Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.

[R_S]

You too RS. Saudi Arabia is such a different place, but they want and do the same things we do. It's crazy over here to see the similarities. I love that I get to travel and experience these things. The people are so warm and actually love America and their country. I feel humbled. Sorry if I came across crass I just got carried away.

That's interesting. It seems like such a different world. I've had the opportunity to travel to 21 countries, but never the middle east. I know I've been reading about the Prince (i think it's the prince) who seems to be taking steps to bring the Saudis into a more progressive society.

[Steelraptor]

You are very correct RS. We call him MBS over here Mohammad Bin Salman. He is 34. Over 51 percent of all Saudis are under 30. He understands that oil is not going to carry his nation further so he is changing that. I applaud you for knowing that. Do many don't give a shit. Like you I am a traveler "39 countries and 6 continents down". Love the experience. 24 years air Force did that for that for me. Changed my mind on a lot of issues.

[R_S]

Alright RS I get we all want Shazier to get well, however I would like to know where this is coming from, "positive thoughts (which have been proven to improve health)". I believe science will help Shazier improve, not some thought process. I just read an article that said thousands in Africa were dying from snake bites because they went to local shaman's. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/20/africa
Please sure your source

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -thoughts/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ne-system/

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... e-thinking



I'm not talking about religion curing anything. I'm talking about reduced stress levels (derived from comfort). Cortisol is released by stress and causes inflammation throughout the body and decreases immune function.

The mind is a powerful thing. You've heard of the placebo effect. It's real, and proof that the brain has a lot of power.

Once again, any avenue that gets someone in a positive, stress free state of mind is a good thing. Whether that is religion, meditation, or athiesm. I don't care. It allows the body to work optimally.

PS: The shaman thing is completely unrelated to what I'm talking about. The Brain IS science. It's the most advanced science there is.

[W&M_Steeler]

Silly religious people!

"God got the message". God must've decided to take yo boys legs too.

Dumbass sheep.

You have to be a serious fucking loser c*nt to post a political message in a thread like this.

It shows that Cody is just as much of a fundamentalist nutcase as the most overzealous, intolerant fundamentalist bible thumper. Two sides of the same coin. They just can't help themselves, and they certainly can't keep their mouths shut.

[Steelraptor]

Excellent sources. I see what you are talking about. I just get confounded when religious thoughts get confused with scientific fact. In the end your thought process and your willing to deal with what you are dealt will help you to deal with what's going on, but ultimately science and your body's ability to deal with the stress is going to take over. Agree?

[Steelraptor]

No W&M he is expressing his feelings against a society that doesn't accept his views, yet he can do that on a forum just like you. He should have been more tactful, however I get where the young man is coming from. Christianity teaches faith and tolerance. Don't attack. I have seen enough intolerance over here in the middle East

[W&M_Steeler]

No W&M he is expressing his feelings against a society that doesn't accept his views, yet he can do that on a forum just like you. He should have been more tactful, however I get where the young man is coming from. Christianity teaches faith and tolerance. Don't attack. I have seen enough intolerance over here in the middle East

Bull. There's no excuse for his post. He was taking a gratuitous shot against the Shazier's religion because he is seething with hatred and can't contain himself. As someone who has been an atheist for most of his adult life, I can say that Cody is precisely the type that give atheists a bad name. His post, in this context, is only a step or two below the Westboro Baptist nutjobs picketing funerals.

[Steelraptor]

Oh come on W&M no one is as terrible as that group. Cody was out of line, but there was no hatred against Shazier or his family. His post was directed at the religious aspect of everyone that prays for his recovery, when the so called God put him there in the first place. Its a simple atheist principle that probably should not have been mentioned in this post, but then again not many want to confront that truth and there in lies the issue.

