The Eternity of QB Mediocrity and the Ensuing Substandard

[Steel City Fan]

Anybody that wasn't Ben was going to be hated by a certain crew here.

Weird to see a Steelers player actively rooted against, but that's fans for you.

Pickett might not be the guy but he's nowhere near the biggest problem in Steelerland.

Matt Canada is.

Even more so, Mike Tomlin is.

I won't go over the defenses issues now, but they have many.

On offense, the square peg/round hole approach to offensive philosophy won't allow any QB to excel.

The offensive line is playing brutally bad, but I'm beginning to wonder if that's because they simply don't buy in to what Matt Canada want to do.

Same thing with Kenny Pickett really. He doesn't trust his o-line and he doesn't trust the philosophy.

The Steelers run too many 7 or 8 yard plays. They run too often on 2nd down. The offense is stale. Boring to watch.

Imagine what these guys feel like lining up when you know the defense absolutely knows what's coming.

I'm not even really mad at the players. None of them on offense.

I feel bad for them.

Hey one trick…. Is it possible people don’t like Pickett because he’s sucked in college and has don’t nothing in the NFL? Just possibly possible? But hey, you’re the guy calling for Mason Rudolph over Ben so maybe QB evaluation just isn’t your thing.

I’ve seen you mention this before. But when I looked up Lil ken’s stats from college this is what I get:

12,303 passing yards (School Record)
81 passing Touchdowns
801 rushing yards
20 rushing touchdowns

“Pickett took advantage of his final year of eligibility and broke out as one of the nation’s top players. He recorded 4,319 yards and 42 touchdowns setting school records for single season yards and touchdowns as well as career yards and touchdowns. Pickett was named a first-team All-American and was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy finishing in 3rd place.”

Is this the same guy?

Finishing 3rd in the Heisman race. Not bad for a piece of shit.

[Steelperch]

I’ve seen you mention this before. But when I looked up Lil ken’s stats from college this is what I get:

12,303 passing yards (School Record)
81 passing Touchdowns
801 rushing yards
20 rushing touchdowns

“Pickett took advantage of his final year of eligibility and broke out as one of the nation’s top players. He recorded 4,319 yards and 42 touchdowns setting school records for single season yards and touchdowns as well as career yards and touchdowns. Pickett was named a first-team All-American and was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy finishing in 3rd place.”

Is this the same guy?

Finishing 3rd in the Heisman race. Not bad for a piece of shit.

So you never actually watched him play in college? 4 years of mediocrity against ACC defenses. Here are the stats.



Slightly more TDs than INTs
Bad completion % right around 60%
Awful YPA
Never once looked like a decent draft prospect in four years of starting
60% completions and 6.6 YPA is bad in the NFL. It’s awful at the college level.

Then he had one good season throwing to the top college WR Jordan Addison as a 23 year old 5th year starter. Feel free to compare his first four years college numbers to practically any other good current starting QB in the league. Pickett was far inferior, just like he is in the NFL.

[Steelperch]

Taking a look at collegiate state from recent draftees of our top AFC competition vs Kenny Pickett (who was drafted because he played in the same building as Mike Tomlin)

Trevor Lawrence


Tua


CJ Stroud


Justin Herbert


Patrick Mahomes


And Mr Irrelevant from Pickett’s draft class Brock Purdy


Compare those to Kenny Pickett


All of those guys are 2-1 or better in TD/INT rate, 64% or better in completion %, well over 8 yards per attempt.
Kenny was a barely over 1-1 TD to INT guy, barely 60% passer, and 6.6 Yards per attempt.
Guess what Kenny is in the NFL? Same guy he was for four years in college. 4 TD - 4 INT 60% completion rate. 6.6 YPA.

So this is the point you two can tell me Ben won’t fuck me, I’m only down on Pickett because he followed Ben, pretend I think Matt Canada is doing a good job, and say Mitch Trubisky will light it up with some laughing smiley faces after it and ignore all of these facts staring you in the face.

[Professor Half Wit]

Way to go Colbert.

Seriously! WTF!

