Ben and AB......and a great home opener

[jeemie]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

I'm normally in agreement with this mindset, but Brown keeps proving he's otherworldly every game.

I am saying this with all honesty- I do not believe I have ever seen a WR quite like him.

WRs are typically commodity positions...most fungible.

Antonio Brown is not fungible.

[Legacy User]

I think he gets a 5 year deal for top dollar this coming offseason. That locks him up till he's 33.

The way Brown takes care of his body, I am not concerned about him being productive at an elite level into his early 30s.

As to the lot of miles/ small frame argument, I give that zero consideration.

I guess I could live with that....

Zivs small frame narrative gets a lot of flak here........Its been OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE however

I do miss ole Zivco. His time on these boards was brief but he left a lasting legacy, like a category 6 hurricane. His dislike of the Shazier pick, small frames, and pussies (the mindset, not the female body part) was undeniable

[Legacy User]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

If he played like edelman or welker I wouldn't even offer him another contract. AB does a great job of avoiding kamikaze contact and is or will be legendary soon in his training prowess. I'd keep him around. I doubt he will want a contract longer than Ben is projected to play though. He would probably want to get out of Dodge once a tomato can is in B&G tossing the pill.

[Legacy User]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

I'm normally in agreement with this mindset, but Brown keeps proving he's otherworldly every game.

I am saying this with all honesty- I do not believe I have ever seen a WR quite like him.

WRs are typically commodity positions...most fungible.

Antonio Brown is not fungible.

Yeah, I don't get STDs attitude. I think he's upset that Brown is obviously better than Holmes was. AB is going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame if he stays on the team until Ben retires.

People who think AB doesn't make Ben better are out of their minds. Ben has made every receiver he's played with better than they are. With AB, I think it is mutual.

[Steel Mike]

Yep. Pay AB. He's definitely an outlier.

[BethlehemSteel]

Read Perch's write up on AB

He got doubled on that 3rd and 10 and Ben went to him anyway.....Clutch, and I think he's simply #1 in the league

[Stosh-67]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

If he played like edelman or welker I wouldn't even offer him another contract. AB does a great job of avoiding kamikaze contact and is or will be legendary soon in his training prowess. I'd keep him around. I doubt he will want a contract longer than Ben is projected to play though. He would probably want to get out of Dodge once a tomato can is in B&G tossing the pill.

great point...........in his 400+ career catches......we can probably say he has been drilled less than 10 times?.....I'm just throwing a number out.....
but his moves and swiftness usually has defenders making "defensive" and grabbing tackles....rather than running thru him.....alah Edelman, Welker, Beasely, etc.......As we have seen Sanders take some huge shots......even monsters like Gronk, Dez, Megatron........take vicious shots

[Steel Mike]

I can't remember the stat - but I think the majority of AB's targets are outside the numbers rather than across the middle like some of the other guys that are listed. But, you're right, he does seem to have that elusiveness that helps protect him.

[Legacy User]

I think he gets a 5 year deal for top dollar this coming offseason. That locks him up till he's 33.

The way Brown takes care of his body, I am not concerned about him being productive at an elite level into his early 30s.

As to the lot of miles/ small frame argument, I give that zero consideration.

I guess I could live with that....

Zivs small frame narrative gets a lot of flak here........Its been OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE however

You're a numbskull. They are not drafting another WR like AB. They are going to pay him out the ass and are going to be right to do it.

You think Brown has a small frame (for a WR)? If he does, he is a giant exception to Zivco's rule.

Honestly STD, can you even believe some of the things you see Brown do? Set aside your hard on for "clutch" play, whatever the fuck that means, and consider what AB does week in and week out. He dominates double teams. He NEVER disappears. They guy is a machine. I fully expect him to rip off his face after the Super Bowl this year to reveal a T 2000 skull structure.

Clutch is all that matters

I rate Bradshaw and Layne MUCH higher than most.....they had IT....Ben is in that very small group too.....The 9ers arent going anywhere with a super conservative HC....

AB stat line until garbage time last 5 mins vs NE....6 recpts for 80yds 0 TDs

AB is a great WR.....hes a great piece to the puzzle....he has his flaws

[Legacy User]

Clutch is all that matters

I'm just going to leave this up for others to contemplate.

I'm not sure whether catching a ball around the defender's helmet or dominating double teams when your QB stares you down the whole time leaving no one to guess is clutch or not.

But I find great enjoyment in having you continue to insist that Holmes was better than AB is now.

[Stosh-67]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

I think he gets a 5 year deal for top dollar this coming offseason. That locks him up till he's 33.

The way Brown takes care of his body, I am not concerned about him being productive at an elite level into his early 30s.

As to the lot of miles/ small frame argument, I give that zero consideration.

agree
Jerrey Rice was known for his work out regimine..............there was no issue with him playing into his mid to late thirties.....
Tim Brown, Terrell Owens....guys that took care of their bodies and continued to roll on...........

and in todays game / world.........and salaries..........there should be no question....taking care of your body to the utmost .....should be primary...considering the short span of careers.
and in todays game / world.........and salaries..........these guys should have everything at their fingertips; trainer, physician, nutitionist, state of the art gyms, home gym, vitamins, hyperbolic chamber, etc. etc.

