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Re: Another article on Ben being the locker room problem

Post by Donnie Brasco » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 pm

SteelKnife wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
You're back on this bullshit huh?

Peyton Manning...considered one of the best QB's and leaders of his generation said his kicker was an idiot.
He also publicly called out his Oline saying we had "Protection problems"
He also tbagged an athletic trainer back in his college days

Ben actually went out of his way in his first SB win on the podium to proclaim the haters of his Oline can suck a dick
Ben never called out his kicker and this was the year he easily could have done it and everyone would have agreed

Yet 1 is portrayed by the media as a leader of men and the other portrayed as an ass grabbing neanderthal...funny how perception and reality works


Back on what bull shit? Who even are you?


Your act is well known and tired around here
But please feel free to refute any of those facts



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Post by Steelknife » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:45 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
You're back on this bullshit huh?

Peyton Manning...considered one of the best QB's and leaders of his generation said his kicker was an idiot.
He also publicly called out his Oline saying we had "Protection problems"
He also tbagged an athletic trainer back in his college days

Ben actually went out of his way in his first SB win on the podium to proclaim the haters of his Oline can suck a dick
Ben never called out his kicker and this was the year he easily could have done it and everyone would have agreed

Yet 1 is portrayed by the media as a leader of men and the other portrayed as an ass grabbing neanderthal...funny how perception and reality works


Back on what bull shit? Who even are you?


Your act is well known and tired around here
But please feel free to refute any of those facts


What act? I've posted like 10 times on the Steelers board in the past year. I have no clue what you're talking about, but I'm positive you're confusing me with someone else.

Edit: I literally just went through my posts since like last June, and I mention Ben critically twice, once after the Denver INT and once after an INT earlier in the season. Both were "What is Ben doing?" type comments. So I legit have no idea what you're talking about.

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Post by Jobu » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:53 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
You're back on this bullshit huh?

Peyton Manning...considered one of the best QB's and leaders of his generation said his kicker was an idiot.
He also publicly called out his Oline saying we had "Protection problems"
He also tbagged an athletic trainer back in his college days

Ben actually went out of his way in his first SB win on the podium to proclaim the haters of his Oline can suck a dick
Ben never called out his kicker and this was the year he easily could have done it and everyone would have agreed

Yet 1 is portrayed by the media as a leader of men and the other portrayed as an ass grabbing neanderthal...funny how perception and reality works


Back on what bull shit? Who even are you?


Your act is well known and tired around here
But please feel free to refute any of those facts

Are you possibly confusing SteelKnife with SteelPowerful?

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:24 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:Are you possibly confusing SteelKnife with SteelPowerful?

And then everything changed
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Post by FC » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:09 am

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FC wrote:Steel Knife was a great kid who has grown into a very good man....We all have views and opinions. I think he holds Ben to a very high standard...I think Knife still has some bitter feeling towards Ben over the incidents in Vegas and Ga....I cannot and will not judge.


What I'm wondering is where this narrative that I've historically been anti-Ben comes from. Unless I've been blacked out and posting or someone has been posting as me, it's just not true.

I think Ben is a great quarterback.
I don't think Ben is a great leader.
You can be both an asshole and a good leader.
I think your job as quarterback is to work to build a relationship with all of your teammates, especially on offense.
I think the locker room has taken on his personality as a bit of a drama queen.
I think we can win super bowls with Ben.
I don't think Colbert-esque comments on how Ben could cuck him help us toward that goal.
The buck ultimately stops with Tomlin, whose strength is supposedly being a "player's coach."


That is fair. You have high standards which can be confused with being a prick. At least that is the impression I have from Stillers to fury and also on twitter. The reason I said anything...You live and hold yourself to the high standards you expect of others...Otherwise I would call you a hypocritical douche bag...The reality is you're a rare person in this world...You practice what you preach.

I also happen to hold Donnie in high regards...So I kinda involved myself in this squabble because you're both decent dudes who may have the wrong impression of each other.

