Go get Russell Wilson

[Ice]

And ffs, can we please not draft a flawed 23 year old rookie to "put pressure" on our flawed closer to 30 than 20 3rd year starter?

[Gonzo]

Somebody explain to me why taking a 1st round gamble on Penix would be a better idea than taking a mid round flier on Joe Milton or Spencer Rattler. All are flawed prospects with up and down college careers who can make some flashy plays. None are worth a 1st or 2nd in my eyes. Especially given the Steelers needs which are plentiful.

I will not try
Say no to penix and nix

[K_C_]

Somebody explain to me why taking a 1st round gamble on Penix would be a better idea than taking a mid round flier on Joe Milton or Spencer Rattler. All are flawed prospects with up and down college careers who can make some flashy plays. None are worth a 1st or 2nd in my eyes. Especially given the Steelers needs which are plentiful.

I'm trying to figure out how fucking Spencer Rattler (19 TD's and 8 INT's and just over 3,000 yards) and Joe Milton (20 TD's and 5 INT's for not even 3,000 yards) are like Michael Penix Jr. (36 TD's and 11 INT's and almost 4,000 yards on a team that played for the national championship) are alike in any way.

Weird shit.

[K_C_]

And ffs, can we please not draft a flawed 23 year old rookie to "put pressure" on our flawed closer to 30 than 20 3rd year starter?

I love how 23 suddenly became "old.". That shit is hilarious.

[Ice]

And ffs, can we please not draft a flawed 23 year old rookie to "put pressure" on our flawed closer to 30 than 20 3rd year starter?

I love how 23 suddenly became "old.". That shit is hilarious.

Ben had already won a Super Bowl by that age. Stroud (your comp, not mine) will be in his 3rd NFL season. So, it's old in terms of you're drafting 3 less years of career. It's also old in terms of he's a 23 year old young man in terms of his athletic maturity playing against boys at the NCAA level. Not an apples to apples comparison, and that advantage vanishes on day one in the league. It's also old in that in terms of his athletic ceiling, this is pretty much it, so you can't expect a ton of improvement. I get it, though, you're an IU guy, he's your boy. I'm a Pitt alum, I got suckered with Pickett. It's cool. It happens.

[K_C_]

And ffs, can we please not draft a flawed 23 year old rookie to "put pressure" on our flawed closer to 30 than 20 3rd year starter?

I love how 23 suddenly became "old.". That shit is hilarious.

Ben had already won a Super Bowl by that age. Stroud (your comp, not mine) will be in his 3rd NFL season. So, it's old in terms of you're drafting 3 less years of career. It's also old in terms of he's a 23 year old young man in terms of his athletic maturity playing against boys at the NCAA level. I get it, though, you're an IU guy, he's your boy. I'm a Pitt alum, I got suckered with Pickett. It's cool. It happens.

You may want to read back thru this thread. I hated Penix Jr. at IU. He was terrible. Weird how he leaves the horrific football program in Bloomington (IU literally should not have a football team) and the guy plays lights out the last 2 years. Absolutely lights out and takes Washington to places they haven’t reached in a long time.

No, Penix Jr. isn’t an IU guy. He was an imbecile to stay loyal to IU for 3 years. If Penix Jr. had gone to just about any other college program, I’m convinced he’d already be an NFL starter.

[Ice]

Suppose that's what makes horse racing.

[gojira5150]

I love how 23 suddenly became "old.". That shit is hilarious.

Ben had already won a Super Bowl by that age. Stroud (your comp, not mine) will be in his 3rd NFL season. So, it's old in terms of you're drafting 3 less years of career. It's also old in terms of he's a 23 year old young man in terms of his athletic maturity playing against boys at the NCAA level. I get it, though, you're an IU guy, he's your boy. I'm a Pitt alum, I got suckered with Pickett. It's cool. It happens.