[COR-TEN]

Being critical of that is a dick move, and christian violence during The Reformation of 1500 doesn't give it validation in 2017

You think that's the extent of religious harm? Nah, religion hasn't fucked people over for over 2,000 years. And you don't even have to look at more than the last 75 years

[zeke5123]

No W&M he is expressing his feelings against a society that doesn't accept his views, yet he can do that on a forum just like you. He should have been more tactful, however I get where the young man is coming from. Christianity teaches faith and tolerance. Don't attack. I have seen enough intolerance over here in the middle East

What the fuck does that even mean? In what ways is atheism not accepted in mainstream American culture? I recognize that I live in a NY / Yuppie bubble, but the idea that someone would be shunned for being an atheist is wholly foreign. In fact, it would be culturally superior to be an atheist compared to say a fundementalist. Further, I believe that most of my peer group seem to believe in a god, but such god is divorced from any theistic underpinnings and there is no true faith because there is no obligation. Read Bonhoeffer on faith. So, agnostic (or Christian agnostic which is how I’d describe myself) is the predominant cultural belief in my bubble.

I recognize mileage may vary, but I think NY is mainstream American culture.

[Legacy User]

Cody and SteelRaptor,

As an agnostic, let me just say....

First, science cannot test for God's existence because God is supposed a non-physical being. A metaphysical entity is simply beyond what science studies and accepts. Some neurobiologists will also insist there is no such thing as mind or consciousness for the same reason.

Second, there are rational proofs for the existence of God. Whether you accept the reasoning is another story. I assure you, Thomas Aquinas was not a dullard.

I do not understand the need to be pointlessly provocative in this cas

[Steelraptor]

Still Lit
Let me first say I really enjoy your insight into anything that is even slightly controversial. Your insight is welcome. I read Cody's post as incitive and understood his words, while juvenile, I understand where he is coming from.
Gravity is a theory, much like evolution. I respect everyone's opinion, but I see science saving more lives then "praying" ever has. My eyes are proof enough that science trumps religion. Cody was wrong and harsh in his assessment, but he has a point that everyone try to ignore.

[Legacy User]

Still Lit
Let me first say I really enjoy your insight into anything that is even slightly controversial. Your insight is welcome. I read Cody's post as incitive and understood his words, while juvenile, I understand where he is coming from.
Gravity is a theory, much like evolution. I respect everyone's opinion, but I see science saving more lives then "praying" ever has. My eyes are proof enough that science trumps religion. Cody was wrong and harsh in his assessment, but he has a point that everyone try to ignore.

Thank you for your kind words.

What I meant to convey is that the existence of a divine being can be neither confirmed nor disconfirmed by the physical sciences. Their methods and assumptions do not allow for testing whether such a being exists.

I also meant to convey, contrary to Cody's assumptions, that there can be a rational reasons for supposing a god must exist.

Go Steelers! They'll need God to beat the Pats!

[R_S]

Being critical of that is a dick move, and christian violence during The Reformation of 1500 doesn't give it validation in 2017

You think that's the extent of religious harm? Nah, religion hasn't fucked people over for over 2,000 years. And you don't even have to look at more than the last 75 years

You must be an Islamophobe

[drmalba]

Actually, as a fellow atheist, my take is Cody didn’t have to say anything at all.

Who here benefitted from such a message?

This.
I have major intellectual and personal issues with organized religion ...yet I have to weigh that against the fact that most of the broad spectrum of so-called religious people I personally know are just not the walking caricatures they are often made out to be. What I find when I scrutinize the issue is that religion is usually an aspect of their lives that strengthens and reinforces the better parts of their natures, nor weakens their intellect. (Which, coincidentally, is often the argument made for atheism.)

To me, its a hard assignment to get through any day in this world and whatever makes it happen for you and doesn't injure another is generally fine by me. And that especially goes for Shazier and his family.

[Steelcody7]

Wow! He wasn't attacking Shazier or his family, he was simply pointing out the silly thought that prayer was going to help him heal when God put him there in the first place.
However, I understand the outrage from all you fine upstanding Christian individuals, and I too would love to see Cody killed by a bus, banned and forever damned to hell for his beliefs. Lol. Love me some hypocrisy.

