What does TJ actually do?

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s

Sure fire 1st ballot HOFer Geno and the Hawks finished 7-10 that year ……dead last in their division

But hey……non conference game week 6

Huge game I’m sure

Lolololz

Low Watt disappears in big games when it matters

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

1st week of the season 2nd qrt

Low Watt and the boys proceed to lose the next 4 games in a row….and 6 outta the next 7

Steelers don’t make the playoffs

Try again lol

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD, we haven't played a game in 3-4 years, where TJ wasn't the MOST dominate player on the field. By far, end of story.

If his stats & play wasn't up to snuff, it was because he was double/triple teamed/chipped (concentrated on) and the rest of the D-line didn't take advantage of it. But that still makes him the most dominate player on the field.

I'll preface this with saying that I don't agree with STD about TJ Watt. TJ Watt is the best and most important player on the Steelers, he is a defensive force to be reckoned with who regularly makes huge plays that result in wins. If he stays healthy this season, he will likely drag a dead offense to a playoff game. He's on track to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, and he's far and away my favorite player on this team.

But... if I have to nitpick, I'd point out that TJ Watt was awfully quiet in the 2020 Wildcard game against the Browns. 3 tackles, only 1 for loss, and no sacks. That loss was mostly on the offense, but it sure would have been nice if TJ would have had a strip sack when the game started to get close. The Browns had an injured line and a head coach calling in plays from his basement. yet Baker and co. somehow could move the ball at will for most of the game. TJ didn't do much of anything that game, neither did Cam Heyward or Stephon Tuitt. I'm still not sure why.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Watt correlates with winning more than YPA. It's really pretty amazing for a defensive player.

Lolololz

Not the point

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Game

Set

Match

Until further notice

Lolololz

[Texas Black & Gold]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Game

Set

Match

Until further notice

Lolololz

Still no answer to what a "big game" means.
So many examples of Watt making an impact yet you ignore the evidence.
Lolololz

[Professor Half Wit]

ἴδιος ὅλος......

[K_C_]

Strip sack of Rivers 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJflbHLgWM&t=93s
OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s
Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

What do I win?

Edit, wait nevermind, you're just going to say those weren't good teams and/or the game didn't matter.

Ben was credited with a game winning drive after TJ's Geno Smith strip sack.

I'm not kidding.

Mainly because Low Watt and the defense gave up several scores after that 2nd quarter nothing

How many points did Ben and the offense put up in the second half?



A whopping 2 field goals.

The great Geno Smith put up 20.

So shhhhhh...........

Watt won that game.

[Pabst]

He'll add another obscure qualifier to his statement like "But did he do it during a full moon?" or some other nonsense

Lolololz ……

You are pathetic lol

2nd qtr……then the Colts proceed to drive 90+ yards for a TD…..get the ball back and put up another 7

Thank you Ben Roethlisberger for pulling out yet another big win

For the record, your criteria was:
- Big game (Steelers had lost 3 straight and were in a 3 way battle for 1st place)
- Good team (Indy finished 11-5 and made the playoffs)
- Steelers win (final score 28-24)

[SteelerDayTrader]

He'll add another obscure qualifier to his statement like "But did he do it during a full moon?" or some other nonsense

Lolololz ……

You are pathetic lol

2nd qtr……then the Colts proceed to drive 90+ yards for a TD…..get the ball back and put up another 7

Thank you Ben Roethlisberger for pulling out yet another big win

For the record, your criteria was:
- Big game (Steelers had lost 3 straight and were in a 3 way battle for 1st place)
- Good team (Indy finished 11-5 and made the playoffs)
- Steelers win (final score 28-24)

Annnddd…..Watt didn’t make an impact play….his play was almost immediately negated

[Pabst]

Annnddd…..Watt didn’t make an impact play….his play was almost immediately negated

A strip sack leading to a first and goal inside the 10 is not an impact play.

Alrighty. Let's go with that.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Annnddd…..Watt didn’t make an impact play….his play was almost immediately negated

A strip sack leading to a first and goal inside the 10 is not an impact play.

Alrighty. Let's go with that.

Not when it’s negated immediately in the first half !!!! Lol

I know you WISH you could best me on this (or anything else) but you aren’t ready for the big leagues lol

[Professor Half Wit]

See, I just sidestep STDs sillines. My personal opinion: all plays matter bc every play affects the outcome. Hence, TJ is a high impact player. Just a belief.

[Pabst]

See, I just sidestep STDs sillines. My personal opinion: all plays matter bc every play affects the outcome. Hence, TJ is a high impact player. Just a belief.

For sure, but STD silliness is the entire point here

[Stillerz Bar]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

Blows up play in backfield vs Bengals then INT next play. Bengals, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6bhmqm8Yc

1st week of the season 2nd qrt

Low Watt and the boys proceed to lose the next 4 games in a row….and 6 outta the next 7

Steelers don’t make the playoffs

Try again lol

First game of the season against the defending AFC Champs makes it a big game at the time. When the game was being played, no one knew what would happen later in the season.

