Brady (Pats offense) vs Ben (Steelers offense)

[tango_mike]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

[Legacy User]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

While Ben and the Steelers offense do sometimes do this they certainly are not "constantly doing any of these things". In fact Bens been hardly touched the last few years as in near the bottom of the league for sacks taken.

[Nick79]

Ben gets too much criticism for "holding the ball" Thing is, if he'd make the logical throw away that every rational QB would throughout his career, he'd probably have 50 less pick, and maybe 100 less TDs.

[jeemie]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

IIRC, Ben was sacked and hit less often this year than in any of his prior seasons...this with by far dropping back more than he ever has before.

I don't know if there's advanced stats tracking to see what his average time is from snap to release...I suspect it's lower now than it has been in the past.

The big difference I see is Brady can latch on more quickly where to go with the ball than Ben. Part of that was Haley's scheme which relied a lot on winning one on one matchups. Ficthner's trying to change that...like to see more progress on this in year two.

But part of that is that while Ben has markedly improved over the years with his reads...he's still nowhere near Brady territory. Ben still seems to get baited more than I would like to see a 15-year vet get baited.

[Legacy User]

while Ben has markedly improved over the years with his reads...he's still nowhere near Brady territory. Ben still seems to get baited more than I would like to see a 15-year vet get baited.

This is what the conspiracy Ernie Adams set just doesn’t seem able to accept. Brady is a once in generation talent at pre and post snap processing. Brady has nowhere near Ben’s physical gifts. It’s his mental game that sets him so far apart. Couple that with a HC that is heads and shoulders above others and you have consistent dominance.

[Stosh-67]

NE, BB, Ernie Adams, the OC and Brady are in another league in scheming players open, creating mismatches and understanding of the best plays and personnel to use in converting third downs, moving the chains and scoring TD's.

I would argue if the PS roster was flipped with the NE roster that Ben would be wearing many more rings under BB and Brady would have been out of the league a few years ago, if not longer.

No team gets more with less than the NE Patriots.
No team gets less than more than the PS.

[R_S]

Dude, the Pats run a full back lead iso and screen passes and gash teams for 12-15 yards a chunk. Shit you'll see your local middle school team running on the regular. When James White has 15 motherfucking receptions, you bet your ass no one is touching Brady in the 0.9 seconds it takes for him to make the read and throw.

[Legacy User]

NE, BB, Ernie Adams, the OC and Brady are in another league in scheming players open, creating mismatches and understanding of the best plays and personnel to use in converting third downs, moving the chains and scoring TD's.

I would argue if the PS roster was flipped with the NE roster that Ben would be wearing many more rings under BB and Brady would have been out of the league a few years ago, if not longer.

No team gets more with less than the NE Patriots.
No team gets less than more than the PS.

100% this.

[jeemie]

Belichick and Ben would never get along.

[StillerInCT]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

Sorry, not to be a dick, but this hasn't been the case for the last 3ish years. If you were typing this prior to the Todd Haley era i would agree. But our team was heavily reliant on short, quick passes this year. Almost too reliant at times. Ben hardly takes time to extend plays anymore.

[Obviously]

Belichick and Ben would never get along.

And you know this how?

[jeemie]

Belichick and Ben would never get along.

And you know this how?

Just a strong feeling.

My gut, if you will.

[Legacy User]

Belichick and Ben would never get along.

And you know this how?

Just a strong feeling.

My gut, if you will.

Whatever mismatch a Belichick and Ben union might represent, it's nothing compared to how incompatible a team of Tomlin and Brady would be.

[Gonzo]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

Romo explained yesterday very well what the pats were doing and Brady's reads and the simplicity of it and how hard it is to defend with the pats particular personnel and attention to detail and doing your job

[Kodiak]

Brady was saying they didn't even think they'd need to audible or change the play against KC yesterday....that's how confident they were in their personnel and playcalling. Their offensive scheme is just that good. Of course, no one else is able to copy it. Has a TON more to do with Belicheat and Ernie than any one player.


Also, late in the year one of the broadcasters mentioned Ben led the league in [lowest] average time to get rid of the ball.

[COR-TEN]

Sorry, not to be a dick, . . .

Wha? What are you apologizing for? Aren't you constitutionally protected being a dick? I mean, by all means dick away. It's like being american and free, right? Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck!!!

[Steelperch]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

None of this is true since Arians left and Haley was hired. That continued under Fitchner. Ben got rid of the ball in less time that any other QBs in the league this year, and took relatively few sacks.

[Legacy User]

I believe the hiring of Haley was for the purpose of keeping Ben healthy.

[Jobu]

Belichick and Ben would never get along.

