Front Page: Wk 6 Recap Steelers at Chargers: Deja Vu All Over Again

[Obviously]

Wow! Bizarro world on Steelerfury! B2B is very critical (or disapproving) of Tomlin, and STD is questioning B2B.

LOLZ !!!

B2B FC and Perch are far and away the brains on this site and there isnt a close 4th or 5th or 6th. Lolz. I have been poaching from them for years and have routinely admitted as much on the podcast many times. Lolz. Merely doing just that keeps ME far above many of the assorted boobs and waterheads here by many miles. Lol. Many of whom are agenda driven haters that dont follow football, the Steelers, sports, or successful happy lives much at all. Of course if they even followed the best Steelers analysis anywhere in the form of the SteelerFury Podcast even a little they might be enlightened somewhat at the very least by osmosis if nothing else. Lol.

Talk to me at 4-4 tied for the division lead at midnight Nov 4 haters.

Well you've got my vote for the biggest kiss ass on this site, and there isn't a close #2. Well you're a #2, too.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Wow! Bizarro world on Steelerfury! B2B is very critical (or disapproving) of Tomlin, and STD is questioning B2B.

LOLZ !!!

B2B FC and Perch are far and away the brains on this site and there isnt a close 4th or 5th or 6th. Lolz. I have been poaching from them for years and have routinely admitted as much on the podcast many times. Lolz. Merely doing just that keeps ME far above many of the assorted boobs and waterheads here by many miles. Lol. Many of whom are agenda driven haters that dont follow football, the Steelers, sports, or successful happy lives much at all. Of course if they even followed the best Steelers analysis anywhere in the form of the SteelerFury Podcast even a little they might be enlightened somewhat at the very least by osmosis if nothing else. Lol.

Talk to me at 4-4 tied for the division lead at midnight Nov 4 haters.

Well you've got my vote for the biggest kiss ass on this site, and there isn't a close #2. Well you're a #2, too.

LOLZ !!! Translation: I dont understand the nfl or the Steelers and I cant make my own jokes. Lol

[Obviously]

LOLZ !!! Translation: I dont understand the nfl or the Steelers and I cant make my own jokes. Lol

Why should I make my own jokes when you're the biggest joke here? Did you forget your "parlays" this week?

[Mick]

I’d like to see some all 22 pics on how our guys are getting open. It seems like whenever we do throw to someone that isn’t an RB, the receiver is reasonably covered and it isn’t an easy play. Curious why that is; are my eyes lying to me, or are our guys just never open, or do we just misread defenses and throw into coverage? In general I’m a lot happier with dumpoffs to Conner with grass in front of him then out routes into coverage. I’ve seen enough near picks on those throws already that I’m not that enthusiastic about them.

I think part of it is we are having our QBs get the football out right away, which is a big reason we haven’t taken any sacks (less than 1 per game, which is crazy with inexperienced QBs; also means no strip sacks).

[Steelafan77]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

[jebrick]

I’d like to see some all 22 pics on how our guys are getting open. It seems like whenever we do throw to someone that isn’t an RB, the receiver is reasonably covered and it isn’t an easy play. Curious why that is; are my eyes lying to me, or are our guys just never open, or do we just misread defenses and throw into coverage? In general I’m a lot happier with dumpoffs to Conner with grass in front of him then out routes into coverage. I’ve seen enough near picks on those throws already that I’m not that enthusiastic about them.

I think part of it is we are having our QBs get the football out right away, which is a big reason we haven’t taken any sacks (less than 1 per game, which is crazy with inexperienced QBs; also means no strip sacks).

I think the QBs ( Rudolph and Hodges) are doing one or 2 reads before looking for the outlet. I also think they are not trusting themselves to put the ball in a tight window.

[bradshaw2ben]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

QB play and plan of attack on offense was the difference vs 49ers and Ravens. Seahawks feature one of the Bert QBs to ever sling it and he was at the top of his game that day.

How they adjust to no Tuitt will tell the tale, but I think they still have a chance at 7 or 8 wins.