You may want to read back thru this thread. I hated Penix Jr. at IU. He was terrible. Weird how he leaves the horrific football program in Bloomington (IU literally should not have a football team) and the guy plays lights out the last 2 years. Absolutely lights out and takes Washington to places they haven’t reached in a long time.

No, Penix Jr. isn’t an IU guy. He was an imbecile to stay loyal to IU for 3 years. If Penix Jr. had gone to just about any other college program, I’m convinced he’d already be an NFL starter.

Exactly. If they don't take a flyer on Penix IF he's there at 20, then which QB coming out next year is as good or better than Penix? Mind you the Stillers will be drafting 18-22 (as usual).

Rattler & Milton are not on the same level as Penix. He took UW to the Championship and torched Texas.

[Ice]

There will never, ever again be a QB prospect available to the Steelers of the same quality as Michael Penix. Never!

[SteelerDayTrader]

Somebody explain to me why taking a 1st round gamble on Penix would be a better idea than taking a mid round flier on Joe Milton or Spencer Rattler. All are flawed prospects with up and down college careers who can make some flashy plays. None are worth a 1st or 2nd in my eyes. Especially given the Steelers needs which are plentiful.

[Ice]

Penix and Penix alone took UW to the championship (game)! He alone beat Texas! The surrounding talent did nothing! The coach some school in Tuscaloosa hired to replace some guy named Saban almost instantly after his retirement did nothing! All Penix!

[K_C_]

There will never, ever again be a QB prospect available to the Steelers of the same quality as Michael Penix. Never!

Who’s your pick after the top 3 guys are off the board who you’d want and you expect to be successful?

Or do you want to put off QB until next season, when we’re picking between 18-21 again?

It’s easy to say all these QB’s will fail.

Who do you see being a realistic pick by the Steelers who will be some kind of huge success?

[Ice]

There will be starting caliber QBs available next year. Who's coming out, who's staying? Still fluid, but it's a little one-dimensional to think that with all of the needs the team has, pumping another first round pick into another overage QB prospect with many warts is a damned if you don't proposition. It's a big gamble that the depth of the roster cannot really support right now. This isn't the time.

If you're looking for someone to blame for that, it's probably Colbert for "not wanting to leave the QB cupboard bare" and locking us into Pickett.

If it makes you feel better, I don't much like the top three prospects, either. The whole class is a little (okay, starting to feel like a lot) overhyped at the position. They all have issues.

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

[Jobu]

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

Uh Oh…I must be in the wrong place…

[Ice]

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

Uh Oh…I must be in the wrong place…

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Also, if he fails to perform for three straight games, comes up short in the playoffs, or is generally disappointing, I'd rather it wasn't the Steelers' Penix they were talking about.

Good thing he didn't come in shorter than expected at the combine.

Hard to go from Big Ben to that.

[K_C_]

There will be starting caliber QBs available next year. Who's coming out, who's staying? Still fluid, but it's a little one-dimensional to think that with all of the needs the team has, pumping another first round pick into another overage QB prospect with many warts is a damned if you don't proposition. It's a big gamble that the depth of the roster cannot really support right now. This isn't the time.

If you're looking for someone to blame for that, it's probably Colbert for "not wanting to leave the QB cupboard bare" and locking us into Pickett.

If it makes you feel better, I don't much like the top three prospects, either. The whole class is a little (okay, starting to feel like a lot) overhyped at the position. They all have issues.

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

Well, B2B seems to believe next year will be some sort of great class for QB’s but from what I’ve read, not many agree. Most believe the quality of this class far outshines what will be available in April of 2025, but a lot of things can change.

It’s just time to realize that the Steelers under Tomlin haven’t had a year where the wheels have fallen off to the point they can luck into a Ben Roethlisberger type QB pick. The odds of that happening are real, real low.

All rookie QB prospects are flawed in some way and very few will end up upper tier NFL players. All of them can be picked apart until they suck.

It’ll be fun later to see which QB’s come out of this class and turn into big time NFL players and which ones completely bust.