[Legacy User]

Clutch is all that matters

I'm just going to leave this up for others to contemplate.

I don't understand. Is the argument that Brown isn't clutch?

[StillerInCT]

I can't even believe what I'm seeing when I watch AB play. I don't know how someone his size utterly dominates double teams. This week combined with the wrap-around-the-helmet catch last week....hall of fame WR if he stays with Ben.

If they can somehow keep Ben, AB, Bryant (I have not lost hope he turns things around), and Bell together without the o line or D falling off a cliff at least until Ben retires, it will be special.

He's an incredible route runner and very smart with his subtle movements. For instance, on the 60 something yard play, it was such a small move he used to beat the defenders but it was the perfect move. He's just an extremely talented and heady football player.

[Legacy User]

Clutch is all that matters

I'm just going to leave this up for others to contemplate.

I don't understand. Is the argument that Brown isn't clutch?

Y-Town, I think that's a wonderful question. STD is going to say AB is clutch. He is then going to say that Holmes was more clutch than AB is now and that therefore Holmes was better than AB is now. It's quite amazing.

[StillerInCT]

As to the lot of miles/ small frame argument, I give that zero consideration.

I guess I could live with that....

Zivs small frame narrative gets a lot of flak here........Its been OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE however

You're a numbskull. They are not drafting another WR like AB. They are going to pay him out the ass and are going to be right to do it.

You think Brown has a small frame (for a WR)? If he does, he is a giant exception to Zivco's rule.

Honestly STD, can you even believe some of the things you see Brown do? Set aside your hard on for "clutch" play, whatever the fuck that means, and consider what AB does week in and week out. He dominates double teams. He NEVER disappears. They guy is a machine. I fully expect him to rip off his face after the Super Bowl this year to reveal a T 2000 skull structure.

Clutch is all that matters

I rate Bradshaw and Layne MUCH higher than most.....they had IT....Ben is in that very small group too.....The 9ers arent going anywhere with a super conservative HC....

AB stat line until garbage time last 5 mins vs NE....6 recpts for 80yds 0 TDs

AB is a great WR.....hes a great piece to the puzzle....he has his flaws[/quote]

What flaw is this?

[Stallworth16]

Ben is the best QB in football right now. AB is the best WR in football. Last Year Le'Veon Bell was the best RB in football. I'm waiting to see whether that knee affects Bell, hopefully not. But with the Surprising DeAngelo Williams playing at a high level, we don't need to overuse Bell. We can give Williams some carries.

Bottom line, Steelers offense is Dangerous.


Postscript- Credit to DHB. This guy takes way more shit than he deserves. He's a high character guy. That TD that he snatched out of the air was an long-distance velocity Missile from Ben. Hell of a catch DHB.

[Kodiak]

but his moves and swiftness usually has defenders making "defensive" and grabbing tackles....rather than running thru him.....alah Edelman, Welker, Beasely, etc.......As we have seen Sanders take some huge shots......even monsters like Gronk, Dez, Megatron........take vicious shots

Ben tries not to get his receivers killed. It's pretty rare that you will see Ben throw a ball that takes his receiver into harm's way. Manning and Brady don't give a fuck.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I think it would be a huge mistake to give AB a huge C3 offer......Hes 5 10 185....hes under contract til 18....at which point he will be 30 and likely have 750ish receptions....thats ALOT OF MILES on .....small frame guy like AB

WR seems to be THE ONE position we can draft well....I draft a WR in 16 and 17

Tag AB if you have to in 18 and 19....at which point he will be 32 and damn near 1000ish receptions.....

A huge long term C3 for AB would be one of the dumber things they could do.....

I'm normally in agreement with this mindset, but Brown keeps proving he's otherworldly every game.

I am saying this with all honesty- I do not believe I have ever seen a WR quite like him.

WRs are typically commodity positions...most fungible.

Antonio Brown is not fungible.

Antonio Brown has the watchability of Barry Sanders or Gayle Sayers or Troy in his prime. He is turning out to be a generational player.

[stillcajun]

Ben is the best QB in football right now. AB is the best WR in football. Last Year Le'Veon Bell was the best RB in football. I'm waiting to see whether that knee affects Bell, hopefully not. But with the Surprising DeAngelo Williams playing at a high level, we don't need to overuse Bell. We can give Williams some carries.

Bottom line, Steelers offense is Dangerous.


Postscript- Credit to DHB. This guy takes way more shit than he deserves. He's a high character guy. That TD that he snatched out of the air was an long-distance velocity Missile from Ben. Hell of a catch DHB.

Makes you wonder if he played with an actual QB during his formative NFL years if he would not be better. It's almost as if he went and caught a hundred balls a day for the past 10 days on the juggs machine in preperation for this game. He caught just about all of those passes with his hands.

[Legacy User]

Clutch is all that matters

I rate Bradshaw and Layne MUCH higher than most.....they had IT....Ben is in that very small group too.....The 9ers arent going anywhere with a super conservative HC....