[Obviously]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

Ravens loss was on Juju's fumble. 49ers loss was on Conner's fumble. Not sure how Tomlin was outcoached in those games, and understand, I haven't got much use for him.

[COR-TEN]

I’d like to see some all 22 pics on how our guys are getting open. It seems like whenever we do throw to someone that isn’t an RB, the receiver is reasonably covered and it isn’t an easy play. Curious why that is; are my eyes lying to me, or are our guys just never open, or do we just misread defenses and throw into coverage? In general I’m a lot happier with dumpoffs to Conner with grass in front of him then out routes into coverage. I’ve seen enough near picks on those throws already that I’m not that enthusiastic about them.

I think part of it is we are having our QBs get the football out right away, which is a big reason we haven’t taken any sacks (less than 1 per game, which is crazy with inexperienced QBs; also means no strip sacks).

I also think they are not trusting themselves to put the ball in a tight window.

Protect the football. Isn't that what all coaches tell their rookie QB's? We keep blaming the coaches for calling check downs, but what if the QB's simply don't want to give up an INT? The hodges INT was thrown way downfield. IOW, with enough field in front that a pic six was unlikely. Multiple turnovers in a game usually ends in a loss. I think both are simply getting used to NFL speed. I suspect if Rudolph makes it through the season, he's going to be considerably better late in the season - when it's needed most. Wild cat and dump offs to RB's lets them acclimate while still trying to win games. I'm a little disappointed, but if it works?

Further, I think tomlin has only known BR for his entire head coaching career. Fichtner is BR's bitch, and has history with tomlin. So it's no surprise they haven't been innovative in their use of either QB's. But I know tomlin and co don't like to expose too much of the playbook in the first quarter of the season, and BR has stated multiple times that they focus on running game and the O line early in the season since live practices are limited. I'm guessing It explains why he used one additional live practice before the bolts game to snap them out of losing control of the LOS.

[bradshaw2ben]

Being so afraid of making a mistake that you won’t make plays down the field is wayyy too far the other direction. I want my QB to be smart with the football but to have pretty much no conscience about picks. Just make plays, son. Make enough of them and turnovers are irrelevant. Be confident and take smart risks.

[COR-TEN]

Being so afraid of making a mistake that you won’t make plays down the field is wayyy too far the other direction. I want my QB to be smart with the football but to have pretty much no conscience about picks. Just make plays, son. Make enough of them and turnovers are irrelevant. Be confident and take smart risks.

The bolts game was Hodges first NFL start. Rudolph has 1.5. Your bar for rookie QB's seems extraordinarily high. Especially with a team where practically all skill position players haven't played together very long.

[franco32]

I want an offense that maximizes my chances of winning. If that is dink and dunk...so be it. If that is pounding the run...then so be it. Of course that all depends on the opponent and the situation.

The offense trotted out against the Chargers produced 17 points and 7 of those were on a short field. It worked out in the end, but that was mainly because of Conner's out-of-body performance in scraping out key 3rd down conversions. We also got a generous spot on a conversion in the red zone on our second TD.

I thought we should have been more aggressive earlier in the game when 8-9 were in the box. Up 21 with 10 min left? I would have kept turtling at that point. It made no sense to take deep shots at that time.

Therein lies my biggest problem with Tomlin and the coordinators. They don't have a great feel for the game and for situational football to maximize matchups.

In the end, I don't think the dinking and dunking is completely out of design. I've seen enough film this year to see that the WRs are being blanketed pretty comfortably. Part of that is on the routes...and part of it has been the disappointing seasons of that WR group. WRs really have to step up.

[bradshaw2ben]

A well deserved scathing for Randy Redneck and by extension Tomlin.

I remember a wide contingent of posters clamoring for this stiff to be promoted over Haley. Oh Haley sucked but at least he was a bona fide NFL OC. I wouldn’t let this Fichtner jackwagon call plays for my 12 year olds team and his coaches suck too!

