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Post by Stallworth16 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:32 pm

I’m assuming I’m not the only one who missed this game for whatever reason. And for those who did watch, a review. I’ll throw the Tampa game in there as well.

Steelers vs Chiefs, 9-minute highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVWHAj5eWE

Diontae Johnson, Chiefs game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31p1Pbqprk

Steelers vs Bucs, 12 minute highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kqL3PZ35bc

James Washington, Tampa game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShiNKUEtil8



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Post by K_C_ » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:10 pm

Johnson, Washington and JuJu are going to be fantastic together.

If Moncrief wakes the fuck up....holy shit. The old Eli Rogers made an appearance too, but he's far from guaranteed a spot.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Jaylen Samuels running routes too.

Very, very excited to see this offense develop.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:17 pm

Replay on NFL network .
Today. 1 PM.
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Post by Steelafan77 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:55 pm

I'm just gonna put my opinionated post game thoughts in this one instead of starting a new thread. Hope its cool. So, Off The Top of My Head....

Washington: Stud ready to prove himself in those must win tough situations. The ceiling for him is sky high. I believe washington starts the season as the #2 WR. And rightfully so. Moncrief is a solid #3 and either DJ/Rogers/Switz are your #4, #5 and #6 should they decide to keep 6. Washington has made his stock rise like a Space X rocket. Continues to dominate and will continue to grow and improve as he refines his craft. A great draft pick.

Dupree: Can I just say I was impressed without being targeted for 'overreaction' cause Dupree looked ready to get down last night. Even his demeanor was a little different last night. Like he came out to play for real. Not just go through the motions as a first round pick and expect to get paid. IMHO, Dupree has made strides as a pass rusher and while it took him a little longer to do it doesn't matter now. Better late than never. Watt looked as good as ever. Even with little actual playing time and practices.

I am in the crowd that has concerns regarding our #2 TE situation. I like Gentry but I fear he is not that solid yet. At least not at the NFL level. A guy that has the abilities but has to be coached up still in order to apply those abilities consistently. In other words Raw. Grimble scares the shit out of me. Way too inconsistent for a player that's been in the same system for several years. Iffy hands, iffy decision making process and can't seem to put it on display. Struggles to separate, not a great route running TE and so-so blocker. #2 TE is a great concern going into the season.

All the discussion about back up QB's has been a very hot topic as it should be. IMHO any of the 3 backups could come in, in a pinch and make some plays. Last night Rudolph separated himself IMO as the #2 QB for the Steelers. As has been argued almost to ad nauseam Dobbs is inconsistent but has his moments. The Oakland game last year is the best example on the NFL level. That said, we haven't seen Rudolph get an extended look against NFL level 'real' games either. To me I'm more comfortable with Rudolph than Dobbs. Hodges has been a very happy surprise. I never expected to have to be throwing him in any discussion regarding back up QB roster spots. Usually the #4 QB is camp fodder and likely dismissed after the preseason if not before the end of it. Hodges has made a name for himself and should get an extended look at higher competition these next couple games. I try to find a way to keep him. Practice Squad is the first option but I think Hodges is likely pilfered off the waiver wire well before getting pilfered off the PS. Tough decisions ahead for the Steelers. Especially at LB'er.

LB'er: This is the best young group I have seen in camp/preseason in well.., forever. This should be the toughest group to have to cherry pick as an organization. I think they are set up to IR Smith. He just hasn't been able to contribute and they obviously like him to the point that they've given him reps at FB. Gilbert III, Spillane and Skipper have made names for themselves. Out of those how many make the practice squad? Tough to say. Where is Matakevich in all this. He has emerged as a solid contributor on ST's but lacks the abilities to maintain his roster spot for defense. He has limitations athletically and as we saw last night can't cover even the #2's he faced. Steelers like their LB'ers to cover. Spillane, Gilbert III have established their abilities in spades. Does this make Matakevich disposable? Limited roster spots dictate yes IMHO. With Adeniyi injured and out of the game for minimal of 4-6 weeks that leaves one spot at OLB too. Who has defined their role as back up OLB. Sutton Smith has been injured and has not practiced nor played any preseason. This creates a job opportunity for a guy like Skipper. We'll see what unfolds.

