Did Lebeau not want to work with Tomlin?

[Legacy User]

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2015/1/12/7532239/steelers-defensive-coordinator-search-replacement-candidates-keith-butler

It doesnt say it in the article, but might be announced today?

[Kodiak]

I don't believe in handing anyone anything...they should earn it.

How exactly would Butler not have earned it and what could he do to "earn" it? You shouldn't need to interview him at this point. He's either the guy or not, and it sounds like they decided several years ago he was the guy.

I assume you meant to say you wouldn't limit your options.

If there were promises made, they would have to be very high on him because look at all the DC's that left under Cowher. No big deal, Cowher even said at that point he knew the defense as well as anyone. In 2012 I don't know why you'd be so determined to keep Butler to ensure continuity when Lebeau left - which is also, IMO, a pretty big leap to assume you'd have the players to keep running the scheme and that Tomlin would want to stick with the scheme.

In other words, how do you promise a guy a job that he might not be the best fit for in 3-4 years?

[Legacy User]

I dont have any problem with Butler getting the job, he knows the personnel, he knows the organization, and he was sought after by other teams, so its not like we're settling for a nobody.

I just hope his version of our defense isnt a carbon copy of DL's

[Legacy User]

I just linked a source- the source is Bill Priatko....Dick LeBeau's best friend.

Now- the Trib story- sourcing Priatko- simply states that the two sides mutally agreed to part ways- however there is a definite slant to that piece that LeBeau had said several times he would be a Steeler as long as the Steelers wanted him.

And whether or not you know it or believe it, long-time Steelerfury members are well aware that Swiss also has a relationship with Priatko.

And the other stuff that has been laid out here supports a "Steelers wanted LeBeau gone" story over a "LeBeau is pissed with the Steelers and so left" story.

You are wrong wrong wrong, Clem.

Where is the source, source, source?

Are you seriously stating that some third person account from some "friend of Lebeau" presented by an internet character is the standard for proof?

Oh.

Okay.

You should be thrilled. If to be believed the guy that OKed Jervis and Shazier is now going to be running the defense for the HC that brought mike Mitchell in...

Clem,
Grab a mop, jizz spill in aisle five .

[Legacy User]

Lots of people have said "I am resigning" when they have, in fact, been asked to leave.

Letter of resignation is almost always the call when it comes down to management and executives. Nothing uncommon about either resigning or be fired.

As some have suggested Tenn isn't that far from Cincitucky. He could end up with Whiz.

Then again $89 Cincinnati to Phoenix non-stop $89

I bet LeBeau can get the airfare paid for in his contract and give Bidwell the miles

[Kodiak]

As some have suggested Tenn isn't that far from Cincitucky. He could end up with Whiz.

Then again $89 Cincinnati to Phoenix non-stop $89

I bet LeBeau can get the airfare paid for in his contract and give Bidwell the miles

C'mon. Lebeau is 137 years old....it's either Florida or Arizona.

[Legacy User]

As some have suggested Tenn isn't that far from Cincitucky. He could end up with Whiz.

Then again $89 Cincinnati to Phoenix non-stop $89

I bet LeBeau can get the airfare paid for in his contract and give Bidwell the miles

C'mon. Lebeau is 137 years old....it's either Florida or Arizona.

maybe Tenn and a reunion with Whiz as well. Those are the 3 options though.

[swissvale72]

As some have suggested Tenn isn't that far from Cincitucky. He could end up with Whiz.

Then again $89 Cincinnati to Phoenix non-stop $89

I bet LeBeau can get the airfare paid for in his contract and give Bidwell the miles

C'mon. Lebeau is 137 years old....it's either Florida or Arizona.

maybe Tenn and a reunion with Whiz as well. Those are the 3 options though.

Here's another bit of speculation, and this is just me talking.....no one's suggested this at all.

I wouldn't be shocked if LeBeau ends up with the Bengals. It's right in his backyard and he has history with the organization. Didn't know who their D-Coordinator is, but it's Paul Guenther in his first year. He played in the same D-II conference that I did.....with Ursinus.....we beat 'em every fuckin' year, not that that means anything.

And.....he wouldn't need to come in at that level. He could sign on with them on some level, be right in his backyard.