BTW "Low Watt and the boys proceed to lose the next 4 games in a row….and 6 outta the next 7" is an incorrect statement since Watt was injured and not playing, it was really just "the boys" without Low Watt

So when you say big play against a good team resulting in.a win, would you consider a team that won the preceding game by 21 and the next game by 24 and had no losses except that game against the Steelers, a "good" team? If so then TJs TD against the Browns would count.

As someone stated earlier, I'm sure you will find a reason to say your criteria wasn't met, but in truth, it was. You seem to discount games early in the season but they do matter and are important (also, that was not part of your criteria...neither was what ended up happening in games following the ones where TJ made big plays).

Guessing you either

A) Know the TJ is an elite player but use the Low Watt moniker to get people going and create active threads.

Or

B) Can't see the truth because you are so married to you position thst he is only "good."

For your sake, I hope it's A ...

[R_S]

What I find amazing is the thousands of reply 'poasts' STD has somehow managed to garner over his many ridiculous "low Watt" comments throughout the years.

It's akin to one person 'poasting' that the sky is completely green over and over again, and dozens upon dozens of others coming on here, time and time again, and arguing it's not.

Aren't we all, as a group, better than this?

Maybe not? After all, it is a message board, and even his dumb comment keeps it in motion -- even if it's in the wrong direction.

Bingo. He didn't like the pick from the start. BUT, he is now trolling for responses and laughing in his basement.

[SteelerDayTrader]

What I find amazing is the thousands of reply 'poasts' STD has somehow managed to garner over his many ridiculous "low Watt" comments throughout the years.

It's akin to one person 'poasting' that the sky is completely green over and over again, and dozens upon dozens of others coming on here, time and time again, and arguing it's not.

Aren't we all, as a group, better than this?

Maybe not? After all, it is a message board, and even his dumb comment keeps it in motion -- even if it's in the wrong direction.

Bingo. He didn't like the pick from the start. BUT, he is now trolling for responses and laughing in his basement.

It’s true I didn’t like the pick

However

It’s been several years now that I’ve said he’s a good player and I’m a fan

He does disappear at big moments. That’s undeniable. He is hasn’t shown any proclivity at all as far as being a guy you can count on to slam the door on contending teams in crunch time, or the ability to avoid crunch time altogether

Which…..if I remember correctly ?? ….is why I said we should’ve traded him and his massive contract….particularly so when many here were saying he would bring a truckload of premium picks

[stillthere]

But... if I have to nitpick, I'd point out that TJ Watt was awfully quiet in the 2020 Wildcard game against the Browns. 3 tackles, only 1 for loss, and no sacks. That loss was mostly on the offense, but it sure would have been nice if TJ would have had a strip sack when the game started to get close. The Browns had an injured line and a head coach calling in plays from his basement. yet Baker and co. somehow could move the ball at will for most of the game. TJ didn't do much of anything that game, neither did Cam Heyward or Stephon Tuitt. I'm still not sure why.

He was watching from home but he was not calling the plays, that alone may have been enough of a hindrance to the D to not be able to use study of tendencies to have an idea what Alex Van Pelt was going to call that day. The first quarter did the D no favors and set Cleveland up to do as they please as opposed to being in a close game for the first half. Snowball just got out of control before halftime. Pouncey launching that ball to the goalline was the the first part of a golf ball sized snowball that became the size of Gibraltar before most of us had even settled in to a couch or chair to watch the game.

[stillthere]

Forced Fumbles (Career)
Watt 25
J. Bosa 14
Garrett 14
N. Bosa 8
Parsons 7
Crosby 7

Fumble Recoveries (Career)
Watt 9
Garrett 4
Parsons 4
J. Bosa 3
N. Bosa 2
Crosby 2

Tackles for Loss (Career)
Watt 93
Garett 81
J. Bosa 79
Crosby 67
N. Bosa 58
Parsons 38

Every facet of the game, TJ Watt is dominating. He can rush the passer, play the run, force fumbles, recover fumbles, make interceptions, do it all.

I honestly think that if Watt was put at MLB, ILB he would be the best in the NFL at that too.

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

This is good stuff. But did you know that if you take away Willie Parker's long runs he sucks at having a high YPC?
That is what the whole LowWatt shtick reminds me of.

[stillthere]

All of these discussions that the talking heads in the media have every year ranking the best edge rushers, they are being ridiculous. TJ Watt is the best in the NFL because it is more than just getting sacks, it is about everything else that he DOES, that the rest of these edge rushers DON'T. They don't make INTs, they don't get their hands on pass attempts, they don't force as many fumbles, don't recover as many fumbles, don't have as many tackles for loss.