Believe it or not I'm gonna give some love to ST's. They've looked moderately improved to me. Perhaps it's the talent available? Perhaps a combination of both talent and coaching? I can't say for sure but I will say I like the improvements made. They actually looked good these last couple games.

OLine is an embarrassment of Riches. I think Okorafor has regressed from where he was this point last season. I'd like to see him clean up his foot work and continue to mature in his craft. He certainly has the athletic ability to play in the NFL and play well. Not sure what has happened to him. Banner. Banner has locked up his roster spot IMHO. Banner has looked Hulk-ish (pun intended) and has continued to prove himself as NFL ready. Feiler is a stud and plays Guard as well as Tackle. Can't let him get away. The usual suspects will be good to go. Pouncey, Foster and DeCastro aren't going to miss a beat. So, Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro and Feiler are your starters. Okorafor back up RT, Banner back up LT, Finney back up center and surprise Fred Johnson back up guard.

DLine. Your usual starters in Heyward, Hargrave and Tuitt. Then you'll see Alualu followed by McCullers and Buggs. Perhaps they keep a guy or two on the practice squad. My guesses are Sheehy and Craig.

Corner: Was a sigh of relief watching Burns play the game of football last night. I think Burns may have come around. Possibly as result of losing his starting position and likely losing his football career in Pittsburgh. Whatever he's done to change from the artie Burnt label I like it and hope to see him continue to ascend as a strong capable #3 corner behind Haden and Nelson. What was surprising to me was Hilton's performance. Likely affected by all the recent events unfolding Drake's passing in addition to him not being extended. Whatever has him slipping I hope he gets back to form. With Sutton pushing him for roster spot Hilton doesn't have much separation in the ranking. Layne looked a lot better than his first NFL appearance a week ago. He seems a bit handsy but I think that's just who he is. Feisty, scrappy and hard nosed. I think Layne could be another one of those 3rd RND steals for the Steelers.

Return specialists are hard to find. I think Spence has shown an ability to play Return Man. He has an ability to escape/juke his way for yardage which is the most desirable trait a return man has. Now if he can refine himself as a WR he'd almost be a lock for this 2019 roster. Making a couple guys expendable or trade bait.

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Post by COR-TEN » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:18 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:Replay on NFL network .
Today. 1 PM.
Eastern time
Can I watch it on the roku app? Does one need to have NFL ticket to watch? Or just a cable package that includes the NFL network?
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COR-TEN wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:Replay on NFL network .
Today. 1 PM.
Eastern time
Can I watch it on the roku app? Does one need to have NFL ticket to watch? Or just a cable package that includes the NFL network?

I believe its just on regular Nfl Network with any cable service.

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Post by COR-TEN » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:05 pm

JaySteel72 wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:Replay on NFL network .
Today. 1 PM.
Eastern time
Can I watch it on the roku app? Does one need to have NFL ticket to watch? Or just a cable package that includes the NFL network?

I believe its just on regular Nfl Network with any cable service.
It only works with wifi at the billing address.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:02 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:Replay on NFL network .
Today. 1 PM.
Eastern time
Can I watch it on the roku app? Does one need to have NFL ticket to watch? Or just a cable package that includes the NFL network?

It will definitely work if you have GamePass.

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Post by zeke5123 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:35 pm

KC wrote:Johnson, Washington and JuJu are going to be fantastic together.

If Moncrief wakes the fuck up....holy shit. The old Eli Rogers made an appearance too, but he's far from guaranteed a spot.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Jaylen Samuels running routes too.

Very, very excited to see this offense develop.


Eli was awful and should be cut today. That “play” in the EZ turned a likely TD into an almost interception because Eli was lazy or stupid. Inexcusable. We all should root for him to be cut because he is garbage

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Steelafan77 wrote:I'm just gonna put my opinionated post game thoughts in this one instead of starting a new thread. Hope its cool. So, Off The Top of My Head....