[Legacy User]

Clem:

We just had Swiss' insider report that LeBeau most certainly DID NOT quit.

So you are completely, 100% wrong with your assessment of the situation.

No, you are a fool for taking some unsourced internet bullshit seriously. Especially when it contradicts the only sourced report from NFL.com.

Now I know you're a stupid A$$hole

Swiss is the ONE GUY on this board I would trust about sources and information

[Legacy User]

C'mon. Lebeau is 137 years old....it's either Florida or Arizona.

maybe Tenn and a reunion with Whiz as well. Those are the 3 options though.

Here's another bit of speculation, and this is just me talking.....no one's suggested this at all.

I wouldn't be shocked if LeBeau ends up with the Bengals. It's right in his backyard and he has history with the organization. Didn't know who their D-Coordinator is, but it's Paul Guenther in his first year. He played in the same D-II conference that I did.....with Ursinus.....we beat 'em every fuckin' year, not that that means anything.

And.....he wouldn't need to come in at that level. He could sign on with them on some level, be right in his backyard.

Well it sure sounds like AZ's DC is a front runner for a HC job. If so I wouldn't be surprised if that 3-4 defense isn't his if he wants it.

[Legacy User]

I think you're arguement here is incorrect 100%, you blowing up at me for stating that you trolled the thread because of the Swiss/CP relationship proves you're trolling. You're being totally a stronzo.

I'm not "trolling" anyone. There is nothing personal here. I just won't accept speculation and internet friends as facts.

Your posts are the very FUCKING DEFINITION of trolling

fuckin troll

[Legacy User]

dude, you're trolling. I think Swiss's relationship with Coach P speaks for itself. I would tend to believe the FWIW's comments and not your hyberbole refuting it. You're not going to get any closer answer than that unless you know DL yourself or Coach P.

No, "dude"...do you have a clue how fucking gullable you are believing this..."I have a friend /of in the organization" from an internet source? Even if Swiss knows this Priatko why would I trust Priatko? These are the same ways "Kordell is Gay" and "Cowher is fucking around" got started. Yinzers that "knew" people.

douche-
Troll

How long have you been posting here? 2-3 months maybe?

take a fucking hike, troll

[Legacy User]

Clem:

We just had Swiss' insider report that LeBeau most certainly DID NOT quit.

So you are completely, 100% wrong with your assessment of the situation.

No, you are a fool for taking some unsourced internet bullshit seriously. Especially when it contradicts the only sourced report from NFL.com.

This is some seriously dumb shit right here.

Thanks!

KC -- is this guy the biggest fucking douche/troll of them all???

He actually takes AS HIS GOSPEL, the news reports from NFL.com -- Goodell's Propaganda Network?

That's fucking rich! Isn't that the same "news network" that said Mrs. Ray Rice started that fight with Ray and punched him first

What a fucking DOUCHEBAG

[Legacy User]

Very valid Swiss, and I think hed have a relationship with Lewis as well. Make that 4 options. We await your next scoop from Coach Priatko.

[Legacy User]

Really, you know what is fucking hilarious?

You mooks actually think Butler will change anything. Just biding his time to take away the cushion and bring in Justin Houston...

Now I know who this douchebag/troll is --

This is the douchebag who was trolling every thread early this year, and then got banned (or quit) -- what was that douchebag's name who thought he knew everything about everything?

[Legacy User]

Very valid Swiss, and I think hed have a relationship with Lewis as well. Make that 4 options. We await your next scoop from Coach Priatko.

Yes, same here Swiss -- We ALL appreciate your input and your willingness to share

[Legacy User]

The OP is fun for speculating, but the more important question to me is whether this is for the best. Since RON hates Tomlin I would just concede for the sake of argument that Dick can't stand Tomlin and quit and then follow up with the more pressing question:

Was this for the best of the organization or not? I think so. Now is the time. Defense full of young bucks and the vet exodus is now likely complete. Time to bring in the future DC to complete the defensive overhaul. I believe this offseason with the vets done is the least disruptive time to change DC with Ben still on the roster. Rooneys and Tomlin did this with great distaste, IMO.

[Legacy User]

I don't know Swissvale.

I don't know Priatko.

I've never seen any offer of a DC job to Butler. He is a fucking idiot if he didn't take the promotion, but to me it's more unsourced bullshit.

