SB LIII Comments Thread

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Re: SB LIII Comments Thread

Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:00 pm

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I guess what I'm asking for those that know, how much does BB change his scheme during the year? Most teams, from what I've read and heard, install an offense in camp, and pretty much do the same things for the entire season with a few wrinkles. I think BB picks players that can change scheme on a dime. IOW, smart. The four game season for BB is like another season, as he said about the first half vs the second. He said there is so much time for SB halftimes that it's like playing a second game. One of the keys to his success is the ability to change scheme completely from week to week. Half to half. Meanwhile other coaches like tomlin and haley keep their cards close to the chest and play mostly vanilla until they absolutely have to. And then sometimes it's too late. And when they release the dogs, so to speak, they're left impotent for the playoffs.


This is exactly it.. but the flip side is you need players willing and capable to make those changes week to week. If you fall out line or do your own thing - he ships you out that day. Jamie Collins is a great example. They don't care what your talent level is if you don't do what you are asked to do on gameday.

Practices are intense and with purpose. They are important because in order to change the scheme on a dime and curtail it to an opponent, there has to be participation and focus.

I would venture to guess if you ask any layperson how teams prepare for each other, they all believe NFL coaches do things the way as described above... special preparation for the team they face... but in reality I bet it's more of a "do what we do" with maybe a wrinkle or two thrown in.

The rams were probably a really easy read for BB... and he had two weeks to do it. I don't think the Rams changed one thing coming in, and that's how you end up with 3 points.


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Post by jebrick » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:05 pm

COR-TEN wrote:I watched casually the first half. Didn't watch the second.

But I'll repeat something I said earlier. I find it interesting that everyone says you have to pressure brady from the inside, yet Suh and Donald couldn't get close enough to rattle brady. From what I saw, the secondary was keeping it close. They must have an exceptional O line.



You were not paying attention then. Donald was doubled and tripled the entire night. When he was not he was in Brady's face in 2 seconds. Brady made a ton of bad throws because of the pressure.

For some reason, they had Suh playing 5-tech DE. He got some pressure but not fast enough.

for all the comments that BB makes due with nothing is foolish for these last several SB. Gilmore is not nothing. He is the best press man CB in the league. Unless a team has multiple weapons, the Pats are able to shut them down.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:07 pm

There has to be an increasing number of Pats fans that are getting less joy out of winning the SB. At this point, how big of a deal is it?

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Post by JackLambert58 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:16 pm

Still Lit wrote:There has to be an increasing number of Pats fans that are getting less joy out of winning the SB. At this point, how big of a deal is it?


Trust me, I live in NE, and there aren't. Do you think Steelers fans would get less Joy from the team winning the Super Bowl often? I sure didn't back in the day.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:18 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Still Lit wrote:There has to be an increasing number of Pats fans that are getting less joy out of winning the SB. At this point, how big of a deal is it?


Trust me, I live in NE, and there aren't. Do you think Steelers fans would get less Joy from the team winning the Super Bowl often? I sure didn't back in the day.


Well, I'm getting less joy from it. :lol:

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Post by Stillerz Bar » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:55 pm

Still Lit wrote:There has to be an increasing number of Pats fans that are getting less joy out of winning the SB. At this point, how big of a deal is it?

I read that the stadium yesterday was similarly loud to what the Steelers had in Detroit. That means plenty of people were willing to pony up serious cash t get to ATL, stay there and attend the game. That said, initial reports after the two championship games were that prices were down from previous Super Bowls ....still expensive though. It probably has something to do with the Rams not having a natural fan base in LA but regardless, Pats fans showed up for this one.

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Post by COR-TEN » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:59 pm

jebrick wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:I watched casually the first half. Didn't watch the second.


You were not paying attention then.
Yeah, probably. When I was watching I saw brady have all kinds of time and couldn't find anybody open. But you'd think with two pro bowl players on the d line, they'd have some kind of impact.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:04 am

Jeemie wrote:Even if I had watched, I would have tuned out as soon as there was the penalty for “not letting the receiver establish himself as a runner”.

