fumbles he gives up more than counterweight his running ability.

Well dude, just don't bitch when Russell Wilson leads the Steelers to a 9-8 or 10-7 record and NHALS is safe.

...and any of the top tier QB's are out of reach next April....because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Remember where ya heard it first.

The Green Bay Packers had three franchise QBs in a row... picked 33rd, 24th, & 26th. DRAFT BETTER. I would say it's at least as common for a non top-10 elite QB s it is for a year where none of the QBs are any good. In the last 20 years, we've had quite a few Super Bowl winners and elite QBs who were outside the top 10 and only a few years where there were no QBs at any slot worth taking. (2007 & 2010 come to mind).

Since Brady, here are the below top 10 QB picks who either went to a Super Bowl or are franchise starters better than what we have now:

32 Brees
11 Roethlisberger
24 Rodgers
18 Flacco
36 Kaepernick
102 Cousins
75 Wilson
62 Garoppolo
135 prescott
12 Watson
32 Jackson
53 Hurts
26 Love
262 Purdy
33 Levis

That's 15 guys in 23 drafts. The list of failed top 10 picks is longer by a mile. DRAFT SMARTER.

As long as Russ leaves us within shooting distance of a trade up-- like the 20th or 21st pick range where you could trade the 2025 + 2026 1st for a guy you think is a future star-- they'll be within range, provided the QB futures market doesn't go to shit and-- most importantly-- they identify the right value buy.

[gojira5150]

I’m not denying that Ridder sucks, but pointing out that Fields sucks as a QB. His running is a nice bonus for someone who can, you know, find open receivers and deliver the football on target to them. Anyway, the sacks he takes, the inordinate number of pick 6s he throws, and fumbles he gives up more than counterweight his running ability.

Well dude, just don't bitch when Russell Wilson leads the Steelers to a 9-8 or 10-7 record and NHALS is safe.

...and any of the top tier QB's are out of reach next April....because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Remember where ya heard it first.

The Green Bay Packers had three franchise QBs in a row... picked 33rd, 24th, & 26th. DRAFT BETTER. I would say it's at least as common for a non top-10 elite QB s it is for a year where none of the QBs are any good. In the last 20 years, we've had quite a few Super Bowl winners and elite QBs who were outside the top 10 and only a few years where there were no QBs at any slot worth taking. (2007 & 2010 come to mind).

Since Brady, here are the below top 10 QB picks who either went to a Super Bowl or are franchise starters better than what we have now:

32 Brees
11 Roethlisberger
24 Rodgers
18 Flacco
36 Kaepernick
102 Cousins
75 Wilson
62 Garoppolo
135 prescott
12 Watson
32 Jackson
53 Hurts
26 Love
262 Purdy
33 Levis

That's 15 guys in 23 drafts. The list of failed top 10 picks is longer by a mile. DRAFT SMARTER.

As long as Russ leaves us within shooting distance of a trade up-- like the 20th or 21st pick range where you could trade the 2025 + 2026 1st for a guy you think is a future star-- they'll be within range, provided the QB futures market doesn't go to shit and-- most importantly-- they identify the right value buy.

If this is the case, then who will the Steelers draft. Do you want Ewers (as Steelers will probably be drafting in early 20's). Do you think he's better than Fields? I hope the Steelers start Fields from day 1. I believe he will surprise many fans.

In Chicago he was the offense until DJ Moore got there. He was running for his life. Fields will cause def coord to change how they play against Fields as if you Blitz and miss, he will make you pay with his legs. He has a cannon arm and started to play better last year.

[bradshaw2ben]

Well dude, just don't bitch when Russell Wilson leads the Steelers to a 9-8 or 10-7 record and NHALS is safe.

...and any of the top tier QB's are out of reach next April....because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Remember where ya heard it first.

The Green Bay Packers had three franchise QBs in a row... picked 33rd, 24th, & 26th. DRAFT BETTER. I would say it's at least as common for a non top-10 elite QB s it is for a year where none of the QBs are any good. In the last 20 years, we've had quite a few Super Bowl winners and elite QBs who were outside the top 10 and only a few years where there were no QBs at any slot worth taking. (2007 & 2010 come to mind).