Washington: Stud ready to prove himself in those must win tough situations. The ceiling for him is sky high. I believe washington starts the season as the #2 WR. And rightfully so. Moncrief is a solid #3 and either DJ/Rogers/Switz are your #4, #5 and #6 should they decide to keep 6. Washington has made his stock rise like a Space X rocket. Continues to dominate and will continue to grow and improve as he refines his craft. A great draft pick.

Dupree: Can I just say I was impressed without being targeted for 'overreaction' cause Dupree looked ready to get down last night. Even his demeanor was a little different last night. Like he came out to play for real. Not just go through the motions as a first round pick and expect to get paid. IMHO, Dupree has made strides as a pass rusher and while it took him a little longer to do it doesn't matter now. Better late than never. Watt looked as good as ever. Even with little actual playing time and practices.

I am in the crowd that has concerns regarding our #2 TE situation. I like Gentry but I fear he is not that solid yet. At least not at the NFL level. A guy that has the abilities but has to be coached up still in order to apply those abilities consistently. In other words Raw. Grimble scares the shit out of me. Way too inconsistent for a player that's been in the same system for several years. Iffy hands, iffy decision making process and can't seem to put it on display. Struggles to separate, not a great route running TE and so-so blocker. #2 TE is a great concern going into the season.

All the discussion about back up QB's has been a very hot topic as it should be. IMHO any of the 3 backups could come in, in a pinch and make some plays. Last night Rudolph separated himself IMO as the #2 QB for the Steelers. As has been argued almost to ad nauseam Dobbs is inconsistent but has his moments. The Oakland game last year is the best example on the NFL level. That said, we haven't seen Rudolph get an extended look against NFL level 'real' games either. To me I'm more comfortable with Rudolph than Dobbs. Hodges has been a very happy surprise. I never expected to have to be throwing him in any discussion regarding back up QB roster spots. Usually the #4 QB is camp fodder and likely dismissed after the preseason if not before the end of it. Hodges has made a name for himself and should get an extended look at higher competition these next couple games. I try to find a way to keep him. Practice Squad is the first option but I think Hodges is likely pilfered off the waiver wire well before getting pilfered off the PS. Tough decisions ahead for the Steelers. Especially at LB'er.

LB'er: This is the best young group I have seen in camp/preseason in well.., forever. This should be the toughest group to have to cherry pick as an organization. I think they are set up to IR Smith. He just hasn't been able to contribute and they obviously like him to the point that they've given him reps at FB. Gilbert III, Spillane and Skipper have made names for themselves. Out of those how many make the practice squad? Tough to say. Where is Matakevich in all this. He has emerged as a solid contributor on ST's but lacks the abilities to maintain his roster spot for defense. He has limitations athletically and as we saw last night can't cover even the #2's he faced. Steelers like their LB'ers to cover. Spillane, Gilbert III have established their abilities in spades. Does this make Matakevich disposable? Limited roster spots dictate yes IMHO. With Adeniyi injured and out of the game for minimal of 4-6 weeks that leaves one spot at OLB too. Who has defined their role as back up OLB. Sutton Smith has been injured and has not practiced nor played any preseason. This creates a job opportunity for a guy like Skipper. We'll see what unfolds.

Believe it or not I'm gonna give some love to ST's. They've looked moderately improved to me. Perhaps it's the talent available? Perhaps a combination of both talent and coaching? I can't say for sure but I will say I like the improvements made. They actually looked good these last couple games.

OLine is an embarrassment of Riches. I think Okorafor has regressed from where he was this point last season. I'd like to see him clean up his foot work and continue to mature in his craft. He certainly has the athletic ability to play in the NFL and play well. Not sure what has happened to him. Banner. Banner has locked up his roster spot IMHO. Banner has looked Hulk-ish (pun intended) and has continued to prove himself as NFL ready. Feiler is a stud and plays Guard as well as Tackle. Can't let him get away. The usual suspects will be good to go. Pouncey, Foster and DeCastro aren't going to miss a beat. So, Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro and Feiler are your starters. Okorafor back up RT, Banner back up LT, Finney back up center and surprise Fred Johnson back up guard.

