2023 - Completing the Rebuild

[Mick]

Anthony Richardson is going to sneak his way into R1 by the time it's said and done.

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

[Ice]

Anthony Richardson is going to sneak his way into R1 by the time it's said and done.

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

I could see it. Not sure there's a franchise in this draft by a long shot, but it'll be interesting.

[bradshaw2ben]

Anthony Richardson is going to sneak his way into R1 by the time it's said and done.

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

Avatar bet? I think Levis has a better chance of going 1st among QBs than he does being drafted after Richardson. It's possible that some teams really like a QB with more obvious running ability but I think Levis is thought of extremely highly around the league, for a variety of legit reasons (NFL-style offense under two different NFL OCs, perfect mechanics that don't have to be rebuilt being two of them). Teams will also believe in the potential of Richardson (high, high upside) but there's a lot more to work out.

I'd bet on whichever one of them goes to a team that doesn't have a brain-dead, scardey-cat offensive personality (like Pittsburgh).

[StillerDownSouth]

Anthony Richardson is going to sneak his way into R1 by the time it's said and done.

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

Avatar bet? I think Levis has a better chance of going 1st among QBs than he does being drafted after Richardson. It's possible that some teams really like a QB with more obvious running ability but I think Levis is thought of extremely highly around the league, for a variety of legit reasons (NFL-style offense under two different NFL OCs, perfect mechanics that don't have to be rebuilt being two of them). Teams will also believe in the potential of Richardson (high, high upside) but there's a lot more to work out.

I'd bet on whichever one of them goes to a team that doesn't have a brain-dead, scardey-cat offensive personality (like Pittsburgh).

Levis vs SEC last year
Florida - 13-24 202 yds 1 TD 1 int - 1 rush TD (W)
Ole Miss - 18-24 220 yds 2 TD (L)
Miss St - 17-23 230 yds 1 TD 1 int (W)
Tenn - 16-27 98 yds 0 TD 3 int (L)
Missouri - 13-19 170 yds 3 TD (W)
Vandy - 11-23 109 yds 0 TD 1 int (L)
Georgia - 20-31 206 yds 1 TD 0 int (L)

Seven games agains SEC opponents, Vandy and Missouri suck, as a fan who wagers and watches tons of SEC ball, Will Levis sucks ass. I realize he has the size and skills, supposedly, but he was ass awful last season. Yes he will probably be taken in the top 15 by some dumb organization, but they will end up sadly disappointed. There’s more to playing QB than being big and having a strong arm.

[Mick]

Anthony Richardson is going to sneak his way into R1 by the time it's said and done.

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

Avatar bet? I think Levis has a better chance of going 1st among QBs than he does being drafted after Richardson. It's possible that some teams really like a QB with more obvious running ability but I think Levis is thought of extremely highly around the league, for a variety of legit reasons (NFL-style offense under two different NFL OCs, perfect mechanics that don't have to be rebuilt being two of them). Teams will also believe in the potential of Richardson (high, high upside) but there's a lot more to work out.

I'd bet on whichever one of them goes to a team that doesn't have a brain-dead, scardey-cat offensive personality (like Pittsburgh).

Sure, i’ll take the bet. Not sure how any front office is going to justify taking a 24 year old train wreck high in the first.

[cop1211]

Richardson = bust.

[Jobu]

Richardson = bust.

Yep. Some perennial loser organization, Jets, Falcons, Texans, Panthers, etc., will draft the guy high. And that’s why they are perennial losers.

[bradshaw2ben]

Top 10 more like. Probably a lot of QB-needy team draft boards out there right now that have ‘wil levis’ crossed out in a top 10 slot and ‘anthony richardson’ post-it noted over it.

Avatar bet? I think Levis has a better chance of going 1st among QBs than he does being drafted after Richardson. It's possible that some teams really like a QB with more obvious running ability but I think Levis is thought of extremely highly around the league, for a variety of legit reasons (NFL-style offense under two different NFL OCs, perfect mechanics that don't have to be rebuilt being two of them). Teams will also believe in the potential of Richardson (high, high upside) but there's a lot more to work out.

I'd bet on whichever one of them goes to a team that doesn't have a brain-dead, scardey-cat offensive personality (like Pittsburgh).

Levis vs SEC last year
Florida - 13-24 202 yds 1 TD 1 int - 1 rush TD (W)
Ole Miss - 18-24 220 yds 2 TD (L)
Miss St - 17-23 230 yds 1 TD 1 int (W)
Tenn - 16-27 98 yds 0 TD 3 int (L)
Missouri - 13-19 170 yds 3 TD (W)
Vandy - 11-23 109 yds 0 TD 1 int (L)
Georgia - 20-31 206 yds 1 TD 0 int (L)

Seven games agains SEC opponents, Vandy and Missouri suck, as a fan who wagers and watches tons of SEC ball, Will Levis sucks ass. I realize he has the size and skills, supposedly, but he was ass awful last season. Yes he will probably be taken in the top 15 by some dumb organization, but they will end up sadly disappointed. There’s more to playing QB than being big and having a strong arm.