Since Brady, here are the below top 10 QB picks who either went to a Super Bowl or are franchise starters better than what we have now:

32 Brees
11 Roethlisberger
24 Rodgers
18 Flacco
36 Kaepernick
102 Cousins
75 Wilson
62 Garoppolo
135 prescott
12 Watson
32 Jackson
53 Hurts
26 Love
262 Purdy
33 Levis

That's 15 guys in 23 drafts. The list of failed top 10 picks is longer by a mile. DRAFT SMARTER.

As long as Russ leaves us within shooting distance of a trade up-- like the 20th or 21st pick range where you could trade the 2025 + 2026 1st for a guy you think is a future star-- they'll be within range, provided the QB futures market doesn't go to shit and-- most importantly-- they identify the right value buy.

If this is the case, then who will the Steelers draft. Do you want Ewers (as Steelers will probably be drafting in early 20's). Do you think he's better than Fields? I hope the Steelers start Fields from day 1. I believe he will surprise many fans.

In Chicago he was the offense until DJ Moore got there. He was running for his life. Fields will cause def coord to change how they play against Fields as if you Blitz and miss, he will make you pay with his legs. He has a cannon arm and started to play better last year.

Long way to go but I want Cam Ward. I can be excited about Taylen Green & TJ Finley. A few others would be upgrades from what we have and a few more would at least be worth a shot. Fields has basically had his shot. He wouldn't get a second chance as a starter if he hadn't been a top pick. Is there a lottery chance that he suddenly figures out how to read a defense and shorten his delivery and play QB without taking a zillion sacks and throwing soul-crushing INTs/Pick 6s? Of course there is.

[Mick]

And not to be overly negative about everything, but as much as chicago FO wants to say they were trying to do right by Fields, they could have let him go as a FA and potentially go where he wanted and, if you think people actually have hope for him, possibly get tons more money.

But instead they opted to trade him for nothing to a team of their choosing. And I believe they did this for the same reason we traded Diontae to Carolina for nothing: it let us make sure he went where he had the lowest possibility of being successful (which would be an embarrassment to our FO and coaching staff). That’s who we are now.

[gojira5150]

The Green Bay Packers had three franchise QBs in a row... picked 33rd, 24th, & 26th. DRAFT BETTER. I would say it's at least as common for a non top-10 elite QB s it is for a year where none of the QBs are any good. In the last 20 years, we've had quite a few Super Bowl winners and elite QBs who were outside the top 10 and only a few years where there were no QBs at any slot worth taking. (2007 & 2010 come to mind).

Since Brady, here are the below top 10 QB picks who either went to a Super Bowl or are franchise starters better than what we have now:

32 Brees
11 Roethlisberger
24 Rodgers
18 Flacco
36 Kaepernick
102 Cousins
75 Wilson
62 Garoppolo
135 prescott
12 Watson
32 Jackson
53 Hurts
26 Love
262 Purdy
33 Levis

That's 15 guys in 23 drafts. The list of failed top 10 picks is longer by a mile. DRAFT SMARTER.

As long as Russ leaves us within shooting distance of a trade up-- like the 20th or 21st pick range where you could trade the 2025 + 2026 1st for a guy you think is a future star-- they'll be within range, provided the QB futures market doesn't go to shit and-- most importantly-- they identify the right value buy.

If this is the case, then who will the Steelers draft. Do you want Ewers (as Steelers will probably be drafting in early 20's). Do you think he's better than Fields? I hope the Steelers start Fields from day 1. I believe he will surprise many fans.

In Chicago he was the offense until DJ Moore got there. He was running for his life. Fields will cause def coord to change how they play against Fields as if you Blitz and miss, he will make you pay with his legs. He has a cannon arm and started to play better last year.