DLine. Your usual starters in Heyward, Hargrave and Tuitt. Then you'll see Alualu followed by McCullers and Buggs. Perhaps they keep a guy or two on the practice squad. My guesses are Sheehy and Craig.

Corner: Was a sigh of relief watching Burns play the game of football last night. I think Burns may have come around. Possibly as result of losing his starting position and likely losing his football career in Pittsburgh. Whatever he's done to change from the artie Burnt label I like it and hope to see him continue to ascend as a strong capable #3 corner behind Haden and Nelson. What was surprising to me was Hilton's performance. Likely affected by all the recent events unfolding Drake's passing in addition to him not being extended. Whatever has him slipping I hope he gets back to form. With Sutton pushing him for roster spot Hilton doesn't have much separation in the ranking. Layne looked a lot better than his first NFL appearance a week ago. He seems a bit handsy but I think that's just who he is. Feisty, scrappy and hard nosed. I think Layne could be another one of those 3rd RND steals for the Steelers.

Return specialists are hard to find. I think Spence has shown an ability to play Return Man. He has an ability to escape/juke his way for yardage which is the most desirable trait a return man has. Now if he can refine himself as a WR he'd almost be a lock for this 2019 roster. Making a couple guys expendable or trade bait.

Excellent recap 77. Agree with most of this. Not sure what to think of the back up QB position. I just know one fact...…..if anything happens to Ben, its all over except the crying. I think Hodgie may be the best of the 3 honestly which continues to anger me about the Rudolph pick. Would have preferred they traded the Edmunds 1 and the Rudolph 3 for a higher 1 and take the best possible player (similar to what they did with Bush this year). Hope they continue to go for those type of deals while Ben is still with us.

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Post by Kodiak » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:42 pm

JuJu, Washington, Johnson and Moncrief are going to be the top-4 receivers.

Then I think Spencer should be the returner. That means neither Switzer nor Eli would be getting a hat. So I keep Switzer as my backup returner, and because he's less than 1/2 the cap hit of Eli. Thing is, I've never see Switzer get open more than 5 yards downfield.

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Post by Kodiak » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:44 pm

Suwanee88 wrote:... Not sure what to think of the back up QB position...


Hodges threw a couple of well-placed touch passes, too. I definitely think he has the best arm of the 3.
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Post by zeke5123 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:26 pm

Kodiak wrote:JuJu, Washington, Johnson and Moncrief are going to be the top-4 receivers.

Then I think Spencer should be the returner. That means neither Switzer nor Eli would be getting a hat. So I keep Switzer as my backup returner, and because he's less than 1/2 the cap hit of Eli. Thing is, I've never see Switzer get open more than 5 yards downfield.

The bottom of the roster battles are always interesting, but rarely consequential.


I think you are right on top four.

I don’t know why you keep repeating erroneous things re Switzer. Last night, you posted Switz can’t make the 20 yard reception on the skinny post that Eli completed. I posted video example of Switz doing that against Denver in the RS. You were silent. You now state the above?

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Post by Kodiak » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:53 pm

Zeke5123 wrote:I don’t know why you keep repeating erroneous things re Switzer. Last night, you posted Switz can’t make the 20 yard reception on the skinny post that Eli completed. I posted video example of Switz doing that against Denver in the RS. You were silent. You now state the above?


LMFAO. Career 7.0 yards per catch. That's less than a good number of running backs. And you still think the guy is an NFL receiver? He's a gimmick player - how in the world will they ever replace 7 yards per catch?!?

The numbers don't lie - Switzer has never produced as a receiver. Eli Rogers has similar numbers the last two years, and everyone agrees that 2017/18 Eli Rogers isn't an NFL receiver. So why do you think Eli is hot garbage, but Switzer should be on the team when his production has been no better?
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:01 am

Zeke5123 wrote:
KC wrote:Johnson, Washington and JuJu are going to be fantastic together.