[K_C_]

Taking a look at collegiate state from recent draftees of our top AFC competition vs Kenny Pickett (who was drafted because he played in the same building as Mike Tomlin)

Trevor Lawrence


Tua


CJ Stroud


Justin Herbert


Patrick Mahomes


And Mr Irrelevant from Pickett’s draft class Brock Purdy


Compare those to Kenny Pickett


All of those guys are 2-1 or better in TD/INT rate, 64% or better in completion %, well over 8 yards and attempt.
Kenny was a barely over 1-1 TD to INT guy, barely 60% passer, and 6.6 Yards per attempt.
Guess what Kenny is in the NFL? Same guy he was for four years in college. 4 TD - 4 INT 60% completion rate. 6.6 YPA.

So this is the point you two can tell me Ben won’t fuck me, I’m only down on Pickett because he followed Ben, pretend I think Matt Canada is doing a good job, and say Mitch Trubisky will light it up with some laughing smiley faces after it and ignore all of these facts staring you in the face.

I don’t know if Pickett will pan out or not. In this antiquated offense, I believe everyone except possibly Mahomes would fail miserably.

Purdy walked into the best situation any QB could have ever been put in. Mahomes has a brilliant offensive mind in his corner. Trevor Lawrence has Doug Pedersen. Tua looks good in what looks like a very innovative offense but still hasn’t started a playoff game and we’re in year 4. Herbert might be the most physically gifted QB outside of Mahomes and due to coaching and his own inconsistent play, Herbert may never reach the heights most predicted he would. The book on Stroud has just begun but there’s a reason many believed he should have been the first overall pick. I’m thinking the Panthers are already second guessing Bryce Young..

So you can compare any QB to Pickett all you want. None of them have been put quite as behind the 8-Ball as much as Kenny Pickett has. The fact that Matt Canada still has a job today is really all the proof anybody needs. Looking forward to seeing how the offense looks with Pickett on the shelf.

It’s Mitch’s time to shine.

[Steelperch]

Fine, we could just compare pro careers for current Steelers QBs

Mason Rudolph vs Kenny Pickett
Rudolph: 17 games - 16 TDs - 11 INT - 6.2 YPA - 80.9 QB Rating
Pickett: 16 games - 11 TDs - 12 INT - 6.3 YPA - 77.4 QB Rating

Throw in Trubisky under Matt Canada
Trubisky: 6 games 4 TD - 5 INT - 7.0 YPA - 81.1 QB Rating

Throw in a clearly washed Ben Roethlisberger in a wheel chair under Matt Canada
Ben: 16 games 22 TD - 10 INT - 6.2 YPA - 86.8 QB Rating

Rudolph is a 3rd stringer that nobody in the league wanted for the vet minimum in free agency. He’s got better numbers than our lord and savior Kenneth Pickett in the Steelers offense. Trubisky played under the same shitty Matt Canada offense, same shitty line, same skill players. The entire league acknowledges Trubisky is a bust. He’s got equal or better stats compared to Pickett in the same offense.
Ben in a wheelchair dramatically outperformed Pickett in this exact offense. What we’ve clearly established here is that Pickett had inferior college performance compared to every good young AFC QB, and has performed at the same level as Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph in the Steelers offense. That’s insurmountable evidence he isn’t a good NFL QB.

[K_C_]

Fine, we could just compare pro careers for current Steelers QBs

Mason Rudolph vs Kenny Pickett
Rudolph: 17 games - 16 TDs - 11 INT - 6.2 YPA - 80.9 QB Rating
Pickett: 16 games - 11 TDs - 12 INT - 6.3 YPA - 77.4 QB Rating

Throw in Trubisky under Matt Canada
Trubisky: 6 games 4 TD - 5 INT - 7.0 YPA - 81.1 QB Rating

Throw in a clearly washed Ben Roethlisberger in a wheel chair under Matt Canada
Ben: 16 games 22 TD - 10 INT - 6.2 YPA - 86.8 QB Rating

Rudolph is a 3rd stringer that nobody in the league wanted for the vet minimum in free agency. He’s got better numbers than our lord and savior Kenneth Pickett in the Steelers offense. Trubisky played under the same shitty Matt Canada offense, same shitty line, same skill players. The entire league acknowledges Trubisky is a bust. He’s got equal or better stats compared to Pickett in the same offense.
Ben in a wheelchair dramatically outperformed Pickett in this exact offense. What we’ve clearly established here is that Pickett had inferior college performance compared to every good young AFC QB, and has performed at the same level as Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph in the Steelers offense. That’s insurmountable evidence he isn’t a good NFL QB.