If you don't have some sort of source it's just more internet bullshit to me.

Why do you believe Ian Rappaport has a source?

And Swiss has a source and has named him...and has written stories on him in the past.

And Priatko is LeBeau's best friend...as SOURCED here:

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/753 ... z3Ock5pBUI

Here's a quote from that source that mirrors exactly what Swiss said Priatko told him:

LeBeau had his annual end-of-the-season meeting with Tomlin on Saturday morning, said LeBeau's best friend, Bill Priatko, who spoke with LeBeau shortly afterward. That was when the sides decided to part ways after 13 seasons over two stints.

“Let me tell you, he was so upbeat that I thought he just won the Super Bowl,” Priatko said. “He told me, ‘You are taking it tougher than me.' ”

Priatko, who was roommates with LeBeau during the Cleveland Browns' 1959 preseason training camp, had lunch with his friend every Friday at the Steelers practice facility.

Now, if you would like to believe Swiss just stole from this article and made up his own relationship to Coach Priatko, you are welcome to do so. However, Swiss wrote an article about him that was posted here once- I can't find a link to it anymore- if Swiss has it, he can post it if he wishes.


But you are wrong wrong wrong.

I know I have no problem believing Swiss , I just couldn't understand a fucking word of what he said. Am I the only one ? All the he's are in the wrong place and assumptions are being made that we know half the story or something. I read it twice and can figure out who said what. Some of it was cleared up when you posted that other article because now I know Lebeau met with Tomlin and not Rooney and I know who was upset more than the other because that was not clear at all

[Legacy User]

And.....he wouldn't need to come in at that level. He could sign on with them on some level, be right in his backyard

I understand the backyard part, but I doubt DL would settle for less than a DC job

[strom detmer]

Thanks Jeems, all true, and if recency helps:
*I greeted Coach Priatko prior to last Saturday Night's Debacle against the Ravens at Heinz Field. I greeted him at the entrance to Section 514 directly after having a beer with Luca Brasi at the First Round Draft beer stand.
*I sat right next to Coach Priatko for the entire second half....in Section 514, Row E.
*I accompanied Coach Priatko and his daughter to the postgame waiting area for playerrs/coaches, adjacent to the Steelers locker room.
*I had a chance to talk for a bit with Coach LeBeau, his brother Bob, his sister-in-law Suzy, his son Brandon....and heard his comments to others asking him questions.
*Coach Priatko and his daughter were kind enough to drive me back to the HiMark Parking Garage at the corner of 5th & Penn post-game, saving me from making that walk at 1am.
*Lastly, I shared several emails with Coach Priatko last week, most recently around midnight on Saturday.

Sorry, I know this reads like a fuckin' affidavit, but again.....FWIW

Swiss its been weeks without LeVeon and I am finally accepting it. That was the single hardest injury my generation has had to endure. The moment the hit occurred I felt the storm clouds gather and I ordered a case of thunder train or was it night bird, whichever I forget, I forget the last two weeks too. Lets just say the morgue below Lothrop hall is still as empty as ever over Christmas break.

This all being regurgitated I am glad to have re-emerged from my alcohol flavored cocoon just in time to catch one of your stories. This one reads like an excellent spy novel as SOOC makes an excellent antagonist.

Butler will be announced today or tomorrow. LeBeau is going to Cincy or AZ. Bell will be back next year and Tomlin and Colbert will not sign a soon to be crack head as his back up. Super Bowl or bust next season, and it feels real. Its a great year to have a number one schedule too. If the Pats win Brady is done, Manning is done and Houston will be better than the Colts next season.

Thanks again Swiss! Fuck you Reggie Nelson.

[jewelsongs]

I would love to see Coach Lebeau end his career with Ohio State.

[86n96]

Thanks Jeems, all true, and if recency helps:
*I greeted Coach Priatko prior to last Saturday Night's Debacle against the Ravens at Heinz Field. I greeted him at the entrance to Section 514 directly after having a beer with Luca Brasi at the First Round Draft beer stand.
*I sat right next to Coach Priatko for the entire second half....in Section 514, Row E.
*I accompanied Coach Priatko and his daughter to the postgame waiting area for playerrs/coaches, adjacent to the Steelers locker room.
*I had a chance to talk for a bit with Coach LeBeau, his brother Bob, his sister-in-law Suzy, his son Brandon....and heard his comments to others asking him questions.
*Coach Priatko and his daughter were kind enough to drive me back to the HiMark Parking Garage at the corner of 5th & Penn post-game, saving me from making that walk at 1am.
*Lastly, I shared several emails with Coach Priatko last week, most recently around midnight on Saturday.