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Post by SteelPowerful » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:28 am

Are you possibly confusing SteelKnife with SteelPowerful?


So there are a number of individuals on this board suffering from dementia?!!!

Well blow me down!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben is part of the problem and it is quite apparent. Tomlin is also the problem.

No doubt Bell and Brown were two ego-maniacs.

But an arrogant imbecile and another stubborn one were reasons for the two leaving.

Tomlin for Bell

Ben for Brown.

You have to handle ego-maniacs with skill and neither Ben nor Tomlin have proven that they have elite people skills.

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Post by tbsteel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:29 am

So many "journalists" out there fishing for a story.

Move the fuck on already. We got rid of the drama after giving you guys easy stories for months.
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Post by Legacy User » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:47 am

Okay who is the poster who got pissed at Ben for not reacting as he hoped after he touched him on the shoulder or something?

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Post by jeemie » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:54 am

Poltargyst wrote:Okay who is the poster who got pissed at Ben for not reacting as he hoped after he touched him on the shoulder or something?


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Post by R_S » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:51 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Are you possibly confusing SteelKnife with SteelPowerful?

And then everything changed


This is a misunderstanding. Knife has been busy with lawsuits on illegal spam faxes and chasin ambulances.

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Post by swissvale72 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:10 am

Reminding me of the OP in 2008 that garnered me a two-year ban from this esteemed website....

Sacred Fuckin' Cows of Steelerfury.com

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Post by RemoAZ » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:31 am

SteelThrillsseeker wrote:Maybe these ppl just want their names in the spotlight.

Maybe Ben wants no part of being associated with anyone resembling a piece of trash after all the shit he’s already been thru.

Reading the newspaper while sitting on a water cooler made me laugh.


That's my take on this. After all Ben has been through, can anybody blame him for not wanting to hang around guys that have been busted for drugs like Bell or had domestic issues like Brown has with his GFs? Ben can't afford any more bad press. Imagine him doing an interview high as fuck like Brown did recently. The media would have crucified him. Yeah he's said some dumb things in the media calling out his teammates. Let's face it, people get offended over the smallest shit these days. Americans have become the biggest pussies in the world. Ben has to recognize that and choose his words more carefully. If that's the worst thing he does for the rest of his career, I think we'd all be very happy. Maybe if we didn't have so many pussies on offense they'd actually carry this team to the SB like their talent should.
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Post by Steelknife » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:43 am

R S wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Are you possibly confusing SteelKnife with SteelPowerful?

And then everything changed


This is a misunderstanding. Knife has been busy with lawsuits on illegal spam faxes and chasin ambulances.


Good living. Family gotta eat.

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Post by Legacy User » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:21 am

Jeemie wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:Okay who is the poster who got pissed at Ben for not reacting as he hoped after he touched him on the shoulder or something?


Chicago Steel, I believe.

Yes, good call.

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Post by Gonzo » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:07 pm

This was not a problem before
It is a problem now with two players who will say anything to get more money and with a head coach who has zero control over his team and locker because he is either incapabale of it or too lazy.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:36 pm

Poltargyst wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:Okay who is the poster who got pissed at Ben for not reacting as he hoped after he touched him on the shoulder or something?


Chicago Steel, I believe.

Yes, good call.


Supposedly happened at Lake Tahoe. Funny AF.
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Post by Havoc » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Gonzo wrote:This was not a problem before
It is a problem now with two players who will say anything to get more money
and with a head coach who has zero control over his team and locker because he is either incapabale of it or too lazy.


The bolded is exactly right.

Do current leaders on the team have a problem with Ben? It does not appear to be the case.

This is all going to blow over most likely, it will all be in the rear view mirror at some point next season unless the team collapses.

It's going to be very funny if the offense keeps rolling next season without AB and Bell.

