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[Legacy User]

Either way this team made a huge error in spending dollars on the offense when a pass rusher was more critical.

They spent next to nothing on Green.

There was and is still $ to be spent on an edge rusher.

I'm with Donnie on this one.

Green money + Extra money = 1 top edge rusher

Take out Green's money and you can't sign one.

I have never bought in to the need for a seam splitting TE, especially not a one way player. I'm not optimistic about the addition of a soft TE to an already soft offense. I really hope I'm wrong.

I think he was brought in, in large part to replace or make up for what they were gonna miss without the Alien.

[Steelafan77]

An awful lot of expectations with this guy. I expect there will be some 'game time rust' and can only hope folks don't crucify him for not performing to those expectations.

[Scunge]

Well, the thing is, just like Bryant, he does not have to generate a 5 catch, 100 yard, 2 TD game every single week because his impact will be felt regardless, his influence will be felt. Defenses are getting away with murder right now, for lack of a better phrase, and are bracketing Antonio Brown and hell, I have seen cases of them using three defenders on him. It is no wonder he is frustrated this year and that his numbers and big plays are down. Green is going to free up Brown, that bracketing is going to lessen from here on out as Ben goes to Green exploiting the middle of the field. Teams are going to have to adjust.

If the Cowboys try and ignore Green or don't fully respect his game, Ben is going to light them up. I hope defenses try and pull the same shit with Green that they have been doing with Jesse James and Grimble and Johnson. I think that trio have been doing a very good job under the circumstances but they don't have the speed and athleticism of Green.

In terms of fans not believing that a vertical threat TE was necessary for this offense, these must be the same fans that didn't think having a RB catch and run routes like a WR would be a good thing either.

This season isn't over. 16 games is a long season and we still have half of it to play. If we get healthy, if the offense comes together now with Green, if Coates can get back to where he was before the hand injury, if the high draft picks on defense come on and make an impact, Burns, Davis, Hargraves, Dupree, everything is still possible.

[Steelafan77]

Scunge, I believe this team has needed a 'move TE' (well) before Miller retired. So I am one of those fans that feels like the prayers were answered. The only reason my post sounds apprehensive is due to the same old shit. 'The Standard is the Standard', 'We Do What We Do', which frustrates the hell out of me. To me that means that Green will be required to block as an extra OT on most plays and occasionally run routes where he won't be thrown a pass. What I'm saying is, I have my doubts that Haley will game plan this guy to succeed. How many times do we see this in game? Weapons misused or even ignored... Me of little faith expect to see the epic failure that has become the status quo if you will. Obviously.

[Scunge]

I have been disappointed that Haley and Ben have not thrown to Grimble more, deep down the field. The man has been running very good routes and he has good movement skills. After Green he is the most fluid, natural pass catcher out there at TE and he has been open, he was open a number of times against Baltimore. They have been using him a lot this year to clear out areas so that the WRs can get the glory. I have seen Brown get two TDs this year with Grimble drawing away a safety.

Green is so much faster that than Grimble that it will cause even more hesitation and more confusion on defense.

I would not have believed it at the beginning of the season but Grimble and Jesse James have been splitting the snaps the past couple games. Xavier has had 42 snaps against the Ravens and 42 snaps against NE. James had 54 snaps against NE and then only 31 snaps against the Ravens. James has gone from seeing 100% of the snaps, to 96 to 74 and now just 45% this past game. His special teams work has also declined, the amount of snaps he is seeing there as well.

Moving forward it is not just a foregone conclusion that James will be the #2 TE, it looks like the team internally feels that James has plateaued and leveled off. Meanwhile Grimble the past two games has seen a massive uptick in the amount of playing time, even on special teams as well.

An offense where Green and Grimble are your two TEs would be pretty impressive. Those are your two fastest, most athletic TEs and it could really get this offense, and this team, off of life support.

I also want to tip my cap to B2B, he was saying a month back that James may lose ground once Green was back, that he may fall to the #3 TE. I did not think it was possible, hell, it may even be possible that Johnson is kept as the #3 over James for his blocking. Interesting times ahead.

[bradshaw2ben]

It just stands to reason, Scunge. Green does everything that James does, only better. Grimble does things that neither do. David Johnson is strictly a role player, but he's better at that role than James, Green, and maybe Grimble. The health of Nix is a factor in DJ staying.

If I read the rules correctly, James is practice squad eligible. I believe once you see that Green is healthy enough to start without limiting his snaps, then cutting James and signing him to practice squad is a pretty good option. He can still practice, he can still be in the system/building, and if anything happens to Green or Grimble, it's a simple transaction.

[Legacy User]

Scunge, I believe this team has needed a 'move TE' (well) before Miller retired. So I am one of those fans that feels like the prayers were answered. The only reason my post sounds apprehensive is due to the same old shit. 'The Standard is the Standard', 'We Do What We Do', which frustrates the hell out of me. To me that means that Green will be required to block as an extra OT on most plays and occasionally run routes where he won't be thrown a pass. What I'm saying is, I have my doubts that Haley will game plan this guy to succeed. How many times do we see this in game? Weapons misused or even ignored... Me of little faith expect to see the epic failure that has become the status quo if you will. Obviously.

I think Green is going to make a HUGE difference both in the passing and running game. Hear me out.

YES he is primarily a "move" TE and should be used as such. HOWEVER, say what you will about the "Outlaw", he absolutely BLOWS as a blocker. In short, he is a pussy. It's not like he tries to block and fails, from what I've seen he clearly avoids contact. Not a good trait for your "sixth OL".

From the tape I've seen of Green I see no such avoidance issues. He's going to get the job done in the running game, and if not, it won't be for lack of trying. His size alone is going to lead to a lot of effective blocking even if it's just him taking up space.

I think this is a major turning point in the season. Coates can be adequate as long as he is a secondary threat (now he'll be the fourth option after AB, Green and Bell). As a #2 or #3 even, he doesn't (yet, prove me wrong) have the consistency to be someone we can count on.