[Ice]

Flip side of the Tomlin coin is, of course, if you want your QB to turn into a big time player, almost the last place you'd want him to come is here, at least until proven otherwise. This offense with a great QB is like a bicycle with a twin turbo v12 engine.

[Havoc]

There will be starting caliber QBs available next year. Who's coming out, who's staying? Still fluid, but it's a little one-dimensional to think that with all of the needs the team has, pumping another first round pick into another overage QB prospect with many warts is a damned if you don't proposition. It's a big gamble that the depth of the roster cannot really support right now. This isn't the time.

If you're looking for someone to blame for that, it's probably Colbert for "not wanting to leave the QB cupboard bare" and locking us into Pickett.

If it makes you feel better, I don't much like the top three prospects, either. The whole class is a little (okay, starting to feel like a lot) overhyped at the position. They all have issues.

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

The decision to draft Pickett was an organizational one.

Tomlin absolutely wanted Pickett.

I'd bet Khan was on board with it too.

All variables considered there is zero chance the steelers as an organization were not going to draft Pickett. It's how we currently roll.

[Ice]

Depressing, but true.

[Jobu]

There will be starting caliber QBs available next year. Who's coming out, who's staying? Still fluid, but it's a little one-dimensional to think that with all of the needs the team has, pumping another first round pick into another overage QB prospect with many warts is a damned if you don't proposition. It's a big gamble that the depth of the roster cannot really support right now. This isn't the time.

If you're looking for someone to blame for that, it's probably Colbert for "not wanting to leave the QB cupboard bare" and locking us into Pickett.

If it makes you feel better, I don't much like the top three prospects, either. The whole class is a little (okay, starting to feel like a lot) overhyped at the position. They all have issues.

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

The decision to draft Pickett was an organizational one.

Tomlin absolutely wanted Pickett.

I'd bet Khan was on board with it too.

All variables considered there is zero chance the steelers as an organization were not going to draft Pickett. It's how we currently roll.

I 100% believe that drafting Pickett was A2s call. Everyone else involved may have been on board, but he wasn’t passing on the golden boy across the hall… he likely mandated it. Again, I have no proof of this, but no one is going to convince me otherwise.
This is also why I don’t think 24 is Pickett’s make or break season. He’s going to get his entire rookie contract to prove if he can play. (Pretty sure he can’t.)
And let’s be honest…there will be no legit competition!

[Deebo]

There will be starting caliber QBs available next year. Who's coming out, who's staying? Still fluid, but it's a little one-dimensional to think that with all of the needs the team has, pumping another first round pick into another overage QB prospect with many warts is a damned if you don't proposition. It's a big gamble that the depth of the roster cannot really support right now. This isn't the time.

If you're looking for someone to blame for that, it's probably Colbert for "not wanting to leave the QB cupboard bare" and locking us into Pickett.

If it makes you feel better, I don't much like the top three prospects, either. The whole class is a little (okay, starting to feel like a lot) overhyped at the position. They all have issues.

Penix Watch for next season? Watch the auto-correct, though. This is a family establishment.

The decision to draft Pickett was an organizational one.

Tomlin absolutely wanted Pickett.

I'd bet Khan was on board with it too.

All variables considered there is zero chance the steelers as an organization were not going to draft Pickett. It's how we currently roll.

I 100% believe that drafting Pickett was A2s call. Everyone else involved may have been on board, but he wasn’t passing on the golden boy across the hall… he likely mandated it. Again, I have no proof of this, but no one is going to convince me otherwise.
This is also why I don’t think 24 is Pickett’s make or break season. He’s going to get his entire rookie contract to prove if he can play. (Pretty sure he can’t.)
And let’s be honest…there will be no legit competition!

I don't think KP's leash is as long as you think it is. He'll get about 5 games and if he struggles, you're gonna see his backup and we'll have a QB controversy bc the backup will suck too. I also feel like KP will get hurt again bc he'll spin right into a sack for the billionth time

If that happens, they'll decline KP's 5th year due to performance and durability concerns.