You being ready to pull the plug on Pickett means dick though.
Ben was finished and even with the epic numbers you posted for him in Matt Canada’s offense, if it weren’t for a Mason Rudolph tie with Detroit, Ben ends up with the exact same record as Mitch and Kenny.

Trubisky has been in the league a long time and is now a career back up. Same with Rudolph. For a reason.

Kenny’s story has yet to be written. Maybe it ends up like you believe it will. If Matt Canada keeps his job and major changes on offense aren’t made, I’d say your scenario is likely. That said, Pickett is going to get plenty of time to turn things around and for right now, that’s the correct approach.
As I’ve already stated numerous times, you put anybody in this current offensive system with Matt Canada designing and calling plays and with a terrible offensive line and nearly no running game and they’re going to fail. All of them except possibly the magician that is Patrick Mahomes.

Hell if Tua had Matt Canada as his offensive coordinator he’d either be paralyzed or dead by now.

[jebrick]

Remember that KP had 5 YEARS IN THE SAME SYSTEM to look good in his final season.

I am not knowledgeable in reading a defense and the progression but it seems to be a MAJOR issue with KP when people are breaking down his tape. Canada is doing no favors with the bland playbook that never changes.

Ben did not play under Canada's offense. Yes Canada was OC but only for running plays. He said he did not touch any of the passing plays while Ben was QB.

[Orangesteel]

I love when poasters openly admit they didn’t watch Ken at Pitt or were otherwise unfamiliar with his body of work.

There is a reason he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect. And no, you cannot continue to rely on the “well we got Pickens in the second so the package of Pickett/Pickens was well worth the value.”

It makes it sting a little less, I agree with AccidentalZen, but you can’t think like that forever. Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense.

Kenny can be easy to root for and totally suck at the same time folks, it’s not that complicated.

[K_C_]

I love when poasters openly admit they didn’t watch Ken at Pitt or were otherwise unfamiliar with his body of work.

There is a reason he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect. And no, you cannot continue to rely on the “well we got Pickens in the second so the package of Pickett/Pickens was well worth the value.”

It makes it sting a little less, I agree with AccidentalZen, but you can’t think like that forever. Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense.

Kenny can be easy to root for and totally suck at the same time folks, it’s not that complicated.

"Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense".

You see....here's where you make no sense. The offense is stupid for ALL the players, not just Pickens.

If you would have put Kenny's name in that same sentence of yours that I just quoted instead of George's, it would work the exact same.

All of the players are beginning to fall apart, basically. That's why hanging this all on Pickett is so stupid.

We definitely don't know if Pickett is the guy but with Matt Canada calling the shots on offense and an o-line that often looks like they've never played football at all, let alone together, this entire offense from top to bottom is fucked.

[the-other-burg]

I love when poasters openly admit they didn’t watch Ken at Pitt or were otherwise unfamiliar with his body of work.

There is a reason he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect. And no, you cannot continue to rely on the “well we got Pickens in the second so the package of Pickett/Pickens was well worth the value.”

It makes it sting a little less, I agree with AccidentalZen, but you can’t think like that forever. Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense.

Kenny can be easy to root for and totally suck at the same time folks, it’s not that complicated.

"Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense".

You see....here's where you make no sense. The offense is stupid for ALL the players, not just Pickens.

If you would have put Kenny's name in that same sentence of yours that I just quoted instead of George's, it would work the exact same.

All of the players are beginning to fall apart, basically. That's why hanging this all on Pickett is so stupid.

We definitely don't know if Pickett is the guy but with Matt Canada calling the shots on offense and an o-line that often looks like they've never played football at all, let alone together, this entire offense from top to bottom is fucked.

I still dont understand it. I've said it before, we havent seen a fair enough audition of Kenny to definitively know whether or not he can be the guy. Forget college stats, they mean nothing right now. The body of work of an NFL QB is judged by his performance in the NFL.

For every star college QB who was successful in the NFL, I can give you 10 that werent. And there are plenty of examples of guys who werent stars in college who became great QBs. So lets stop pretending that we know enough about Kenny because of watching him at Pitt. It is incomparable to the NFL.

Kenny may very well suck and never come back from sucking and thats that. I just wanted him to have a fucking chance to succeed so I could determine that.