On the idea that Ben wasn't the right leader for AB... a load of shit in light of AB willing to do and say anything to get more money and more guaranteed money which he knew he wasn't getting in Pittsburgh and in light of the fact that we got AB to give us his best years, his prime years. The Raiders aren't getting prime AB and never will. Prime AB played for the Steelers, we got all of it out of the slimeball.
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Post by JackLambert58 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:44 pm

If there's a locker room problem, the buck stops at Tomlin. He's the one that needs to put an end to any bullshit going on there regardless of if it's Roethlisberger, AB or the fuckin' waterboy. He simply doesn't deal with it or else we wouldn't see all the bullshit that has gone on for so fuckin' long.
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Post by swissvale72 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 pm

Havoc wrote:
Gonzo wrote:This was not a problem before
It is a problem now with two players who will say anything to get more money
and with a head coach who has zero control over his team and locker because he is either incapabale of it or too lazy.


The bolded is exactly right.

Do current leaders on the team have a problem with Ben? It does not appear to be the case.

This is all going to blow over most likely, it will all be in the rear view mirror at some point next season unless the team collapses.

It's going to be very funny if the offense keeps rolling next season without AB and Bell.

On the idea that Ben wasn't the right leader for AB... a load of shit in light of AB willing to do and say anything to get more money and more guaranteed money which he knew he wasn't getting in Pittsburgh and in light of the fact that we got AB to give us his best years, his prime years. The Raiders aren't getting prime AB and never will. Prime AB played for the Steelers, we got all of it out of the slimeball.


...won't be so funny if it doesn't.

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Post by blu » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:01 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:If there's a locker room problem, the buck stops at Tomlin. He's the one that needs to put an end to any bullshit going on there regardless of if it's Roethlisberger, AB or the fuckin' waterboy. He simply doesn't deal with it or else we wouldn't see all the bullshit that has gone on for so fuckin' long.

Unfortunately, true.

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Post by COR-TEN » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:20 pm

swissvale72 wrote:...won't be so funny if it doesn't.
I never imagined you to be a bed wetter. You are always the voice of patience during game threads.
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Post by Havoc » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:31 pm

Josh Harris played for the Steelers in 2014. From an article written in 2015...

Afterward, Roethlisberger calls Wheaton over. Some quarterbacks might give their receiver a tip on how to avoid the linebacker or applaud him for bravery. Roethlisberger does something different. Quietly, he tells Wheaton to get down next time. He is not concerned about how many extra passing yards he might get if Wheaton stays on his feet. He is concerned about his receiver's well-being.

The small gesture escaped the notice of many—but not all. Veteran guard Ramon Foster overheard the exchange. He says it was one of the most impressive things he's ever heard a teammate say to another. Foster says it speaks to Roethlisberger's "devotion" to his teammates.

"It's not just him working on himself," Foster said. "He wants to help others be better."

In those early years, Roethlisberger might have been the guy sitting alone in the cafeteria. Now, at 33, the second-oldest player on the roster, he's likely to join the guy sitting alone in the cafeteria.

Wheaton maneuvered to secure what he considers to be the prime spot in the Steelers locker room—the stall next to Roethlisberger's. And he uses it to his benefit, firing off questions like a preschooler and soaking up whatever wisdom the quarterback might pass along.


Since Wheaton is expected to replace Lance Moore as the Steelers' primary inside receiver, Roethlisberger has been going over Wheaton's routes with him after every practice. He also quizzes the receiver regularly.

"He goes out of his way a lot to help us young guys out," said Wheaton, a third-year player. "Whoever wants to learn, he's willing to help them. …He is always open to conversation. He never blows anybody off."

At another dinner, Roethlisberger asked each player what his goal was for 2015 and what he thought he needed to do in order to be his best. He also shared what he thought was necessary to make a great team and to make a great player. He reflected on some of the great teams he has been a part of.

In the offseason prior to last year, Roethlisberger invited Wheaton and fellow young wide receivers Antonio Brown, Justin Brown and Derek Moye to Newport Beach, California, for a few days so they could run routes, throw and catch and get some football time in during the period when NFL teams are not allowed to practice. The chemistry the quarterback built with his receivers in California helped the Steelers pass for more yards than 30 teams last season.

