The Downfall of the Killer B's

[SteelPowerful]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/285 ... st-big-ben


Very interesting.

Ben and Tomlin were poor leaders. No surprise there. And there is a reason you do not see Troy around.

[Legacy User]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852344-how-the-steelers-big-three-became-just-big-ben


Very interesting.

Ben and Tomlin were poor leaders. No surprise there. And there is a reason you do not see Troy around.

Im so tired of hearing about that radio show. Jesus christ. Its not like Ben wished murder on one of ABs 27 kids. That whole deal is so overblown. These millennials and their thin skin.

[K_C_]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852344-how-the-steelers-big-three-became-just-big-ben


Very interesting.

Ben and Tomlin were poor leaders. No surprise there. And there is a reason you do not see Troy around.

Im so tired of hearing about that radio show. Jesus christ. Its not like Ben wished murder on one of ABs 27 kids. That whole deal is so overblown. These millennials and their thin skin.

Bingo.

Ben did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Zip.

[chippedhamsandwich]

Steelers are a better football TEAM without Bell and Brown, they will prove that this year.

Not a TOMLIN fan at all, mainly based on his in-game coaching and how the team executes.

Stuff about Polamalu is the worst part of the article, not the way he should have been treated in the end

[Minkah'n History]

Mike Freeman is a garbage journalist. Complete racist and a phony.

[SteelPowerful]

Ben calling Brown out is not at the root of the problem.

Ben failing to be a responsible leader and Tomlin not holding him accountable was the problem.

It pre-dates Brown's nonsense by at least a couple of years.

Ben was given privileges that not even Brady has.

[RemoAZ]

Tomlin has shown how undisciplined a ship he runs on and off the field. That's certainly the driving force here but for Bell or Brown to think they are as important as the franchise QB is just stupid. That's the NFL. The QB position is 1000x's more important than a RB or WR. Look at the Patriots. Every position but Brady has turned over many times through all their SBs. If they are too self absorbed to see that, then that's on them.

The thing with Troy though is what sucks most. I could dislike Tomlin for just that even if he wasn't so bad in so many other areas.

Bottom line is more discipline from the HC could have made this a better, more prepared team throughout Tomlin's tenure. Let's hope he's learned something from all of this drama and is making changes starting this season. He certainly seems smart enough to do it if his ego and natural resistance to change don't get in the way.

[Steelersfan]

Mike Freeman is a garbage journalist. Complete racist and a phony.

I'm going to have to agree with Hinestuff on this one. A hack, phony and dependent on clickbait to get noticed! Who are you going to believe? All the old "respected" players from the past & present. Articles from more respected agencies like CBS sports. How about just looking at the guys present behavior.

This disputes everything Freeman spouted out, twisted to form an agenda for attention or assumes about Troy. I know which article I believe:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-saga-troy-polamalu-reportedly-among-steelers-who-had-issues-with-wr-back-in-2012/

[SteelPowerful]

Actually, the information in those two articles align rather well. I do not see it as a matter of believing one article the other. Everything Freeman wrote aligns what I already suspected about Tomlin and Ben. What Freeman wrote also aligns with previous articles I've already read.

I see Brown's behavior as being the product of not only a self-involved asshole, which he is, but as a product of the flawed unequal system that Tomlin implemented. So you think he is lying about a meeting Polamalu and the players wanted to have with Ben? Such specific information is easily verifiable.

Hinestuff's reaction seems like some ad hominem fallacy at its finest. You have to look at the information in the article and critique it on its own. Even Donald Trump is capable of telling the truth and implementing good policies once in a while despite his reputation.

Anyhow, I would like to know why one might think Freeman is a "racist." That word gets thrown around so much I think most people don't even know what it means any more.

[stillthere]

"racist." That word gets thrown around so much I think most people don't even know what it means any more.

I concur with this statement.

[Havoc]

More like the pretender B's

Never the #1 scoring offense in the league. Never the #2 scoring offense in the league.

Never finished higher than 5th in offense Pts/Dr. Never went on a Lombardi run.

The highest or offense ranked in scoring during those years was 2015 when Bell was injured and DWill started 10 games.... now that was an offense (the offense we ran with DWill at RB). Our offense that season finished the season #4 in scoring.

[Baltostiller]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852344-how-the-steelers-big-three-became-just-big-ben


Very interesting.

Ben and Tomlin were poor leaders. No surprise there. And there is a reason you do not see Troy around.

Im so tired of hearing about that radio show. Jesus christ. Its not like Ben wished murder on one of ABs 27 kids. That whole deal is so overblown. These millennials and their thin skin.

Bingo.

Ben did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Zip.