It seems like so many people had judged him before he could show a legitimate body of work in the NFL

[jebrick]

https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/statu ... LeP8Aph7Og

A good breakdown on the disaster that is Canada.

Matt Canada became the Steelers’ play-caller in 2021.

Since 2021, NFL teams have averaged 22.4 points per game.

And since 2021, examine the Steelers win-loss split based on only one sole statistic:

Does the defense allow above-average points or below-average points?

If the defense holds their opponent to below-average points (22 or fewer), the Steelers are 19-3-1 (86%).

If the defense allows their opponent to score above-average points, (more than 22) the Steelers are 1-15 (6%).
That shift, from winning 86% to winning only 6%, is the largest in the NFL.

What does it mean?

It means this offense, for going on almost 40 games spanning 2.5 years under Canada’s watch, cannot compete with average.

For the Steelers to win games, it falls on the defense.

A good defensive performance almost always means a Steelers win.

A bad defensive performance almost always means a Steelers loss.
Steelers fans: ask yourself when was the last time the defense played poorly but the team won because the offense won the game?

You likely can’t remember one because there hasn’t been one.

In fact, looking at the team totals lined for each game, the Steelers are 1-10 (9%) when their opponent exceeds their team total.

Since Canada took over as coordinator, the Steelers are .539 and have won 20 of 38 games. That’s the 14th-best win rate.

But his offense ranks #28 in points scored, #26 in EPA, and #26 in yardage gained.

Canada doesn’t understand how to win games in the NFL.

He doesn’t understand strategy. He doesn’t realize how vital it is to jump out and seize leads, and how often aggressive offense early in games ultimately leads to victories.

[anpsteel]

Ryan Clark and Rex Ryan, both, not so subtly took a jab at Pickett.

"If the QB can't drive the ball down field, the opposing secondary is going to sit on every route, because they aren't afraid of him throwing over them."

[Jobu]

Ryan Clark and Rex Ryan, both, not so subtly took a jab at Pickett.

"If the QB can't drive the ball down field, the opposing secondary is going to sit on every route, because they aren't afraid of him throwing over them."

Ehh, they’re just haters!

[the-other-burg]

Well there's some pretty good college season numbers here:

Games: 13
Completions: 304
Attempts: 447
Percentage: 68.0
Yards 3,748
TDs. 30
INT 6

And those were for a Junior.

And he's starting for us next week.

[K_C_]

Ryan Clark and Rex Ryan, both, not so subtly took a jab at Pickett.

"If the QB can't drive the ball down field, the opposing secondary is going to sit on every route, because they aren't afraid of him throwing over them."

I don’t buy arm strength is the issue with Pickett. I’ve seen him make impressive throws downfield.

What’s becoming a major issue is Kenny not trusting his protection/pocket and either forcing throws or bailing too early.

Pickett can drive the ball downfield, but when teams know literally what plays are coming, Pickett is fucked in the head right now. Seeing ghosts or seeing actual pass rushers blowing up the interior or Broderick Jones’ man laughing as Broderick lunges and misses once again.

Pickett very well might not be the guy, but do you want to put a new QB in this offense? I’m going to guess you don’t.

[K_C_]

These are the final lines from ESPN's take on the Steelers being in trouble right now, with or without Pickett.

It really sums things up perfectly.

"It's unclear whether Pittsburgh will have its starting quarterback going forward, or whether it has the infrastructure to succeed with any quarterback at the helm".

[anpsteel]

Ryan Clark and Rex Ryan, both, not so subtly took a jab at Pickett.

"If the QB can't drive the ball down field, the opposing secondary is going to sit on every route, because they aren't afraid of him throwing over them."

I don’t buy arm strength is the issue with Pickett. I’ve seen him make impressive throws downfield.

What’s becoming a major issue is Kenny not trusting his protection/pocket and either forcing throws or bailing too early.

Pickett can drive the ball downfield, but when teams know literally what plays are coming, Pickett is fucked in the head right now. Seeing ghosts or seeing actual pass rushers blowing up the interior or Broderick Jones’ man laughing as Broderick lunges and misses once again.

Pickett very well might not be the guy, but do you want to put a new QB in this offense? I’m going to guess you don’t.

IF, Kenny Pickett were playing in San Fran's offense, or maybe the Dolphins...

maybe... and only maybe, would his lack of arm strength not be an issue. And then, only because they have enough playmakers, a very strong OLine and running game, and an OC who can call plays to best suit his QB

but he doesn't have a great arm. I'm not sure he has a "good" arm.