Long way to go but I want Cam Ward. I can be excited about Taylen Green & TJ Finley. A few others would be upgrades from what we have and a few more would at least be worth a shot. Fields has basically had his shot. He wouldn't get a second chance as a starter if he hadn't been a top pick. Is there a lottery chance that he suddenly figures out how to read a defense and shorten his delivery and play QB without taking a zillion sacks and throwing soul-crushing INTs/Pick 6s? Of course there is.

I like Cam Ward as well, but we won't be drafting in the top 5 to grab him. This team would have to take a huge nosedive but as we know Cool Breeze wants that NHALS so we will be picking early 20's. What QB do you think will be there as a Franchise QB that's better than Fields.

If we do get a FQB do you believe Cool Breeze can develop him IF he's still here?

[K_C_]

And not to be overly negative about everything, but as much as chicago FO wants to say they were trying to do right by Fields, they could have let him go as a FA and potentially go where he wanted and, if you think people actually have hope for him, possibly get tons more money.

But instead they opted to trade him for nothing to a team of their choosing. And I believe they did this for the same reason we traded Diontae to Carolina for nothing: it let us make sure he went where he had the lowest possibility of being successful (which would be an embarrassment to our FO and coaching staff). That’s who we are now.

I mean, dude...of course they wanted to get something for a former first round pick. The Bears might be dumb, but they ain't foolish.

I don't know why the Bears GM would lie and say they had better offers for Fields AFTER the guy was already traded. Why would he need to do that?

Obviously you want to get something for a player and draft picks are valuable. Even late round draft picks. Yeah, I think they probably could have got something better for Fields from somebody, but they sent him to a quality organization where I'm 100% certain he will have the chance to start if not this season, definitely next.

No question in my mind.

[K_C_]

Well dude, just don't bitch when Russell Wilson leads the Steelers to a 9-8 or 10-7 record and NHALS is safe.

...and any of the top tier QB's are out of reach next April....because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Remember where ya heard it first.

The Green Bay Packers had three franchise QBs in a row... picked 33rd, 24th, & 26th. DRAFT BETTER. I would say it's at least as common for a non top-10 elite QB s it is for a year where none of the QBs are any good. In the last 20 years, we've had quite a few Super Bowl winners and elite QBs who were outside the top 10 and only a few years where there were no QBs at any slot worth taking. (2007 & 2010 come to mind).

Since Brady, here are the below top 10 QB picks who either went to a Super Bowl or are franchise starters better than what we have now:

32 Brees
11 Roethlisberger
24 Rodgers
18 Flacco
36 Kaepernick
102 Cousins
75 Wilson
62 Garoppolo
135 prescott
12 Watson
32 Jackson
53 Hurts
26 Love
262 Purdy
33 Levis

That's 15 guys in 23 drafts. The list of failed top 10 picks is longer by a mile. DRAFT SMARTER.

As long as Russ leaves us within shooting distance of a trade up-- like the 20th or 21st pick range where you could trade the 2025 + 2026 1st for a guy you think is a future star-- they'll be within range, provided the QB futures market doesn't go to shit and-- most importantly-- they identify the right value buy.

If this is the case, then who will the Steelers draft. Do you want Ewers (as Steelers will probably be drafting in early 20's). Do you think he's better than Fields? I hope the Steelers start Fields from day 1. I believe he will surprise many fans.

In Chicago he was the offense until DJ Moore got there. He was running for his life. Fields will cause def coord to change how they play against Fields as if you Blitz and miss, he will make you pay with his legs. He has a cannon arm and started to play better last year.

Fields has warts. Too many fumbles for sure, but you're spot on. The kid had NOTHING around him until DJ Moore arrived and even then, after drafting pieces for the o-line, those pieces looked to actually be WORSE than what they had.

I'm actually surprised folks are so down on the Fields acquisition. The guy is only 24 and has off the fucking charts athleticism. Why not try and develop him when this team is clearly not a Super Bowl contender instead of riding with Russell Wilson so Tomlin's NHALS remains intact.

Holy fuck.