If Moncrief wakes the fuck up....holy shit. The old Eli Rogers made an appearance too, but he's far from guaranteed a spot.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Jaylen Samuels running routes too.

Very, very excited to see this offense develop.


Eli was awful and should be cut today. That “play” in the EZ turned a likely TD into an almost interception because Eli was lazy or stupid. Inexcusable. We all should root for him to be cut because he is garbage


Nah, Rogers had a big catch later and re-watching the end zone play, Rogers probably should have fought back a little harder but I don't think he was going to make that catch regardless. There were like 4 Chiefs surrounding him on that play and the pass itself was beyond dangerous. MC Hammer Jr might catch that ball, but I doubt any of our other receivers make that play.

The guy who isn't even seeing the ball AT ALL (outside of a blatant drop in game 1) is Switzer. If Rogers is healthy (and it looks like he is) he's better than Switzer. I wouldn't bitch if both are cut but if they keep Switzer over Rogers, THAT would be fucking silly.
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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:05 am

Kodiak wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:I don’t know why you keep repeating erroneous things re Switzer. Last night, you posted Switz can’t make the 20 yard reception on the skinny post that Eli completed. I posted video example of Switz doing that against Denver in the RS. You were silent. You now state the above?


LMFAO. Career 7.0 yards per catch. That's less than a good number of running backs. And you still think the guy is an NFL receiver? He's a gimmick player - how in the world will they ever replace 7 yards per catch?!?

The numbers don't lie - Switzer has never produced as a receiver. Eli Rogers has similar numbers the last two years, and everyone agrees that 2017/18 Eli Rogers isn't an NFL receiver. So why do you think Eli is hot garbage, but Switzer should be on the team when his production has been no better?


Eli had worse numbers the last two years. You also moved the goal posts. Switz is as I said numerous times a 4/5 WR. A role player. A guy who will catch some first downs, move the chains, etc. basically a Jag. Eli isnt even a JAG.

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:09 am

KC wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:
KC wrote:Johnson, Washington and JuJu are going to be fantastic together.

If Moncrief wakes the fuck up....holy shit. The old Eli Rogers made an appearance too, but he's far from guaranteed a spot.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Jaylen Samuels running routes too.

Very, very excited to see this offense develop.


Eli was awful and should be cut today. That “play” in the EZ turned a likely TD into an almost interception because Eli was lazy or stupid. Inexcusable. We all should root for him to be cut because he is garbage


Nah, Rogers had a big catch later and re-watching the end zone play, Rogers probably should have fought back a little harder but I don't think he was going to make that catch regardless. There were like 4 Chiefs surrounding him on that play and the pass itself was beyond dangerous. MC Hammer Jr might catch that ball, but I doubt any of our other receivers make that play.

The guy who isn't even seeing the ball AT ALL (outside of a blatant drop in game 1) is Switzer. If Rogers is healthy (and it looks like he is) he's better than Switzer. I wouldn't bitch if both are cut but if they keep Switzer over Rogers, THAT would be fucking silly.


You are really bad at evaluating players. The pass was almost complete without Eli combing back to the ball. If he does, it’s a completion or PI. Also, Eli has been bad or injured for two years. Was only okay before and always has had a fumbling problem. He is a garbage player that our idiotic coaches love (which should be a sign that he sucks). Think back to the Jaguars game where they decided to feature Eli instead of play the Alien. First, it forced Juju out of the slot. Second, they took a better talent off the field. Once down, Bryant replaced Eli and the offense came alive.

Eli sucks.

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Post by FC » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:33 am

I mean certain players have stood out the 1st 2 games.

I think Spencer is going to be a tough cut...I think I prefer Spencer over either Switzer or Rogers at this point.

I like my little guys to be very quick but also very fast. Spencer is a big play waiting to happen.