Absolutely this^^ The asshole who wrote that is a cunt who relies on "former players" to ding Ben. Fuck that lying douchebag (he was fired for lying on his resume earleir)

[Minkah'n History]

Ding Ding Ding

Every single quote is always, " a former player" or a "player who wanted to remain anonymous".

[zeke5123]

SteelPowerful is a known Ben hater. Anyone who looks at what AB is doing and blames Ben or even Tomlin are looking for a reason to blame Ben or Tomlin.

There are plenty of reasons to blame Tomlin and some reasons to blame Tomlin; Brown’s own behavior is Brown’s problem. He is a grown man for crying out loud.

[955876]

SteelPowerful is a known Ben hater. Anyone who looks at what AB is doing and blames Ben or even Tomlin are looking for a reason to blame Ben or Tomlin.

There are plenty of reasons to blame Tomlin and some reasons to blame Tomlin; Brown’s own behavior is Brown’s problem. He is a grown man for crying out loud.

Exactly.

Ben being a diva and not a good leader isn’t an excuse for another man to behave as Brown has.

I dont blame Ben for AB.

I do blame Ben for his own transgressions though that have had a negative on the team.

Sleeping on the dirt in the rain instead of the back of a Humvee because we were told we can’t only to see the Lieutenant emerge nice and dry in the morning from the back of a humvee can cause a lot of Marines to lose some respect for the platoon commander.

[Kodiak]

I do blame Ben for his own transgressions though that have had a negative on the team.

I just keep laughing how people are spinning this into Tomlin being some sort of savant psychopath whisperer.

Ben isn't a good leader and maybe doesn't really want to be one. Problem is, that's not how it works with QB in the NFL. A better HC would have MADE Ben a better leader, and would have demanded it.

Puts that James Harrison interview way back into much clearer perspective. He said he "liked" Tomlin, but he lit up when asked about Cowher. And what he said about Cowher was "he taught me how to be a professional"....


Tomlin is a fraud. This whole AB thing is not evidence of leadership, it's proof of its absence.

[COR-TEN]

. . . "racist." That word gets thrown around so much I think most people don't even know what it means any more.

Why do you think that is the case? The definition is not difficult.

[COR-TEN]

More like the pretender B's

Never the #1 scoring offense in the league. Never the #2 scoring offense in the league.

Never finished higher than 5th in offense Pts/Dr. Never went on a Lombardi run.

The highest or offense ranked in scoring during those years was 2015 when Bell was injured and DWill started 10 games.... now that was an offense (the offense we ran with DWill at RB). Our offense that season finished the season #4 in scoring.

I concur with this statement.

[stillthere]

. . . "racist." That word gets thrown around so much I think most people don't even know what it means any more.

Why do you think that is the case? The definition is not difficult.

Comprehension of the definition is not a strong suit of people today. That is all I will say.

[COR-TEN]

. . . "racist." That word gets thrown around so much I think most people don't even know what it means any more.

Why do you think that is the case? The definition is not difficult.

Comprehension of the definition is not a strong suit of people today. That is all I will say.

Comprehension and how it is framed in context are two different things.

[FortyThree]

These millennials and their thin skin.

[FortyThree]

Mike Freeman is a garbage journalist.

This is 100% true.

[FC]

I was interested in reading the article until I saw the author was Mike Freeman.

A little background on Freeman.

He was outed for making up sources in regards to John Daley
He was outed for sexual harassment and blatant racism
He lied about the facts of the Georgia and Vegas incidents with Ben...3 publications actually posted retractions
He blasted new Notre Dame hire George O'leary for padding his resume...Then it comes out Freeman lied about being a college grad

Freeman is a gifted writer I will say that...He also has an agenda

[SteelPowerful]

Thanks for the info FC but some questions remain unanswered.


How is he a racist?

So far, no one has answered that question. Accusing someone else of racism does not make one a racist just to let you all know.

Accusing someone else of racism may mean many things:

1) The other person is indeed a racist.

2) A person is trying to distract others from seeing their own real deficiencies.

3) The person making the accusation is playing the victim role to gain some advantage.

[bradshaw2ben]

Thanks for the info FC but some questions remain unanswered.


How is he a racist?

So far, no one has answered that question. Accusing someone else of racism does not make one a racist just to let you all know.

Accusing someone else of racism may mean many things:

1) The other person is indeed a racist.

2) A person is trying to distract others from seeing their own real deficiencies.

3) The person making the accusation is playing the victim role to gain some advantage.

Why are we talking about this on an otherwise awesome Steelers fan board? Let it go.

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as really with Brown and Bell gone. Everything can get back to normal there.

[AirRescueFF]

Reporter: “Ben, your thoughts on Antonio Brown joining these guys now?”

Roethlisberger: “Whatever.”