Tomlins boy Joey Porter was shown the door. Time to finish the house cleaning. Art2 lacks the stones to fire Tomlin but his remaining buddies need to be shown the door starting with Randy fitchner

On a more positive note one of my buddies from my Pacific Beach days is a die hard Chargers fan was in attendance texted me cool vid of Steelers fans in his section apparently going crazy because Renegade was played. Said he never saw so many “crazy fatties” waving “.those dumb towels”
He’s my buddy but I was glad Steeler nation rattled SoCal snobs like him

Here's how bad Haley was: Fitchner is markedly better.

[El Kabong]

A well deserved scathing for Randy Redneck and by extension Tomlin.

I remember a wide contingent of posters clamoring for this stiff to be promoted over Haley. Oh Haley sucked but at least he was a bona fide NFL OC. I wouldn’t let this Fichtner jackwagon call plays for my 12 year olds team and his coaches suck too!

Tomlins boy Joey Porter was shown the door. Time to finish the house cleaning. Art2 lacks the stones to fire Tomlin but his remaining buddies need to be shown the door starting with Randy fitchner

On a more positive note one of my buddies from my Pacific Beach days is a die hard Chargers fan was in attendance texted me cool vid of Steelers fans in his section apparently going crazy because Renegade was played. Said he never saw so many “crazy fatties” waving “.those dumb towels”
He’s my buddy but I was glad Steeler nation rattled SoCal snobs like him

Here's how bad Haley was: Fitchner is markedly better.

I agree. I'm puzzled by the "wish we had Haley back" posts. I sure don't.

[Steeldrama]

Can’t speak for other posters but nowhere did I say I wanted Haley back
But I think Haley could do a better job than this gawd awful FEEKner is doing.
This of course is like comparing a Vega to a pinto. Both suck.
Those are really bad cars from the 70s to all of you kids posting from your moms basement

[tbsteel]

Fichtner improved our red zone scoring last year. That's about the only thing positive I would say for him. I think our offensive system sucks, and his playcalling against the Ravens and 49ers particularly had more to do with us losing than any fumble did. 5 wide let's get the ball out faster than anyone in the league and completely neuter Ben even more than Haley did, the hilarious re-run of the Wildcat against the Ravens that blew up in his face, short yardage playcalling failures, did nothing to develop and integrate Jaylen Samuels into the offense until he was already 0-3 despite Samuels looking every bit as good as Conner going into the season, any added weight he has in the draft room looks to have had a negative effect so far...

I mean, Haley sucks, but it's not like we'd be any worse with him this season than we are with Fichtner.

[El Kabong]

Can’t speak for other posters but nowhere did I say I wanted Haley back
But I think Haley could do a better job than this gawd awful FEEKner is doing.
This of course is like comparing a Vega to a pinto. Both suck.
Those are really bad cars from the 70s to all of you kids posting from your moms basement

I didn't have you in mind, but I have seen such posts.

[Steeldrama]

This year...even for the one whole game he had Ben...I think Fitchner is Joe Walton bad

There I said it. I feel better now

[Steelafan77]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

Ravens loss was on Juju's fumble. 49ers loss was on Conner's fumble. Not sure how Tomlin was outcoached in those games, and understand, I haven't got much use for him.

I say that because Tomlin coached Steeler teams always allow teams to hang around. Always allow teams to make up the point deficit. That's why I said that. I'd like to think that's why the defense went hard at the offense in practices too. Ball security seems to be an issue that hasn't been coached up. Add to this the stupid mind boggling in game decisions and ultra conservative and vanilla game plan. We do what we do.

[cop1211]

How did Edmunds look?

[franco32]

How did Edmunds look?

Same as always. Late to react. Taking false steps. Ok tackler in a crowd. Struggles with change of direction in space.

To be fair, he was a bit better than normal in the Chargers game. However, TEs still ate our lunch at times.

[Obviously]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

Ravens loss was on Juju's fumble. 49ers loss was on Conner's fumble. Not sure how Tomlin was outcoached in those games, and understand, I haven't got much use for him.

I say that because Tomlin coached Steeler teams always allow teams to hang around. Always allow teams to make up the point deficit. That's why I said that. I'd like to think that's why the defense went hard at the offense in practices too. Ball security seems to be an issue that hasn't been coached up. Add to this the stupid mind boggling in game decisions and ultra conservative and vanilla game plan. We do what we do.