"He helped me be a better player by always challenging me," said Antonio Brown, a former sixth-round pick who led the NFL in receiving yards last season. "No matter what you achieve, he's always harping on continuously improving, finding ways to be better."

So this spring, Roethlisberger brought Brown, Wheaton, Martavis Bryant, Darrius Heyward-Bey and running back LeVeon Bell on a four-day excursion to Georgia, where they stayed at Roethlisberger's Greensboro lake house and trained at the University of Georgia. They worked out about two-and-a-half hours a day in advance of OTAs.

"We got great work," Bell said. "And we had a great time. It was a great thing for him to do.

Getting the on-field work in Georgia was great. But the best benefit, as Roethlisberger saw it, may have been relationship-building. There were 90 minutes in the car each day to talk and laugh. There was the daily stop at the Waffle House for breakfast. Pool time. Most of the afternoon was spent on one of Roethlisberger's boats or playing around on his jet skis. And then there were dinners out.

There were also the plane rides—on a private jet with catered meals. This was not an inexpensive endeavor, and Roethlisberger picked up the entire tab.

"The cost doesn't matter," Roethlisberger said. "I wanted to get to know the guys, and I thought it could help make us better. If it made me closer to them—and it did—it's all worth it. If it helps us win a Super Bowl, it's all worth it."

Additionally, Roethlisberger hosts get-togethers for teammates at his Pittsburgh-area home, where they swim in a pool with No. 7 on the bottom, and at his father's house, where they ride ATVs and grill steaks. A willingness to share is part of what endears Roethlisberger to his teammates.

Roethlisberger goes out of his way to be kind to rookies, Batch said. Whenever the Steelers had a rookie QB, he never had to pay the bill for the position-group dinner. Roethlisberger would take his credit card as if he was going to use it, and then pay himself.


"He even did a good job communicating with rookies he knew wouldn't make the team," Batch said. "He wanted to make sure he shared the experience with those guys so when they go back to tell stories in the barbershop or wherever, they remember him as a good teammate and say, 'Man, Ben was a pretty cool dude.'"

Being a backup to Roethlisberger has perks.

"I sat next to him in that room for nine of his 11 years," said Batch, now a media analyst in Pittsburgh. "I know what he's done, and it's a lot. And I'm not even including the little things he would get for the [quarterbacks] room: snacks, drinks, things to fill the refrigerator in there, or buying comfortable chairs for the room."

Some of his most precious gifts haven't cost a dime, though. When Antonio Brown decided to stay away from voluntary workouts this offseason, his quarterback called. Roethlisberger told him to make sure he showed up for OTAs, because he didn't want to see the media and fans turn on the receiver.


"He has made me a better person by talking about life things, family things," Brown said. "He has told me about mistakes he has made and encouraged me not to make the same mistakes. He talks about making sure we are doing the right thing for our families and being the best man we can be."

Roethlisberger also has provided counsel for Bell since he was charged with possession of marijuana and DUI last August. Bell, who was in middle school when Roethlisberger won his first Super Bowl, clearly looks up to his quarterback.

"He has told me I can't ever be in that situation again," Bell said. "He has had situations where he has gotten in trouble. He got some grief for it. I'm getting that same type of thing now. He told me just to ignore it all and let my play speak for itself. He said eventually people will forget it as long as you become a better person and player. They will remember the good things.

"He's always telling me right from wrong. He has said if I ever need help or have a problem, I should let him know."


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2505720-how-ben-roethlisberger-grew-up-and-became-one-of-the-nfls-great-teammates
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Post by swissvale72 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:52 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:...won't be so funny if it doesn't.
I never imagined you to be a bed wetter. You are always the voice of patience during game threads.


Call it what you will, Cor-Ten. I see a big dif between bitching about the outcome of a game, one minute in, and not being particularly hopeful for the upcoming season when we've lost huge fuckin' playmakers, gotten fucked over in the process, and still has the same dumbuck duo of coach & owner.