Just seeing that in the postgame articles made me sick and tired of this “game”.


Was a horrible call. Par for the course with how lame and bastardized this game has become.

Was nothing but a bang bang play.

Just another example of how the refs can influence flow and outcomes.

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Post by Minkah'n History » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:39 am

955876 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:Even if I had watched, I would have tuned out as soon as there was the penalty for “not letting the receiver establish himself as a runner”.

Just seeing that in the postgame articles made me sick and tired of this “game”.


Was a horrible call. Par for the course with how lame and bastardized this game has become.

Was nothing but a bang bang play.

Just another example of how the refs can influence flow and outcomes.


And another example was the nice Gurley run called back at 3-3, i'm guessing it was late in the 3rd. Even Romo said they had to let that one go.

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Post by 955876 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:17 am

Yep. That too was another big one.

That type of nonsense make the game hard to watch.

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Post by AirRescueFF » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 am

I blame Dee Ford. Period.
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He finally quit: 13JAN26

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Post by Obviously » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:21 am

AirRescueFF wrote:I blame Dee Ford. Period.


And the refs in NO.
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Post by swissvale72 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:14 am

955876 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:Even if I had watched, I would have tuned out as soon as there was the penalty for “not letting the receiver establish himself as a runner”.

Just seeing that in the postgame articles made me sick and tired of this “game”.


Was a horrible call. Par for the course with how lame and bastardized this game has become.

Was nothing but a bang bang play.

Just another example of how the refs can influence flow and outcomes.


It was absolute bullshit, and a bullshit explanation.

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Post by stinger8 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:26 pm

Jeemie wrote:Even if I had watched, I would have tuned out as soon as there was the penalty for “not letting the receiver establish himself as a runner”.

Just seeing that in the postgame articles made me sick and tired of this “game”.


That call was egregious. Totally unnecessary. Takes the momentum from 1 team and gives it to the other for no reason. Refs are supposed to be invisible, not after calls like that (the hold on the center was almost as bad and another momentum swinger).

I guarantee if there was no flag every person playing or watching is saying nice defensive play lets move on the the next play, no one is looking for a flag. Gross.

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Post by Donnie Brasco » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:16 pm

Normally Deaspin sucks at this kind of stuff, but here is a great analysis of what went down:

https://deadspin.com/how-the-patriots-d ... 1832326941

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Post by jewelsongs » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:34 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:Normally Deaspin sucks at this kind of stuff, but here is a great analysis of what went down:

https://deadspin.com/how-the-patriots-d ... 1832326941


That is a really good review of the cheats game plan. Great post.

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Post by jeemie » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:31 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:Normally Deaspin sucks at this kind of stuff, but here is a great analysis of what went down:

https://deadspin.com/how-the-patriots-d ... 1832326941


I saw a story on the Rams' tendencies before the game...why I didn't watch because I knew with two weeks to prepare, Belichick would easily counter such predictability.
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Post by Jobu » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:47 pm

Jeemie wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:Normally Deaspin sucks at this kind of stuff, but here is a great analysis of what went down:

https://deadspin.com/how-the-patriots-d ... 1832326941


I saw a story on the Rams' tendencies before the game...why I didn't watch because I knew with two weeks to prepare, Belichick would easily counter such predictability.

Probably didn’t even need the two weeks.

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Post by Orangesteel » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:03 pm

It is a good article, and all it does is piss me off because it reminds me of how dumb our coaching is.

7-2-1 and miss the playoffs is a JOKE.
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Post by Legacy User » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Orangesteel wrote:It is a good article, and all it does is piss me off because it reminds me of how dumb our coaching is.

7-2-1 and miss the playoffs is a JOKE.


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Post by COR-TEN » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:15 pm

Still Lit wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:It is a good article, and all it does is piss me off because it reminds me of how dumb our coaching is.

7-2-1 and miss the playoffs is a JOKE.


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Post by jeemie » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:44 pm

Speaking of that Raiders’ game and Tomlin’s coaching...

Remember the Christmas 2016 game won with AB’s stretch into the end zone?