Feel free to throw this in my face if that doesn't come to fruition.

[Mick]

There will never, ever again be a QB prospect available to the Steelers of the same quality as Michael Penix. Never!

Who’s your pick after the top 3 guys are off the board who you’d want and you expect to be successful?

Or do you want to put off QB until next season, when we’re picking between 18-21 again?

It’s easy to say all these QB’s will fail.

Who do you see being a realistic pick by the Steelers who will be some kind of huge success?

i don’t hate mccarthy at #20, and i don’t hate Penix in round 2.

Rattler round 3, Pratt round 4. More options next year.

As far as “who will be some kind of huge success”, that prospect seems pretty dubious when you have an offense that made a 1st ballot HOF QB look awful.

[Pabst]

Rattler round 3

DEAR GOD NO

[Deebo]

There will never, ever again be a QB prospect available to the Steelers of the same quality as Michael Penix. Never!

Who’s your pick after the top 3 guys are off the board who you’d want and you expect to be successful?

Or do you want to put off QB until next season, when we’re picking between 18-21 again?

It’s easy to say all these QB’s will fail.

Who do you see being a realistic pick by the Steelers who will be some kind of huge success?

i don’t hate mccarthy at #20, and i don’t hate Penix in round 2.

Rattler round 3, Pratt round 4. More options next year.

As far as “who will be some kind of huge success”, that prospect seems pretty dubious when you have an offense that made a 1st ballot HOF QB look awful.

I'm by far a QB expert, but why is everyone jizzing over themselves over McCarthy? I just don't see any tremendous tools from a guy who was in a run heavy offense and amazing defense

[franco32]

People are jizzing over JJ because they secretly think he has untapped potential. They think he has a hidden upside that has been masked by having to hand off all the time. He also threw well in shorts.

It's a big gamble IMO. He's got a very very lean frame and I'm not sure he will hold up in the NFL.

[Ice]

I've been assuming they're really, really, REALLY squinting and attempting to see young Tom Brady. I haven't watched all of McCarthy's not very many starts at scUM, but I watched a lot of them, and like I said somewhere in one of these QB threads, I didn't come away from a single one of them thinking "yeah, that's an NFL starting QB."

[K_C_]

Rattler round 3

DEAR GOD NO

THIS.

Holy fuck, all Rattler ever did anywhere he went was completely fucking disappoint.

[Mick]

I'm by far a QB expert, but why is everyone jizzing over themselves over McCarthy? I just don't see any tremendous tools from a guy who was in a run heavy offense and amazing defense

short version, mccarthy:
Nfl arm
Good mobility
Slightly more efficient passing numbers than penix despite far worse receivers
Good accuracy
Still really young, 3 years younger than penix

Any elite QB prospect will be drafted before any non-QB; there’s never going to be a great prospect falling to 20. I don’t see mccarthy as an elite prospect, but just from his short profile in any normal year he’d be drafted in the top 10.

[bradshaw2ben]

Penix took UW to the Championship game when NO ONE had them going that far. UW isn't loaded like some of the College Football factories and yet he Lit up Texas with an NFL talented roster. No one picked UW to win that game and yet Penix torched them.

All 3 of his WRs, his two TEs, his starting RB, his LT, RT + at least 4 defenders are all playing in the NFL next year, so they weren't exactly the little sisters of the poor.

[jebrick]

Penix took UW to the Championship game when NO ONE had them going that far. UW isn't loaded like some of the College Football factories and yet he Lit up Texas with an NFL talented roster. No one picked UW to win that game and yet Penix torched them.

All 3 of his WRs, his two TEs, his starting RB, his LT, RT + at least 4 defenders are all playing in the NFL next year, so they weren't exactly the little sisters of the poor.

Were they loaded like Michigan? Nope but they have a ton of talent especially at OT and WR.

Penix being drafted late and sitting for a year to fix his mechanical issues would be the best for him. Penix as a rookie starter could be a disaster. For all of his problems, his floor is still higher than KP's ceiling at this point.