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Post by Gonzo » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:38 pm

blu wrote:
JackLambert58 wrote:If there's a locker room problem, the buck stops at Tomlin. He's the one that needs to put an end to any bullshit going on there regardless of if it's Roethlisberger, AB or the fuckin' waterboy. He simply doesn't deal with it or else we wouldn't see all the bullshit that has gone on for so fuckin' long.

Unfortunately, true.


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See it’s not his job ....

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Post by Kodiak » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:04 pm

swissvale72 wrote:Call it what you will, Cor-Ten. I see a big dif between bitching about the outcome of a game, one minute in, and not being particularly hopeful for the upcoming season when we've lost huge fuckin' playmakers, gotten fucked over in the process, and still has the same dumbuck duo of coach & owner.


It is a big difference, but completely opposite what you're saying.

You're writing off an entire season a few days into FA, and before the draft. That's uber mega bedwetting compared to people bitching a few minutes into the game about a clearly flat and unprepared team. That latter aren't necessarily writing off a game, much less an entire season.

However, I do agree this team is going nowhere with Tomlin. That's a common thread between bedwetters....although I'm not sure it should be called bedwetting if it's true.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:28 am

Havoc wrote:Josh Harris played for the Steelers in 2014. From an article written in 2015...

Afterward, Roethlisberger calls Wheaton over. Some quarterbacks might give their receiver a tip on how to avoid the linebacker or applaud him for bravery. Roethlisberger does something different. Quietly, he tells Wheaton to get down next time. He is not concerned about how many extra passing yards he might get if Wheaton stays on his feet. He is concerned about his receiver's well-being.

The small gesture escaped the notice of many—but not all. Veteran guard Ramon Foster overheard the exchange. He says it was one of the most impressive things he's ever heard a teammate say to another. Foster says it speaks to Roethlisberger's "devotion" to his teammates.

"It's not just him working on himself," Foster said. "He wants to help others be better."

In those early years, Roethlisberger might have been the guy sitting alone in the cafeteria. Now, at 33, the second-oldest player on the roster, he's likely to join the guy sitting alone in the cafeteria.

Wheaton maneuvered to secure what he considers to be the prime spot in the Steelers locker room—the stall next to Roethlisberger's. And he uses it to his benefit, firing off questions like a preschooler and soaking up whatever wisdom the quarterback might pass along.


Since Wheaton is expected to replace Lance Moore as the Steelers' primary inside receiver, Roethlisberger has been going over Wheaton's routes with him after every practice. He also quizzes the receiver regularly.

"He goes out of his way a lot to help us young guys out," said Wheaton, a third-year player. "Whoever wants to learn, he's willing to help them. …He is always open to conversation. He never blows anybody off."

At another dinner, Roethlisberger asked each player what his goal was for 2015 and what he thought he needed to do in order to be his best. He also shared what he thought was necessary to make a great team and to make a great player. He reflected on some of the great teams he has been a part of.

In the offseason prior to last year, Roethlisberger invited Wheaton and fellow young wide receivers Antonio Brown, Justin Brown and Derek Moye to Newport Beach, California, for a few days so they could run routes, throw and catch and get some football time in during the period when NFL teams are not allowed to practice. The chemistry the quarterback built with his receivers in California helped the Steelers pass for more yards than 30 teams last season.

"He helped me be a better player by always challenging me," said Antonio Brown, a former sixth-round pick who led the NFL in receiving yards last season. "No matter what you achieve, he's always harping on continuously improving, finding ways to be better."

So this spring, Roethlisberger brought Brown, Wheaton, Martavis Bryant, Darrius Heyward-Bey and running back LeVeon Bell on a four-day excursion to Georgia, where they stayed at Roethlisberger's Greensboro lake house and trained at the University of Georgia. They worked out about two-and-a-half hours a day in advance of OTAs.

"We got great work," Bell said. "And we had a great time. It was a great thing for him to do.