It looks like his "in the air" limit, is about 50 yards, and he has to wind up to drive intermediate passes.

All that being said, with the way this offense is called, 80% of all NFL QBs would struggle in it.

IF Kenny gets back out on the field, or when he gets back on the field, he needs to start audibling out of the stupid shit that's called.

Take ownership.

Downside, If it fails, oh fucking well, It's failing anyway. At least he can show he knows what the fuck to do.

Upside, maybe he shows that with some more creativity and understanding of what he sees on the field, they can move the ball a little bit.


Right now, I'm mostly thinking best case scenario -

5 wins or less. Top 10, maybe top 5 pick. Tomlin is canned (and all the staff) and the new administration takes one of the top QBs coming out.

Worst case, they stumblefuck their way to 9-8, middle pick, and Tomlin is still the HC; and the team is doomed for continued dumbfuckery

[K_C_]

Ryan Clark and Rex Ryan, both, not so subtly took a jab at Pickett.

"If the QB can't drive the ball down field, the opposing secondary is going to sit on every route, because they aren't afraid of him throwing over them."

I don’t buy arm strength is the issue with Pickett. I’ve seen him make impressive throws downfield.

What’s becoming a major issue is Kenny not trusting his protection/pocket and either forcing throws or bailing too early.

Pickett can drive the ball downfield, but when teams know literally what plays are coming, Pickett is fucked in the head right now. Seeing ghosts or seeing actual pass rushers blowing up the interior or Broderick Jones’ man laughing as Broderick lunges and misses once again.

Pickett very well might not be the guy, but do you want to put a new QB in this offense? I’m going to guess you don’t.

IF, Kenny Pickett were playing in San Fran's offense, or maybe the Dolphins...

maybe... and only maybe, would his lack of arm strength not be an issue. And then, only because they have enough playmakers, a very strong OLine and running game, and an OC who can call plays to best suit his QB

but he doesn't have a great arm. I'm not sure he has a "good" arm.

It looks like his "in the air" limit, is about 50 yards, and he has to wind up to drive intermediate passes.

All that being said, with the way this offense is called, 80% of all NFL QBs would struggle in it.

IF Kenny gets back out on the field, or when he gets back on the field, he needs to start audibling out of the stupid shit that's called.

Take ownership.

Downside, If it fails, oh fucking well, It's failing anyway. At least he can show he knows what the fuck to do.

Upside, maybe he shows that with some more creativity and understanding of what he sees on the field, they can move the ball a little bit.


Right now, I'm mostly thinking best case scenario -

5 wins or less. Top 10, maybe top 5 pick. Tomlin is canned (and all the staff) and the new administration takes one of the top QBs coming out.

Worst case, they stumblefuck their way to 9-8, middle pick, and Tomlin is still the HC; and the team is doomed for continued dumbfuckery

I stil cannot believe whenever anybody brings up Tomlin getting fired.

It's never going to happen. That best case scenario just isn't based in reality.

The best case scenario is that Canada is fired, a creative offensive mind is found and installed as OC and Kenny is given the chance to succeed with a quality play caller and play designer. Someone the players on offense can believe in.

The Steelers aren't going to take a QB unless they somehow have a brutally awful season and somehow end up with a top 5 pick. THEN you might see a QB chosen but how often have we had top 5 picks in the Tomlin era?

Exactly.

[anpsteel]

These are the final lines from ESPN's take on the Steelers being in trouble right now, with or without Pickett.

It really sums things up perfectly.

"It's unclear whether Pittsburgh will have its starting quarterback going forward, or whether it has the infrastructure to succeed with any quarterback at the helm".

That’s a perfectly accurate assessment.

[anpsteel]

I don’t buy arm strength is the issue with Pickett. I’ve seen him make impressive throws downfield.

What’s becoming a major issue is Kenny not trusting his protection/pocket and either forcing throws or bailing too early.

Pickett can drive the ball downfield, but when teams know literally what plays are coming, Pickett is fucked in the head right now. Seeing ghosts or seeing actual pass rushers blowing up the interior or Broderick Jones’ man laughing as Broderick lunges and misses once again.

Pickett very well might not be the guy, but do you want to put a new QB in this offense? I’m going to guess you don’t.