I happened to be watching it...and we have Kyle Juszczyk to thank that we ever saw those heroics.

Because had he not struggled to get into the end zone in the TD that put the Ravens up 27-24, we might never have seen a final Steelers’ drive...because it was the EXACT same situation as the Raiders’ game. Steelers were clinging to a 24-20 lead and had two timeouts left and the Ravens were inside the ten...and Mike Tomlin was doing the EXACT same thing...letting the clock tick away instead of saving time for his offense should it be needed.

Had Juszczyk fallen down short of the goal line, Tomlin may very well have let the clock tick away as the Ravens scored the winning TD.
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Post by Legacy User » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:20 am

Jeemie wrote:Speaking of that Raiders’ game and Tomlin’s coaching...

Remember the Christmas 2016 game won with AB’s stretch into the end zone?

I happened to be watching it...and we have Kyle Juszczyk to thank that we ever saw those heroics.

Because had he not struggled to get into the end zone in the TD that put the Ravens up 27-24, we might never have seen a final Steelers’ drive...because it was the EXACT same situation as the Raiders’ game. Steelers were clinging to a 24-20 lead and had two timeouts left and the Ravens were inside the ten...and Mike Tomlin was doing the EXACT same thing...letting the clock tick away instead of saving time for his offense should it be needed.

Had Juszczyk fallen down short of the goal line, Tomlin may very well have let the clock tick away as the Ravens scored the winning TD.

He has done this over and over and over again. Surprisingly, he DID call TO's against the Saints late when they were about to score. I don't know if that means he's learned his lesson or not. I still say we need to build a monster defense so that Tomlin can count on his D to stop teams from scoring when they get to our 6 yard line.

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Post by Obviously » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:23 am

Poltargyst wrote:
Jeemie wrote:Speaking of that Raiders’ game and Tomlin’s coaching...

Remember the Christmas 2016 game won with AB’s stretch into the end zone?

I happened to be watching it...and we have Kyle Juszczyk to thank that we ever saw those heroics.

Because had he not struggled to get into the end zone in the TD that put the Ravens up 27-24, we might never have seen a final Steelers’ drive...because it was the EXACT same situation as the Raiders’ game. Steelers were clinging to a 24-20 lead and had two timeouts left and the Ravens were inside the ten...and Mike Tomlin was doing the EXACT same thing...letting the clock tick away instead of saving time for his offense should it be needed.

Had Juszczyk fallen down short of the goal line, Tomlin may very well have let the clock tick away as the Ravens scored the winning TD.

He has done this over and over and over again. Surprisingly, he DID call TO's against the Saints late when they were about to score. I don't know if that means he's learned his lesson or not. I still say we need to build a monster defense so that Tomlin can count on his D to stop teams from scoring when they get to our 6 yard line.


How about we fire Tomlin and then build that monster D?
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:29 am

Obviously wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Jeemie wrote:Speaking of that Raiders’ game and Tomlin’s coaching...

Remember the Christmas 2016 game won with AB’s stretch into the end zone?

I happened to be watching it...and we have Kyle Juszczyk to thank that we ever saw those heroics.

Because had he not struggled to get into the end zone in the TD that put the Ravens up 27-24, we might never have seen a final Steelers’ drive...because it was the EXACT same situation as the Raiders’ game. Steelers were clinging to a 24-20 lead and had two timeouts left and the Ravens were inside the ten...and Mike Tomlin was doing the EXACT same thing...letting the clock tick away instead of saving time for his offense should it be needed.

Had Juszczyk fallen down short of the goal line, Tomlin may very well have let the clock tick away as the Ravens scored the winning TD.

He has done this over and over and over again. Surprisingly, he DID call TO's against the Saints late when they were about to score. I don't know if that means he's learned his lesson or not. I still say we need to build a monster defense so that Tomlin can count on his D to stop teams from scoring when they get to our 6 yard line.


How about we fire Tomlin and then build that monster D?

Kevin and Art have not elected to fire Tomlin this year, so I'm working wtih what we have.

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