Are we just going to ignore the surrounding cast-- he lost his entire offensive line and their only quality receiver, their star RB that the whole offense is built around got suspended... and their mindset is 1940s conservative.

Look at it this way: Levis has Favre tools and is light years more advanced than Favre was coming out. Light years ahead.

When I look at last year, early in the season they took the shackles off and he played like a gunslinger. He made mistakes and certainly has a ton to learn but he was completely stifled in that offense the whole year until the bowl game vs Iowa where he was once again superb.

vs SEC in 2021
140/215 1404 13/8 67 carries for 251 5 TD

vs power 5 in 2021
171/261 1786 14/9 96 carries for 353 9TD

Once again: this is not about who was the best college QB. Bryce Young was great in college. Stroud, too. This is about who translates best to the NFL game and who has the most upside.

[DP39]

Richardson = bust.

Yep.

Richardson reminds me of a more raw, dumber Cam Newton. After a while, the league figured out Cam. It won't take them near as long to figure out Richardson, imo.

I hope some teams are dumb/desperate enough to take him and about 5 other QBs before our pick, err, Olympic sprint to the podium , at #17.

[DP39]

Avatar bet? I think Levis has a better chance of going 1st among QBs than he does being drafted after Richardson. It's possible that some teams really like a QB with more obvious running ability but I think Levis is thought of extremely highly around the league, for a variety of legit reasons (NFL-style offense under two different NFL OCs, perfect mechanics that don't have to be rebuilt being two of them). Teams will also believe in the potential of Richardson (high, high upside) but there's a lot more to work out.

I'd bet on whichever one of them goes to a team that doesn't have a brain-dead, scardey-cat offensive personality (like Pittsburgh).

Levis vs SEC last year
Florida - 13-24 202 yds 1 TD 1 int - 1 rush TD (W)
Ole Miss - 18-24 220 yds 2 TD (L)
Miss St - 17-23 230 yds 1 TD 1 int (W)
Tenn - 16-27 98 yds 0 TD 3 int (L)
Missouri - 13-19 170 yds 3 TD (W)
Vandy - 11-23 109 yds 0 TD 1 int (L)
Georgia - 20-31 206 yds 1 TD 0 int (L)

Seven games agains SEC opponents, Vandy and Missouri suck, as a fan who wagers and watches tons of SEC ball, Will Levis sucks ass. I realize he has the size and skills, supposedly, but he was ass awful last season. Yes he will probably be taken in the top 15 by some dumb organization, but they will end up sadly disappointed. There’s more to playing QB than being big and having a strong arm.

Are we just going to ignore the surrounding cast-- he lost his entire offensive line and their only quality receiver, their star RB that the whole offense is built around got suspended... and their mindset is 1940s conservative.

Look at it this way: Levis has Favre tools and is light years more advanced than Favre was coming out. Light years ahead.

When I look at last year, early in the season they took the shackles off and he played like a gunslinger. He made mistakes and certainly has a ton to learn but he was completely stifled in that offense the whole year until the bowl game vs Iowa where he was once again superb.

vs SEC in 2021
140/215 1404 13/8 67 carries for 251 5 TD

vs power 5 in 2021
171/261 1786 14/9 96 carries for 353 9TD

Once again: this is not about who was the best college QB. Bryce Young was great in college. Stroud, too. This is about who translates best to the NFL game and who has the most upside.

I agree. Sans a deep dive, I see Levis and Stroud as the top two QBs having the best chance to succeed at the next level.

[Steeldrama]

I’m a Richardson fan
Fantastic athletic talent

Kid made a big mistake entering the draft
Nowhere near a finished product

[bradshaw2ben]

I’m a Richardson fan
Fantastic athletic talent

Kid made a big mistake entering the draft
Nowhere near a finished product

I mean he's kinda where Josh Allen was coming out, but I don't know that that's a good benchmark for future NFL success.

[Pabst]

I mean he's kinda where Josh Allen was coming out, but I don't know that that's a good benchmark for future NFL success.

Where they differ is that Allen was never a top HS recruit nor did he play for a big time college program. The big wildcard with Allen is that he (quite literally) never received any high level coaching prior to the pros. Not the case with Richardson.

Josh Allen was the quintessential "out of nowhere" college QB.

[bradshaw2ben]

Yeah Favre was the same story.

Problem with the coaching is they were trying to win games with what the guy can do now, not necessarily develop him.