The Steelers have tight end problems...Grimble at best should be a teams 3rd tight end

I am actually a bit disappointed in both the Steelers Oline and Dline.

Jaylen Samuels may not be the starter to begin the season...I am really starting to believe he may be better in every aspect over Conner.

After the Steelers cut Hodges and Keep Dobbs I will bitch. Hodges is plenty good enough to play in the NFL.

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:43 am

FC wrote:I mean certain players have stood out the 1st 2 games.

I think Spencer is going to be a tough cut...I think I prefer Spencer over either Switzer or Rogers at this point.

I like my little guys to be very quick but also very fast. Spencer is a big play waiting to happen.

The Steelers have tight end problems...Grimble at best should be a teams 3rd tight end

I am actually a bit disappointed in both the Steelers Oline and Dline.

Jaylen Samuels may not be the starter to begin the season...I am really starting to believe he may be better in every aspect over Conner.

After the Steelers cut Hodges and Keep Dobbs I will bitch. Hodges is plenty good enough to play in the NFL.


I agree that unless Spencer does more very special things in the coming weeks, he's likely history due to his drops in game one.

The guy is an unbelievable returner, but I think they'll want someone who can return punts AND make some plays on offense.

I hope Spencer gets more opportunities to catch the ball because if he shows he can do that, he has very little competition in front of him.

Switzer has been horrible and while Rogers hasn't been much better (outside of one big play last night) he's tougher competition for Spencer than Switzer is.

Tomlin will be forced to play Samuels plenty (with or without Conner on the field) and that's another reason I think Switzer is an easy cut. Samuels has the look of a future star.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:49 am

Zeke5123 wrote:You are really bad at evaluating players. The pass was almost complete without Eli combing back to the ball. If he does, it’s a completion or PI. Also, Eli has been bad or injured for two years. Was only okay before and always has had a fumbling problem. He is a garbage player that our idiotic coaches love (which should be a sign that he sucks). Think back to the Jaguars game where they decided to feature Eli instead of play the Alien. First, it forced Juju out of the slot. Second, they took a better talent off the field. Once down, Bryant replaced Eli and the offense came alive.

Eli sucks.


Eli's better than Switzer, sweetie....and he's already showing it this preseason.

Switzer has a drop that hit him in the bread basket and can't get open. Not even sure he's seen anymore throws.

Rogers is no star (I hope they keep Spencer over both Switzer and Rogers) but he's getting opportunities because he gets open. He also had a very nice catch deep in Chiefs territory that you might be forgetting about.

Talk about the plays Switzer has made so far this preseason. Evaluate THAT.

:lol:

Again, I hope they keep Spencer and send both Rogers and Switzer packing but if it comes down to either Switzer or Rogers, Switzer sucks dick.
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Post by Kodiak » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:22 am

Zeke5123 wrote:Eli had worse numbers the last two years. You also moved the goal posts. Switz is as I said numerous times a 4/5 WR. A role player. A guy who will catch some first downs, move the chains, etc. basically a Jag. Eli isnt even a JAG.


Your right Eli wasn't a JAG, he was actually a #3 receiver in this league. You know, the sort of person you might want on your team as depth in case your #3 receiver goes down. Switzer isn't making an NFL team without returning punts, because he's far too limited as a receiver. Why rely on him for depth when he's never shown he can produce beyond catching screens and dumpoffs?

Yeah, gimpy fucking Eli Rogers production (7.6 YPC) is almost identical to Switzer (7.0 YPC). You put far too much weight on Switzer catch %, which actually proves my point - most of his targets are at or behind the LOS (average of 3.4 air yards, vs. 4.2 for Rogers last year, again no one thinks the 2017/18 Rogers should make the team).

But, yeah, you remember that one time he caught a 20 yard out. That was pretty sweet, literally the first and probably last time he has a reception of 20+ in the NFL.
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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:26 am

FC wrote:I mean certain players have stood out the 1st 2 games.

I think Spencer is going to be a tough cut...I think I prefer Spencer over either Switzer or Rogers at this point.