Don't worry Raptor, that's how religious people are haha.

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments. They act like Shazier's family would all jump from a bridge having read my comment. It's the same as a person with cancer thanking God for their recovery, when a team of medical professionals saved them. Their God implanted cancer in them, haha. (cancer = genetic anomaly and poor health) More people die in the name of their religion than in any war. It's an embarrassing flaw in humans.

I respect everyone's views "in real life". Hell, I buy gifts for 2-3 angel tree families a year, am a special education teacher, take food to homeless people, and on and on.

I want Shazier to make a full recovery to make the Steelers better. His well being has nothing to do with ANY of our lives. Sorry, I'm not PC and the dude caused his own injury. Obviously I feel horrible for the guy and hope he lives a normal life outside of football.

Also for RS's keyboard warrior post, I've had plenty of run-ins with religious people. They're the ones who end up yelling and making threats because there's no intelligent backing for the existence of a God.

How many of you Christian fruitcakes wished injury on Brady and Gronk?
It's a message board and I think most of you are fucking morons, so tact isn't my priority.

[Kodiak]

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments.

I can't stop laughing at how "thoughts and prayers" apparently triggers you.

[Legacy User]

Wow! He wasn't attacking Shazier or his family, he was simply pointing out the silly thought that prayer was going to help him heal when God put him there in the first place.
However, I understand the outrage from all you fine upstanding Christian individuals, and I too would love to see Cody killed by a bus, banned and forever damned to hell for his beliefs. Lol. Love me some hypocrisy.

Don't worry Raptor, that's how religious people are haha.

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments. They act like Shazier's family would all jump from a bridge having read my comment. It's the same as a person with cancer thanking God for their recovery, when a team of medical professionals saved them. Their God implanted cancer in them, haha. (cancer = genetic anomaly and poor health) More people die in the name of their religion than in any war. It's an embarrassing flaw in humans.

I respect everyone's views "in real life". Hell, I buy gifts for 2-3 angel tree families a year, am a special education teacher, take food to homeless people, and on and on.

I want Shazier to make a full recovery to make the Steelers better. His well being has nothing to do with ANY of our lives. Sorry, I'm not PC and the dude caused his own injury. Obviously I feel horrible for the guy and hope he lives a normal life outside of football.

Also for RS's keyboard warrior post, I've had plenty of run-ins with religious people. They're the ones who end up yelling and making threats because there's no intelligent backing for the existence of a God.

How many of you Christian fruitcakes wished injury on Brady and Gronk?
It's a message board and I think most of you are fucking morons, so tact isn't my priority.

This fkn retard just doubled down on his ignorance. Ban this pos.

[sinceiwas4]

just a couple thoughts...one shouldn't confuse religion, or the religious, with all belief in a spiritual aspect of reality...or blame the religious' god for the piss poor actions of some that claim belief in them. whether you also believe in something or nothing yourself. nor should we blame other folk that believe in the same god for the crap that fellow members of their religions pull...it's like blaming the owner, or the kicker, when a running back fumbles the ball.
there are good folk that are athiests. there are good folk that are theists. and there's damn sure plenty of bad eggs to be had that are both as well. all this us and them bullshit that's going on is ridiculous. how many ways do we have to have to divide ourselves? why are we so quick to point out our differences and belittle the people that don't sit on our side of the fence? especially on a forum that we all come to because of something we have in common? Go Steelers.

[Steelcody7]

Wow! He wasn't attacking Shazier or his family, he was simply pointing out the silly thought that prayer was going to help him heal when God put him there in the first place.
However, I understand the outrage from all you fine upstanding Christian individuals, and I too would love to see Cody killed by a bus, banned and forever damned to hell for his beliefs. Lol. Love me some hypocrisy.

Don't worry Raptor, that's how religious people are haha.