Getting the on-field work in Georgia was great. But the best benefit, as Roethlisberger saw it, may have been relationship-building. There were 90 minutes in the car each day to talk and laugh. There was the daily stop at the Waffle House for breakfast. Pool time. Most of the afternoon was spent on one of Roethlisberger's boats or playing around on his jet skis. And then there were dinners out.

There were also the plane rides—on a private jet with catered meals. This was not an inexpensive endeavor, and Roethlisberger picked up the entire tab.

"The cost doesn't matter," Roethlisberger said. "I wanted to get to know the guys, and I thought it could help make us better. If it made me closer to them—and it did—it's all worth it. If it helps us win a Super Bowl, it's all worth it."

Additionally, Roethlisberger hosts get-togethers for teammates at his Pittsburgh-area home, where they swim in a pool with No. 7 on the bottom, and at his father's house, where they ride ATVs and grill steaks. A willingness to share is part of what endears Roethlisberger to his teammates.

Roethlisberger goes out of his way to be kind to rookies, Batch said. Whenever the Steelers had a rookie QB, he never had to pay the bill for the position-group dinner. Roethlisberger would take his credit card as if he was going to use it, and then pay himself.


"He even did a good job communicating with rookies he knew wouldn't make the team," Batch said. "He wanted to make sure he shared the experience with those guys so when they go back to tell stories in the barbershop or wherever, they remember him as a good teammate and say, 'Man, Ben was a pretty cool dude.'"

Being a backup to Roethlisberger has perks.

"I sat next to him in that room for nine of his 11 years," said Batch, now a media analyst in Pittsburgh. "I know what he's done, and it's a lot. And I'm not even including the little things he would get for the [quarterbacks] room: snacks, drinks, things to fill the refrigerator in there, or buying comfortable chairs for the room."

Some of his most precious gifts haven't cost a dime, though. When Antonio Brown decided to stay away from voluntary workouts this offseason, his quarterback called. Roethlisberger told him to make sure he showed up for OTAs, because he didn't want to see the media and fans turn on the receiver.


"He has made me a better person by talking about life things, family things," Brown said. "He has told me about mistakes he has made and encouraged me not to make the same mistakes. He talks about making sure we are doing the right thing for our families and being the best man we can be."

Roethlisberger also has provided counsel for Bell since he was charged with possession of marijuana and DUI last August. Bell, who was in middle school when Roethlisberger won his first Super Bowl, clearly looks up to his quarterback.

"He has told me I can't ever be in that situation again," Bell said. "He has had situations where he has gotten in trouble. He got some grief for it. I'm getting that same type of thing now. He told me just to ignore it all and let my play speak for itself. He said eventually people will forget it as long as you become a better person and player. They will remember the good things.

"He's always telling me right from wrong. He has said if I ever need help or have a problem, I should let him know."


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2505720-how-ben-roethlisberger-grew-up-and-became-one-of-the-nfls-great-teammates

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Post by swissvale72 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:35 am

Kodiak wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:Call it what you will, Cor-Ten. I see a big dif between bitching about the outcome of a game, one minute in, and not being particularly hopeful for the upcoming season when we've lost huge fuckin' playmakers, gotten fucked over in the process, and still has the same dumbuck duo of coach & owner.


It is a big difference, but completely opposite what you're saying.

You're writing off an entire season a few days into FA, and before the draft. That's uber mega bedwetting compared to people bitching a few minutes into the game about a clearly flat and unprepared team. That latter aren't necessarily writing off a game, much less an entire season.

However, I do agree this team is going nowhere with Tomlin. That's a common thread between bedwetters....although I'm not sure it should be called bedwetting if it's true.


So, if your belief is that the team's going nowhere under Tomlin, and it's my belief that this team's going nowhere under Tomlin, I guess we're both bedwetters, eh? Only difference is that maybe I believe that this team's going nowhere faster under Tomlin, minus playmakers of the ilk of Antonio Brown.

And you don't think the gameday bedtwetters are writing off the game a few minutes in, or sometimes pre-game?? Have you looked at those threads?