Thanks 77. All valid points.

[Orangesteel]

How did Edmunds look?

Same as always. Late to react. Taking false steps. Ok tackler in a crowd. Struggles with change of direction in space.

To be fair, he was a bit better than normal in the Chargers game. However, TEs still ate our lunch at times.

My brother and I were saying the game seems to be too fast for Edmunds. I think he had a pick his rookie year but man, everything since then he just looks slow and wayyy too reactionary (as opposed to anticipatory). And his reactions are slow. He seems to get confused between when to make a play on the ball versus the intended target. Basically everything that Minkah is not. Minkah has done wonder for our secondary though, I mean wow. Guys are playing more freely and loose, which amounts to football players making football plays (which is what myself and B2B have been saying for a while)

I get the price was high but Minkah is an excellent addition and will hold this secondary down for years to come.

[955876]

Home run B2B.

This...

[swissvale72]

Well done B2B...

This team in one word..., Predictable! So predictable that they offer the opposing team added advantage.

Can we really expect this defense continuing to play as they did in L.A.? I think that's a lot to ask especially with the injuries adding up and the walking wounded riding in the tub.

Don't know if this game was an anomaly or just plain lucky win. To allow the Chargers to come back like they did proved [at least to me] this team is not as good as they could be. They are better than their record states but not by much considering who they've played to this point. Honestly, I expect a fight to the end after the bye week when Miami comes in for a visit.

When the Steelers play the better organized teams they fall short. Seahawks, Ravens, 49'ers. All beatable. Not that the Steelers were out-talented just out coached.

QB play and plan of attack on offense was the difference vs 49ers and Ravens. Seahawks feature one of the Bert QBs to ever sling it and he was at the top of his game that day.

How they adjust to no Tuitt will tell the tale, but I think they still have a chance at 7 or 8 wins.

i'm seeing 9 wins, maybe 10, and an AFC North title.

Agree that Steelers play it too carefully, but I'm not gonna bitch a whole after a win, though I'll bitch some. Yelled back at the TV when Collinsworth, after the 4Q pick said that Duck would be throwing no more passes. He was almost right; I think there was one more pass after that. What Tomlin almost never does when trying to exhaust the clock, is to throw on 2nd down & medium rather than waiting until 3rd down.

[Drummer Boy]

1st & 10 at 50
(10:36 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass deep left intended for J.Holton INTERCEPTED by R.Jenkins at LAC 22. R.Jenkins to LAC 30 for 8 yards (N.Vannett).

LAC go 70 yds score TD. Steelers 24-10.

Thanks for the play-by-play, STD.

I think the offensive approach was fine. We should have kept doing it instead of picking that terrible moment to try a long one. It's 24-3 with 10:36 left, a first down on the 50, and we are moving the ball well. If we just keep doing the same for 20-or-so more yards, we kick a field goal, run a couple more minutes off the clock, and the game is over for real.

[steelmann58]

On Hodges Int i still putting the issue with holton not fighting for the ball.

[Steelafan77]

How did Edmunds look?

NO different than before. Disappointment comes to mind. Fitz I think draws the viewer's eyes away from Edmunds because Fitz is a Stud in the making. SS is a concern going forward. I'd almost like to see if Kelly can handle playing SS. In other words, the better Fitz plays the better that safety core looks...

[bradshaw2ben]

They were running into literally 9-man boxes. I have no problem with passing the ball in that situation, although the particular choice of risky deep throw may not have been the best one.

I’m not seeing 9 wins because of QB play. There will be some more close games lost. I suspect they’ll be competitive in every game remaining.

[Drummer Boy]

They were running into literally 9-man boxes. I have no problem with passing the ball in that situation, although the particular choice of risky deep throw may not have been the best one.

Fair enough. My only problem is with the deep throw in that situation. In fact that might have been a perfect spot for an intermediate throw.

If you are checking the all-22, B2B, maybe you can tell us whether guys were getting open?