IF, Kenny Pickett were playing in San Fran's offense, or maybe the Dolphins...

maybe... and only maybe, would his lack of arm strength not be an issue. And then, only because they have enough playmakers, a very strong OLine and running game, and an OC who can call plays to best suit his QB

but he doesn't have a great arm. I'm not sure he has a "good" arm.

It looks like his "in the air" limit, is about 50 yards, and he has to wind up to drive intermediate passes.

All that being said, with the way this offense is called, 80% of all NFL QBs would struggle in it.

IF Kenny gets back out on the field, or when he gets back on the field, he needs to start audibling out of the stupid shit that's called.

Take ownership.

Downside, If it fails, oh fucking well, It's failing anyway. At least he can show he knows what the fuck to do.

Upside, maybe he shows that with some more creativity and understanding of what he sees on the field, they can move the ball a little bit.


Right now, I'm mostly thinking best case scenario -

5 wins or less. Top 10, maybe top 5 pick. Tomlin is canned (and all the staff) and the new administration takes one of the top QBs coming out.

Worst case, they stumblefuck their way to 9-8, middle pick, and Tomlin is still the HC; and the team is doomed for continued dumbfuckery

I stil cannot believe whenever anybody brings up Tomlin getting fired.

It's never going to happen. That best case scenario just isn't based in reality.

The best case scenario is that Canada is fired, a creative offensive mind is found and installed as OC and Kenny is given the chance to succeed with a quality play caller and play designer. Someone the players on offense can believe in.

The Steelers aren't going to take a QB unless they somehow have a brutally awful season and somehow end up with a top 5 pick. THEN you might see a QB chosen but how often have we had top 5 picks in the Tomlin era?

Exactly.

With the way this team is playing and both sides of the ball are being schemed, a top 5 pick isn’t at all out if the question

IF they fall to that level, I promise you the boo birds and empty seats will warm up Tomlins seat, a lot

This is the first time Tomlin wasn’t extended 2 years out.

I think ownership- this includes all the minority owners- would be pushing for a change

The fact that Art didn’t make that extension, is a pretty big indicator, imo


Maybe wishful thinking, but …

[955876]

They’ll fuck up that pick too…

[yygy]

I’m not as concerned about the current Pickett scenario as I was about the non-Pickett scenario. That’s the one where Art2 and Tomlin in their infinite wisdom decide to roll with the cheap vet, play small ball and win with D.

Wait. They did that anyway. Hard habits.

I’m totally convinced Trubisky (or someone like him) was a serious plan a for some of the decision makers.

Plus too early to give up on Kenny. I know he’s not in the hall of fame yet when every other second year qb IS.

Other thing we saw in painful display is how an offense can game plan for a rookie qb and whole offense to be consistently successful. We knew Tomlin would get out coached by Shanahan but the Texans?

Shouldn’t be surprised I guess. Steelers really are tier 2 at best. Canada looks scared. Tomlin looks lost. Art 2 is in hiding.

Can the Kahn man and Weidl tip the scales? Idk. Tomlin and Art2 are totally out of ideas

[Kodiak.]

Nah, it's a pariity-driven league and PIT will have a chance to win most weeks.

And while other teams would rather get a look at some younger players to find out what they have, Tomlin will doggedly pull out all the stops in pursuit of NHALS.


If and when they finally move on from Tomlin, safe bet almost everyone on the coaching staff is gone. And that's also going to mean more than a few players that don't fit with what the new coaches would want to do. Would be some interesting choices and potential trades.

On the plus side, despite the dumpster fire that Tomlin will leave behind, there aren't any huge contracts committed to guys that don't deserve them - you might come up with 4 guys (Trubisky, Larry O, Seumalo, and Cole Holcomb) and $10M in dead cap for 2025.

[955876]

We knew Tomlin would get out coached by Shanahan but the Texans?

By an OC with only 3 prior NFL games under his belt.

And with a QB with only 3 prior NFL games under his belt behind an oline made up of 3rd and 4th stringers.

And yet they toyed with us.

But we are told you can’t have success with new coordinators. Stability is more important.

[955876]

If and when they finally move on from Tomlin

Do you trust Dunce to choose the next coach?

I’m certainly do not.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he called Dave fucking Wannstedt.

[Steeldrama]

If and when they finally move on from Tomlin

Do you trust Dunce to choose the next coach?