Well, if one is to believe reports and rumors, Belicheck and Brady aren’t exactly buddy buddy. Making it work between the lines is all that matters.

[bradshaw2ben]

I believe the hiring of Haley was for the purpose of keeping Ben healthy.

Too bad Ben took more hits in the first year under Haley than he did he previous year under Arians. Fewer sacks, more hits. Just as painful.

What really changed was stocking up on better OL and then hiring a great OL coach.

[Legacy User]

I believe the hiring of Haley was for the purpose of keeping Ben healthy.

Too bad Ben took more hits in the first year under Haley than he did he previous year under Arians. Fewer sacks, more hits. Just as painful.

What really changed was stocking up on better OL and then hiring a great OL coach.

How did Ben's hit numbers look later in Haley's tenure? Seems to me Arians's QB's in Arizona took a lot of punishment as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Arians's offense. He attacked downfield, and I like that, and it fits Ben's talents so well.

[RemoAZ]

NE, BB, Ernie Adams, the OC and Brady are in another league in scheming players open, creating mismatches and understanding of the best plays and personnel to use in converting third downs, moving the chains and scoring TD's.

I would argue if the PS roster was flipped with the NE roster that Ben would be wearing many more rings under BB and Brady would have been out of the league a few years ago, if not longer.

No team gets more with less than the NE Patriots.
No team gets less than more than the PS.

100% this.

No question

[RemoAZ]

I believe the hiring of Haley was for the purpose of keeping Ben healthy.

Too bad Ben took more hits in the first year under Haley than he did he previous year under Arians. Fewer sacks, more hits. Just as painful.

What really changed was stocking up on better OL and then hiring a great OL coach.

How did Ben's hit numbers look later in Haley's tenure? Seems to me Arians's QB's in Arizona took a lot of punishment as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Arians's offense. He attacked downfield, and I like that, and it fits Ben's talents so well.

His QBs were continually hurt in AZ. He would never change his offense no matter how bad the blocking was. That stubborn my way or the highway attitude is why I never liked Arians.

[Obviously]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

Brady has always been quicker than Ben. Also, Brady's targets seem to get open quicker as well. It's all about execution which the Pats have done so much better than the Steelers.

[jeemie]

Brady has always been quicker than Ben.

Is that what Gisele said?

[Legacy User]

Brady has always been quicker than Ben.

Is that what Gisele said?

Booooooooo.

[Scunge]

I can't understand those that weren't impressed with Fitchner's rookie season as an NFL offensive coordinator.

We were doing many things that I saw other top offenses doing, the difference is that this was just year one, with many young players and rookies just getting their feet wet, learning what it takes to play in the NFL.

NE's offense has a bunch of veteran players that have played together for years and years. Edelman, Gronk, James White, yeah, Brady has great communication with those 3 and they have played together for a long time.

Ben has that connection with Brown but he has only played 2 seasons now with JuJu and Vance McDonald, and only one season with James Conner and Jaylin Samuels and James Washington. Look at what Ben was able to do with everybody learning and so new to it all and just imagine what next season may be like??

I predicted last offseason that Ben would have 5,000 yards passing and 50 TDs, he did throw for 5,000 yards but had just 34 TDs. In year two, with everybody more comfortable and with Fitchner able to expand these young players roles Ben may just very well get those TD passes up to 50.

And I feel that way even if Brown is traded. I still feel like this team is limited and forces things too much to Brown when they should be trying to diversify the offense and use everybody. I felt Vance McDonald was not used enough. He had 50 catches but I think he can have 75-80 catches and really terrorize a defense similar to other Pro Bowl TEs. Samuels had a ridiculous 90% catch rate and could very well be our James White in this offense.

Really excited for next year on offense, of what Fitchner can do with these young players.

[Legacy User]

One huge difference I notice between Ben and the Steelers offense and Brady and the Pats is Brady is rarely pressured and sacked even less because the Pats get rid of the ball so quickly. Whereas, Ben is constantly holding the ball, running around, extending plays, and taking hits and sacks. Brady was not even touched in yesterday’s game. It seems that running effectively, quick passes, etc is quite effective.......obviously.

Another huge difference, we get holding calls, they dont. I cant remember the last time they have had a big play or td negated by a holding call. Its possible it has never happened in the Brady era. Seriously.

[Kodiak]

Another huge difference, we get holding calls, they dont. I cant remember the last time they have had a big play or td negated by a holding call. Its possible it has never happened in the Brady era. Seriously.

It's simply amazing how even when Brady or that offense struggles, somehow they'll be perfect on 2-3 drives and still score 20+ points. They do nothing nothing nothing....boom 80-yard TD drive.....nothing nothing nothing....boom 80-yard TD drive