I like my little guys to be very quick but also very fast. Spencer is a big play waiting to happen.

The Steelers have tight end problems...Grimble at best should be a teams 3rd tight end

I am actually a bit disappointed in both the Steelers Oline and Dline.

Jaylen Samuels may not be the starter to begin the season...I am really starting to believe he may be better in every aspect over Conner.

After the Steelers cut Hodges and Keep Dobbs I will bitch. Hodges is plenty good enough to play in the NFL.


Only thing I disagree with is the “really starting to believe...”; tongue in cheek but yeah I think Samuels is better AND I think Conner is starter quality (ie not a knock on Conner; a compliment to Samuels).

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 am

Kodiak wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:Eli had worse numbers the last two years. You also moved the goal posts. Switz is as I said numerous times a 4/5 WR. A role player. A guy who will catch some first downs, move the chains, etc. basically a Jag. Eli isnt even a JAG.


Your right Eli wasn't a JAG, he was actually a #3 receiver in this league. You know, the sort of person you might want on your team as depth in case your #3 receiver goes down. Switzer isn't making an NFL team without returning punts, because he's far too limited as a receiver. Why rely on him for depth when he's never shown he can produce beyond catching screens and dumpoffs?

Yeah, gimpy fucking Eli Rogers production (7.6 YPC) is almost identical to Switzer (7.0 YPC). You put far too much weight on Switzer catch %, which actually proves my point - most of his targets are at or behind the LOS (average of 3.4 air yards, vs. 4.2 for Rogers last year, again no one thinks the 2017/18 Rogers should make the team).

But, yeah, you remember that one time he caught a 20 yard out. That was pretty sweet, literally the first and probably last time he has a reception of 20+ in the NFL.


You are ignoring fumble rates, roles, etc. also years in the league. With the at said, cutting both shouldn’t be out of the question.

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:29 am

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Zeke5123 wrote:You are really bad at evaluating players. The pass was almost complete without Eli combing back to the ball. If he does, it’s a completion or PI. Also, Eli has been bad or injured for two years. Was only okay before and always has had a fumbling problem. He is a garbage player that our idiotic coaches love (which should be a sign that he sucks). Think back to the Jaguars game where they decided to feature Eli instead of play the Alien. First, it forced Juju out of the slot. Second, they took a better talent off the field. Once down, Bryant replaced Eli and the offense came alive.

Eli sucks.


Eli's better than Switzer, sweetie....and he's already showing it this preseason.

Switzer has a drop that hit him in the bread basket and can't get open. Not even sure he's seen anymore throws.

Rogers is no star (I hope they keep Spencer over both Switzer and Rogers) but he's getting opportunities because he gets open. He also had a very nice catch deep in Chiefs territory that you might be forgetting about.

Talk about the plays Switzer has made so far this preseason. Evaluate THAT.

:lol:

Again, I hope they keep Spencer and send both Rogers and Switzer packing but if it comes down to either Switzer or Rogers, Switzer sucks dick.


First, Switz caught a pass in the 2 minute drill. Second, my bet is that Switz will see some passes from Ben. Different style of receiving. Works better with a QB who understands what he is doing. And really we are talking about the fifth receiver.

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:39 am

KC wrote:The guy is an unbelievable returner, but I think they'll want someone who can return punts AND make some plays on offense.


Would be a shame, because this team has been so desperately inadequate in the return game.

I don't think PIT needs him to contribute anything else. Vanimal, JuJu, Johnson, Washington, Conner, Samuels, Moncrief....already 7 guys, and then you need a #2 TE, maybe add in Snell.....how many more snaps, much less touches, are you needing?

What we need is production from the return game, not another gimmick/gadget guy (which I could do away with those plays all together).
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:58 am

Zeke5123 wrote:
KC wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:You are really bad at evaluating players. The pass was almost complete without Eli combing back to the ball. If he does, it’s a completion or PI. Also, Eli has been bad or injured for two years. Was only okay before and always has had a fumbling problem. He is a garbage player that our idiotic coaches love (which should be a sign that he sucks). Think back to the Jaguars game where they decided to feature Eli instead of play the Alien. First, it forced Juju out of the slot. Second, they took a better talent off the field. Once down, Bryant replaced Eli and the offense came alive.