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments. They act like Shazier's family would all jump from a bridge having read my comment. It's the same as a person with cancer thanking God for their recovery, when a team of medical professionals saved them. Their God implanted cancer in them, haha. (cancer = genetic anomaly and poor health) More people die in the name of their religion than in any war. It's an embarrassing flaw in humans.

I respect everyone's views "in real life". Hell, I buy gifts for 2-3 angel tree families a year, am a special education teacher, take food to homeless people, and on and on.

I want Shazier to make a full recovery to make the Steelers better. His well being has nothing to do with ANY of our lives. Sorry, I'm not PC and the dude caused his own injury. Obviously I feel horrible for the guy and hope he lives a normal life outside of football.

Also for RS's keyboard warrior post, I've had plenty of run-ins with religious people. They're the ones who end up yelling and making threats because there's no intelligent backing for the existence of a God.

How many of you Christian fruitcakes wished injury on Brady and Gronk?
It's a message board and I think most of you are fucking morons, so tact isn't my priority.

This fkn retard just doubled down on his ignorance. Ban this pos.

Nice intelligent response.

Come back when you have something smart to say. Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.

[Kodiak]

Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.

So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?

[COR-TEN]

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[zeke5123]

Nice intelligent response.

Come back when you have something smart to say. Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.

But those who substitute the word moron for retard are truly the Poincare of our generation. Either you are the least self-aware easily offended person of all time or you are a great troll.

[W&M_Steeler]

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments.

I can't stop laughing at how "thoughts and prayers" apparently triggers you.

He's a textbook example of why the "New Atheist" movement of last decade fizzled out.

[randomsteelerfan]

Wow! He wasn't attacking Shazier or his family, he was simply pointing out the silly thought that prayer was going to help him heal when God put him there in the first place.
However, I understand the outrage from all you fine upstanding Christian individuals, and I too would love to see Cody killed by a bus, banned and forever damned to hell for his beliefs. Lol. Love me some hypocrisy.

Don't worry Raptor, that's how religious people are haha.

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments. They act like Shazier's family would all jump from a bridge having read my comment. It's the same as a person with cancer thanking God for their recovery, when a team of medical professionals saved them. Their God implanted cancer in them, haha. (cancer = genetic anomaly and poor health) More people die in the name of their religion than in any war. It's an embarrassing flaw in humans.

I respect everyone's views "in real life". Hell, I buy gifts for 2-3 angel tree families a year, am a special education teacher, take food to homeless people, and on and on.

I want Shazier to make a full recovery to make the Steelers better. His well being has nothing to do with ANY of our lives. Sorry, I'm not PC and the dude caused his own injury. Obviously I feel horrible for the guy and hope he lives a normal life outside of football.

Also for RS's keyboard warrior post, I've had plenty of run-ins with religious people. They're the ones who end up yelling and making threats because there's no intelligent backing for the existence of a God.

How many of you Christian fruitcakes wished injury on Brady and Gronk?
It's a message board and I think most of you are fucking morons, so tact isn't my priority.

Wow, I can't think of a better example of “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.”

Talk about contradiction and plain disingenuousness. Respect is exactly what you obviously have none of. Don't pretend like you do just because of a few token acts of kindness.

[955876]

But I know God is getting the message

If reading an innocuous comment like the one above from a stranger that is in no way directed at you and obviously is being used as a source of strength for them during a trying time propels you to “point out the foolishness” of their comments in addition to calling said person or anyone that agrees with them a “dumbass sheep” then you are most definitely a delicate snowflake.

[Legacy User]

This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

[Jobu]

This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry...
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)

[Legacy User]

This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry...
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)

Sorry if the use of “Holiday” offended anyone. I assumed it was generic enough to limit the number of people who might find it offensive.

[W&M_Steeler]

This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry...
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)

Sorry if the use of “Holiday” offended anyone. I assumed it was generic enough to limit the number of people who might find it offensive.

Cody's going to tear you a new one once he gets off of his fainting couch!