Sorry, I know this reads like a fuckin' affidavit, but again.....FWIW

patiently awaiting clem's response to this...unless he's banned, of course. he definitely earned it.

EDIT: there's some poorly placed sarcasm in this post.

[Legacy User]

!@#$%^&* you Reggie Nelson.

Exactly, in the immortal words of Al Capone, "I want him dead!, I want his family..dead!(I dont realy want him and his family dead, I just love that line from the untouchables)

[Legacy User]

Thanks Jeems, all true, and if recency helps:
*I greeted Coach Priatko prior to last Saturday Night's Debacle against the Ravens at Heinz Field. I greeted him at the entrance to Section 514 directly after having a beer with Luca Brasi at the First Round Draft beer stand.
*I sat right next to Coach Priatko for the entire second half....in Section 514, Row E.
*I accompanied Coach Priatko and his daughter to the postgame waiting area for playerrs/coaches, adjacent to the Steelers locker room.
*I had a chance to talk for a bit with Coach LeBeau, his brother Bob, his sister-in-law Suzy, his son Brandon....and heard his comments to others asking him questions.
*Coach Priatko and his daughter were kind enough to drive me back to the HiMark Parking Garage at the corner of 5th & Penn post-game, saving me from making that walk at 1am.
*Lastly, I shared several emails with Coach Priatko last week, most recently around midnight on Saturday.

Sorry, I know this reads like a fuckin' affidavit, but again.....FWIW

patiently awaiting clem's response to this...unless he's banned, of course. he definitely earned it.

It's on the internet! Swiss could be lying!

[jeemie]

I don't see where Clem earned a ban.

He was an ass, but I don't think he did anything bannable.

[Legacy User]

Don't think he should be banned either.

[Legacy User]

My own opinion on this is simple. Lebeau is a genius and knows more about football and defenses than probably anyone in the NFL right now coaching defenses on any level, and most certainly more than anyone on this site. With that said I understand the desire to find a fresh face since our defenses seem to have lost their dominating appearance of the past, but I don't think that has anything to do with Lebeau, but more about players. No matter what scheme you run on defense, the players executing the plan is crucial. I think this is true on defense way more than even on offense. Obviously execution is a key component on both sides of the ball, but the offense has the benefit of knowing the plan ahead of time. The defense has to recognize and adapt as the play evolves.

Put whoever you want as DC and it won't change a thing if your players are garbage. I don't see someone as experienced as Lebeau is, being forced out as a good thing. I think everyone is assuming that Lebeau is just a stubborn old man who refuses so accept his scheme isn't working any longer with an inability to see short comings of his players. Which I think is an absurd assumption.

[bradshaw2ben]

My own opinion on this is simple.

Must. Not. Type.

[bradshaw2ben]

My own opinion on this is simple. Lebeau is a genius and knows more about football and defenses than probably anyone in the NFL right now coaching defenses on any level, and most certainly more than anyone on this site. With that said I understand the desire to find a fresh face since our defenses seem to have lost their dominating appearance of the past, but I don't think that has anything to do with Lebeau, but more about players. No matter what scheme you run on defense, the players executing the plan is crucial. I think this is true on defense way more than even on offense. Obviously execution is a key component on both sides of the ball, but the offense has the benefit of knowing the plan ahead of time. The defense has to recognize and adapt as the play evolves.

Put whoever you want as DC and it won't change a thing if your players are garbage. I don't see someone as experienced as Lebeau is, being forced out as a good thing. I think everyone is assuming that Lebeau is just a stubborn old man who refuses so accept his scheme isn't working any longer with an inability to see short comings of his players. Which I think is an absurd assumption.

But actually I agree with the post

[strom detmer]

Don't think he should be banned either.

Please, this cant even be a possibility, the guy is an awesome part of this board.