Eli sucks.


Eli's better than Switzer, sweetie....and he's already showing it this preseason.

Switzer has a drop that hit him in the bread basket and can't get open. Not even sure he's seen anymore throws.

Rogers is no star (I hope they keep Spencer over both Switzer and Rogers) but he's getting opportunities because he gets open. He also had a very nice catch deep in Chiefs territory that you might be forgetting about.

Talk about the plays Switzer has made so far this preseason. Evaluate THAT.

:lol:

Again, I hope they keep Spencer and send both Rogers and Switzer packing but if it comes down to either Switzer or Rogers, Switzer sucks dick.


First, Switz caught a pass in the 2 minute drill. Second, my bet is that Switz will see some passes from Ben. Different style of receiving. Works better with a QB who understands what he is doing. And really we are talking about the fifth receiver.


Dude, Switzer sucks. He's tiny. He isn't particularly fast nor is he sudden.

The funniest comparison anybody will EVER make was when some dumbfuck compared Switzer to Edelman.

Switzer isn't a pimple on Edelman's ass.

Switzer has one trait, actually 2, going for him. He can catch punts and somehow, he hasn't died on the field yet. He's tiny but he's tough.

That is IT.

Right now, Eli Rogers is averaging 15.5 yards per catch.

Switz? He's averaging 5 yards per catch.

He's a turd that needs to be flushed.

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:04 am

Kodiak wrote:
KC wrote:The guy is an unbelievable returner, but I think they'll want someone who can return punts AND make some plays on offense.


Would be a shame, because this team has been so desperately inadequate in the return game.

I don't think PIT needs him to contribute anything else. Vanimal, JuJu, Johnson, Washington, Conner, Samuels, Moncrief....already 7 guys, and then you need a #2 TE, maybe add in Snell.....how many more snaps, much less touches, are you needing?

What we need is production from the return game, not another gimmick/gadget guy (which I could do away with those plays all together).


Agree on all counts but this is the absolute fucking IMBECILE Mike Tomlin we're talking about here.

They'll probably keep the fucking absolutely worthless Switzer to catch punts and stand there and Josh Dobbs will remain the #2 QB.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

After all, Switzer bought ice cream for everybody and he's blowing Ben like Mia Khalifa publicly whenever he can.

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:12 am

Talking about averages with a sample size of three is moronic. Go back to mopping jizz.

Also, there is a reason why Eli was undrafted. Zero pedigree, had one okay season, and living off of that sole okay season since. How is god awful. Makes sense KC would support him.

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:17 am

Zeke5123 wrote:Talking about averages with a sample size of three is moronic. Go back to mopping jizz.

Also, there is a reason why Eli was undrafted. Zero pedigree, had one okay season, and living off of that sole okay season since. How is god awful. Makes sense KC would support him.


Did you get a free ice cream cone from lil' Switz or do you think he's cute or something?

:lol:

Gotta give the lil' fella credit though. He's blowing the right people and doing everything possible (you know, except making any plays on the football field) to try and make this squad.

Spencer has shit all over Switz in the return game and Rogers is taking his lunch money getting open down the field.

Switz and his lil' 5 yarder might not make him a lock.

The ice cream might though.

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Post by 955876 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:21 am

Preseason and all but I liked the burst that Spencer’s kid showed on the punt return as well as the reverse.

Plus he isn’t a true rookie given he has some CFL experience.

I’m not impressed with Rogers or Switzer. Although I think Switzer is a bit better working the short and intermediate stuff over the middle than Rogers is which has some value. Although Rogers has been a ghost since his decent first season so who knows.

You don’t get better as a team by sticking with mediocre jags however. Hopefully someone impressed these next two games.

Best thing this preseason IMO is how much better James Washington looks.

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