That is all I have to say about that.

My personal theory is that it's Pro Football Focus trying to justify it's own existence.

Go back to the 2021 season - PFF was the only outlet to rank Garrett ahead of Watt. Why? Because Garrett was #1 in their "Pass Rush Win Rate" metric. That's it...that was their entire justification.

PFF is a joke because it is just people observing and judging tape based on zero information about what was called if there was an audible and with zero idea if one player is making up for another player's mistake. PFF is the equivalent of some jag-off at a bar telling you what is wrong with a certain play or scheme just a clueless ass-hat throwing spaghetti against a wall to see what sticks and then using that as a traction point. Also the only reason most of us have even heard of PFF is because Collinsworth bought the company and NBC references it all the time.

[stillthere]

See, I just sidestep STDs sillines. My personal opinion: all plays matter bc every play affects the outcome. Hence, TJ is a high impact player. Just a belief.

I will add the concept that I have heard for most of my 50 years on the planet. All games in the NFL are important because there are only x number of them.

for a long time x was 16
prior to that it was 14
and now it is 17

The mantra gets repeated by everyone associated with football all the games are important.

[SteelerDayTrader]

See, I just sidestep STDs sillines. My personal opinion: all plays matter bc every play affects the outcome. Hence, TJ is a high impact player. Just a belief.

I will add the concept that I have heard for most of my 50 years on the planet. All games in the NFL are important because there are only x number of them.

for a long time x was 16
prior to that it was 14
and now it is 17

The mantra gets repeated by everyone associated with football all the games are important.

[stillthere]

So, no games are important according to that argument there. I guess that would make it difficult to show up in an important game since you say there are no important games in the NFL.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

The board would be a lot better if you just put STD on ignore, makes it far easier to cut through the crap.

See my signature.

[SteelerDayTrader]

So, no games are important according to that argument there. I guess that would make it difficult to show up in an important game since you say there are no important games in the NFL.

Lolololz

Now you’re just being obtuse

Mainly because you are incorrect on this

[SteelerDayTrader]

The board would be a lot better if you just put STD on ignore, makes it far easier to cut through the crap.

See my signature.

Oh noooooeeesssss……!!!!!

Some weasely pain the ass called Toddfuckinghaleynineiron has me on an ignore list ????!!!!????!!!!!!

Please no

NOT THAT !!!!!


Lolololz

[Professor Half Wit]

So, no games are important according to that argument there. I guess that would make it difficult to show up in an important game since you say there are no important games in the NFL.

Lolololz

Now you’re just being obtuse

Mainly because you are incorrect on this

I’m not, though.

All plays matter. None do not. Hence, Watt is a high impact player. I dismiss a priori your dumb standard, which you never bothered to justify in the first place.

[K_C_]

Lolololz


Just go ahead and name ONE TIME Low Watt has made an impact play against a good team in a big game that resulted in a win

Should be easy right ??

OT Strip sack of Geno Smith, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cjpCTGaPI&t=490s

Sure fire 1st ballot HOFer Geno and the Hawks finished 7-10 that year ……dead last in their division

But hey……non conference game week 6

Huge game I’m sure

Lolololz

Low Watt disappears in big games when it matters

Sure fire first ballot HOFer Geno Smith outplayed Big Ben in that game, son.

The Steelers offense not only did SHIT against the Seahawks in prime time, at home in the second half, they also went....wait for it....3 and out in OVERTIME.

We punted the ball to the Seahawks and on the first play of that Seahawks drive, TJ Watt ended the game.

The offense wasn't going to win that game. It was going to take a turnover to win it.....and the best pass rusher in Steelers history said; "enough of this shit."

[Professor Half Wit]

Friendly reminder:

When someone tells you no one has ever proved them wrong, that in no way entails that they have demonstrated that they are right.

Even though STD has been refuted with ample evidence, let him claim the contrary. What has he done to demonstrate Watt is not an elite player other than to assume without justification that his preferred standard for measuring such is the only plausible standard for such?

Answer: nothing.

Carry on

[Pabst]

PFF is a joke because it is just people observing and judging tape based on zero information about what was called if there was an audible and with zero idea if one player is making up for another player's mistake. PFF is the equivalent of some jag-off at a bar telling you what is wrong with a certain play or scheme just a clueless ass-hat throwing spaghetti against a wall to see what sticks and then using that as a traction point. Also the only reason most of us have even heard of PFF is because Collinsworth bought the company and NBC references it all the time.

Pat McAfee had a great rant about this a while back and said much of the same.

WRT Garrett - As a hypothetical, if he's consistently "winning" with the same speed move but the QB is able to step up and avoid him, then why does that "win" even matter?

This is also a case of valuing analytics over actual stats, but that may be a rant for another time.