Fuuuuck no I don't

Will NEVER happen but man I want Coach Prime and his kid Shedeur running the show.
At least those two hold people accountable and want to WIN.

Gawd knows what Tomlin wants.
More Flintstones time with his kid, Dino, I suppose.

[Kodiak.]

If and when they finally move on from Tomlin

Do you trust Dunce to choose the next coach?

Doesn't matter - team is destined to keep going backwards until we move on from Tomlin. And who knows, maybe Deuce will actually reach out and get quality advice from Khan, Weidl and other league contacts.

Gotta pull the trigger on Tomlin before he does something colossally dumb with cap or draft capital. Get rid of him before he can fuck up the roster for years backing the wrong horses.

[Orangesteel]

I love when poasters openly admit they didn’t watch Ken at Pitt or were otherwise unfamiliar with his body of work.

There is a reason he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect. And no, you cannot continue to rely on the “well we got Pickens in the second so the package of Pickett/Pickens was well worth the value.”

It makes it sting a little less, I agree with AccidentalZen, but you can’t think like that forever. Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense.

Kenny can be easy to root for and totally suck at the same time folks, it’s not that complicated.

"Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense".

You see....here's where you make no sense. The offense is stupid for ALL the players, not just Pickens.

If you would have put Kenny's name in that same sentence of yours that I just quoted instead of George's, it would work the exact same.

All of the players are beginning to fall apart, basically. That's why hanging this all on Pickett is so stupid.

We definitely don't know if Pickett is the guy but with Matt Canada calling the shots on offense and an o-line that often looks like they've never played football at all, let alone together, this entire offense from top to bottom is fucked.

KC telling people that they make no sense is really fucking rich. Like the guy that says he will root for whoever is under center for the Steelers except when that guy is Ben Roethlisberger because goddamn it he’s got an agenda to push. Pickett isn’t the guy, I don’t know why you keep saying “we definitely don’t know if Pickett is the guy” when it’s pretty obvious he isn’t the guy. Remember when this team was winning in spite of Matt Canada? Remember when they went to the playoffs and lost in Kansas City? That’s the guy drawing plays up in the dirt that did that. An actual QB, not some pencil armed wannabe that buckles under the slightest pressure.

But hey, let’s keep pretending that what we see from Kenny resembles something even remotely close to a legit NFL starter. I’m sure when he throws that football over Mount Washington next weekend Uncle Rico will be proud.

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I love when poasters openly admit they didn’t watch Ken at Pitt or were otherwise unfamiliar with his body of work.

There is a reason he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect. And no, you cannot continue to rely on the “well we got Pickens in the second so the package of Pickett/Pickens was well worth the value.”

It makes it sting a little less, I agree with AccidentalZen, but you can’t think like that forever. Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense.

Kenny can be easy to root for and totally suck at the same time folks, it’s not that complicated.

"Hell, Pickens is already starting to fracture out there as he sees his early years being wasted in this stupid offense".

You see....here's where you make no sense. The offense is stupid for ALL the players, not just Pickens.

If you would have put Kenny's name in that same sentence of yours that I just quoted instead of George's, it would work the exact same.

All of the players are beginning to fall apart, basically. That's why hanging this all on Pickett is so stupid.

We definitely don't know if Pickett is the guy but with Matt Canada calling the shots on offense and an o-line that often looks like they've never played football at all, let alone together, this entire offense from top to bottom is fucked.

KC telling people that they make no sense is really fucking rich. Like the guy that says he will root for whoever is under center for the Steelers except when that guy is Ben Roethlisberger because goddamn it he’s got an agenda to push. Pickett isn’t the guy, I don’t know why you keep saying “we definitely don’t know if Pickett is the guy” when it’s pretty obvious he isn’t the guy. Remember when this team was winning in spite of Matt Canada? Remember when they went to the playoffs and lost in Kansas City? That’s the guy drawing plays up in the dirt that did that. An actual QB, not some pencil armed wannabe that buckles under the slightest pressure.

But hey, let’s keep pretending that what we see from Kenny resembles something even remotely close to a legit NFL starter. I’m sure when he throws that football over Mount Washington next weekend Uncle Rico will be proud.

I stopped reading your idiocy when you said I stopped rooting for Ben and that you know Pickett isn’t the guy.