It's like this, Kodiak. Opening day 2019, I'll be rooting like hell for the Pittsburgh Steelers, believing they'll win that week. And it will be the same thing in Week 2, Week 3, Week 4....and beyond. Deep down though, like you, I'll know this team's not winning a championship with that fuckin' idiot on the sidelines.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:36 am

I can't believe a Steelers fan--who has seen 50 years plus of this franchise, and seen 25 years of this franchise in free agency-- would think they're going to have even a losing season, let alone be in actual trouble of worse than that.

They have a top 5 QB in the NFL.
They have the best OL in the NFL.
They have a pro bowl RB and a 2nd year RB who will probably take a big step forward.
They have JuJu and a couple of nice complementary players at WR.
They upgraded CB and will likely upgrade ILB and dime backer/safety in the draft--from a defense that led the NFL in sacks and pressures.
Last year just about every bad break and turn of luck went against them--reversion to the mean alone is probably worth a game and a half from last year's record.

And I'd like to point out that the Steelers rather convincingly beat the Super Bowl champs last year, even with all the problems they had.

Regardless of what you think of coaching and the ceiling of this Head Coach, he hasn't managed to be worse than 8-8, even with (at various times) shitty defense, shitty offense, or shitty special teams-- not even when his HOF QB missed 4 games in a season!

I say this team will look a whole lot better after the draft, will be a lot more cohesive in camp, and will probably relish being a bit of an underdog/us against them story. They're a lock for at least 8 wins, 9 or 10 is probably realistic, and 11 isn't out of the question. At all.
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Post by swissvale72 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:43 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:I can't believe a Steelers fan--who has seen 50 years plus of this franchise, and seen 25 years of this franchise in free agency-- would think they're going to have even a losing season, let alone be in actual trouble of worse than that.

They have a top 5 QB in the NFL.
They have the best OL in the NFL.
They have a pro bowl RB and a 2nd year RB who will probably take a big step forward.
They have JuJu and a couple of nice complementary players at WR.
They upgraded CB and will likely upgrade ILB and dime backer/safety in the draft--from a defense that led the NFL in sacks and pressures.
Last year just about every bad break and turn of luck went against them--reversion to the mean alone is probably worth a game and a half from last year's record.

And I'd like to point out that the Steelers rather convincingly beat the Super Bowl champs last year, even with all the problems they had.

Regardless of what you think of coaching and the ceiling of this Head Coach, he hasn't managed to be worse than 8-8, even with (at various times) shitty defense, shitty offense, or shitty special teams-- not even when his HOF QB missed 4 games in a season!

I say this team will look a whole lot better after the draft, will be a lot more cohesive in camp, and will probably relish being a bit of an underdog/us against them story. They're a lock for at least 8 wins, 9 or 10 is probably realistic, and 11 isn't out of the question. At all.


I never said that the Steelers would have a losing season, B2B...but BFD!!! No, what I'm predicting is that they'll fall short...once again...The Douchebag Art II will be more than satisfied, Mike Tomlin will be on the sidelines in 2020 and we're destined to continue to root for a team whose ownership is satisfied with mediocrity plus.

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Post by Legacy User » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:47 am

swissvale72 wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:...won't be so funny if it doesn't.
I never imagined you to be a bed wetter. You are always the voice of patience during game threads.


Call it what you will, Cor-Ten. I see a big dif between bitching about the outcome of a game, one minute in, and not being particularly hopeful for the upcoming season when we've lost huge fuckin' playmakers, gotten fucked over in the process, and still has the same dumbuck duo of coach & owner.

Twice we have won super bowls with this owner (depending on how involved Dan was at the time). (And does the owner really matter once the season starts?)
Once we have won a super bowl with this HC.
We have all offseason to acquire talent.
This team could fail to make the playoffs again. They could challenge to win the super bowl. I see no reason to spend all offseason bemoaning the impending failed season when we don't have any idea what this season will look like.

Well, you can spend all offseason bemoaning the coming season if you want. I'm going to wait and see what actually happens.

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