AB stat line until garbage time last 5 mins vs NE....6 recpts for 80yds 0 TDs

AB is a great WR.....hes a great piece to the puzzle....he has his flaws

What flaw is this?

In 5 post season games ABs stat line 29 for 277 0 TDs.....avgs 6 for 55 0 TDs The 14 playoff loss 9 for 117 0 TDs.....subtract 30 to 15 garbage time stats its ... 5 for 83 0 TDs

AB lifetime as starter regular season vs ravens... 3 wins 5 losses....in 12 and 13 a single TD wouldve been the difference in both games....notable due the fact AB has exactly 1TD vs the rats in 8 games

ABs stat line vs rats 41 fo 524 1 TD.....avg 5 for 66 0 TD

I would bet his bengals line is similar .....as would be his line against playoff teams

Many Steeler fans get completely smitten with their own and raise high holy hell with anyone who attempts to look at facts rather than bs hype

This has contributed to ALOT of bad extensions...contracts etc over the years

AB is great....hes a nice puzzle piece.....he has flaws

[StillMadAtSlobber]

s.


Postscript- Credit to DHB. This guy takes way more shit than he deserves. He's a high character guy. That TD that he snatched out of the air was an long-distance velocity Missile from Ben. Hell of a catch DHB.

Makes you wonder if he played with an actual QB during his formative NFL years if he would not be better. It's almost as if he went and caught a hundred balls a day for the past 10 days on the juggs machine in preperation for this game. He caught just about all of those passes with his hands.

DHBs former QBs
2009 JaBustus Russel
2010 Jason Campbell
2011, 2012 Cornhole Palmer
2013 Andrew Luck

[Legacy User]

Just so everyone's clear on STD logic, the Seahawks' Chris Matthews (playoff average based one one game: 4-109-1) is better than Antonio Brown.

[Legacy User]

Just so everyone's clear on STD logic, the Seahawks' Chris Matthews (playoff average based one one game: 4-109-1) is better than Antonio Brown.

Incorrect. Not what I said.

Believe what you want.

The facts say otherwise

[Legacy User]

Just so everyone's clear on STD logic, the Seahawks' Chris Matthews (playoff average based one one game: 4-109-1) is better than Antonio Brown.

Incorrect. Not what I said.

Believe what you want.

The facts say otherwise

So you ignore stats when talking about clutch play because stats show that AB shits all over Holmes, but to prove AB is not as clutch as Holmes, you cite stats.

Look, we all had multiple orgasms during the final minutes of SB 43. But AB is better than Holmes was.

[Legacy User]

Clutch is all that matters

I rate Bradshaw and Layne MUCH higher than most.....they had IT....Ben is in that very small group too.....The 9ers arent going anywhere with a super conservative HC....

AB stat line until garbage time last 5 mins vs NE....6 recpts for 80yds 0 TDs

AB is a great WR.....hes a great piece to the puzzle....he has his flaws

What flaw is this?

In 5 post season games ABs stat line 29 for 277 0 TDs.....avgs 6 for 55 0 TDs

The 14 playoff loss 9 for 117 0 TDs.....subtract 30 to 15 garbage time stats its ... 5 for 83 0 TDs

AB lifetime as starter regular season vs ravens... 3 wins 5 losses....in 12 and 13 a single TD wouldve been the difference in both games....notable due the fact AB has exactly 1TD vs the rats in 8 games

ABs stat line vs rats 41 fo 524 1 TD.....avg 5 for 66 0 TD

I would bet his bengals line is similar .....as would be his line against playoff teams

Many Steeler fans get completely smitten with their own and raise high holy hell with anyone who attempts to look at facts rather than bs hype

This has contributed to ALOT of bad extensions...contracts etc over the years

AB is great....hes a nice puzzle piece.....he has flaws

[Legacy User]

So you ignore stats when talking about clutch play because stats show that AB shits all over Holmes, but to prove AB is not as clutch as Holmes, you cite stats.

Look, we all had multiple orgasms during the final minutes of SB 43. But AB is better than Holmes was.

I would bet his bengals line is similar .....

http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/H ... 065b97f7e2

[Kodiak]

Look, we all had multiple orgasms during the final minutes of SB 43. But AB is better than Holmes was.

AB doesn't make that SB catch because the first winning TD wouldn't have gone through his hands.

[Legacy User]

AB comes up short often against good teams when it matters

He puts up big stats in garbage time and against bad teams

I have hope he will get better

He has room to improve if the Steelers dont break him with 175 plus targets so the fans can crow about how many receptions he has

You can argue all you want. The games that matter in the nfl are jan through feb.


AB is a nice piece.....The idea that he is some kinda elite generational player has yet to be seen.....Big time players make big time plays in big time games....

The only guys on the Steelers right now who know anything about that are Ben Deebo Gay and Heath

[R_S]

Oh I get it now. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better QB's than Dan Marino.....it's all cleared up now.

[Legacy User]

Oh I get it now. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better QB's than Dan Marino.....it's all cleared up now.

Marino was a cokehead me first loser. Stat whore king of all time