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Modern era HOF finalists

Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:22 am

Steve Atwater, safety -- 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets
Tony Boselli, tackle -- 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars
Isaac Bruce, wide receiver -- 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers
LeRoy Butler, safety -- 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
Alan Faneca, guard -- 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
Torry Holt, wide receiver -- 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Steve Hutchinson, guard -- 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings, 2012 Tennessee Titans
Edgerrin James, running back -- 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks
John Lynch, safety -- 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Sam Mills, linebacker -- 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Troy Polamalu, safety -- 2003-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers
Richard Seymour, defensive end/defensive tackle -- 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Zach Thomas, linebacker -- 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Reggie Wayne, wide receiver -- 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Bryant Young, defensive tackle -- 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers


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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:16 am

Right off the bat Seymour is a not no but hell no from me. Why ?? Because fuck you thats why. Cheating bastard.

Lynch James Butler Boselli fall into the good not great category for me.

Steve Atwater......there is not one single thing he was even half as good at as Donnie Shell was. If Donnie aint in Atwater sure as fuck better not get in.

Thomas Wayne and Holt Im not against but no real strong push from me either

That leaves Faneca Troy Bruce Hutchinson Mills Young

I like Mills alot. Great LB. Young I am not sure. Are either of those 2 truly HOF worthy ??

Troy Faneca Bruce and Hutchinson I can make a pretty good case they were a cut above the rest.
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Post by Baltostiller » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:35 pm

During the 8 years 2110-2008 Faneca was first team all pro 6 times and second team all pro twice. He was also a member of the all decade team. Why the fuck he didn't make it last year is a joke. The torpedo was 3 time first team all pro and second team once. He should have been in long ago (along with LC). Troy was first team all pro 4 times and second team twice along with being on the all decade team.

It should be a no brainer that all 3 get in...the question is will they?

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Post by W&M_Steeler » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:23 pm

Holt and Wayne aren't any more deserving of the HoF than Hines Ward. I don't see how they get in but he doesn't. Their stats are comparable, and Ward played his career in a bad weather stadium, much of it with a run-first offense led by poor QBs. Ward didn't have an Isaac Bruce or a Marvin Harrison playing beside him either.

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Post by Ice » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm

Add in the blocks and the highlight reel Super Bowl plays, and it would seem like Ward has a chance. Peter King, I believe, has said he's got him in.
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Post by COR-TEN » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:44 pm

Ice wrote:
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Add in the blocks and the highlight reel Super Bowl plays, and it would seem like Ward has a chance. Peter King, I believe, has said he's got him in.
I'm not big on insults, but aren't you supposed to call him FFPK?
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Post by Ice » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:48 pm

It is the accepted nomenclature. Sorry, nobody tell Swiss.
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Post by Baltostiller » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:34 pm

Can someone please tell me why Boselli makes the final 15? The dude only played in 91 games. He was very good but come on, 91 games? That is less than 6 years of play. He should not be on this list. Faneca, by contrast played in 206 games.

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Post by fractalsteel » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 pm

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:34 pm
Can someone please tell me why Boselli makes the final 15? The dude only played in 91 games. He was very good but come on, 91 games? That is less than 6 years of play. He should not be on this list. Faneca, by contrast played in 206 games.
Patrick Willis was a head scratcher as well. Dude was the best ILB for nearly a decade and he wasn't a finalist. Did the voters punish him because he walked away in his prime?
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Post by Kodiak » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:51 pm

CORE-TEN wrote:
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... but aren't you supposed to call him FFPK?
TFFPK.....gotta have the T, it's like "THE Ohio State University".
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:40 pm

Ice wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm
Add in the blocks and the highlight reel Super Bowl plays, and it would seem like Ward has a chance. Peter King, I believe, has said he's got him in.
True, yet Wayne and Holt both made the finalist list but Hines didn't. Hines had a better career than either of those guys, and in worse conditions overall. Yet I have seen several articles discussing future HoF WRs that include Wayne and Holt but not Ward. I don't get it.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 pm

W&M_Steeler wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:40 pm
Ice wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm
Add in the blocks and the highlight reel Super Bowl plays, and it would seem like Ward has a chance. Peter King, I believe, has said he's got him in.
True, yet Wayne and Holt both made the finalist list but Hines didn't. Hines had a better career than either of those guys, and in worse conditions overall. Yet I have seen several articles discussing future HoF WRs that include Wayne and Holt but not Ward. I don't get it.
Im not sure you can say Ward had a better career than wayne or holt.....
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm

ward 12k+ 85 tds y/r 12.1 64%

holt 13k+ 74 tds 14.5 59%
wayne 14k+ 82 tds y/r 13.4 62%

I guess Ward DOES stack up pretty well there ;) :o 8-)
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm
ward 12k+ 85 tds y/r 12.1 64%

holt 13k+ 74 tds 14.5 59%
wayne 14k+ 82 tds y/r 13.4 62%

I guess Ward DOES stack up pretty well there ;) :o 8-)
And Ward did it with Kordell / Maddox throwing to him for the first half of his career in a Bettis-centric offense in an outdoor, cold weather stadium. Ward didn't have an Isaac Bruce or a Marvin Harrison to take the pressure off of him, either. In Hines' prime, he had Antwan Randle El and Cedric Wilson. Adding in Hines' game-changing physicality and his Super Bowl MVP and I'd say his career was clearly better than Wayne's or Holt's. Yet Hines seems to get overlooked in these discussions for some reason. I just can't see an argument for inducting Holt or Wayne and not Hines Ward.

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Post by El Kabong » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:11 pm

W&M_Steeler wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm
ward 12k+ 85 tds y/r 12.1 64%

holt 13k+ 74 tds 14.5 59%
wayne 14k+ 82 tds y/r 13.4 62%

I guess Ward DOES stack up pretty well there ;) :o 8-)
And Ward did it with Kordell / Maddox throwing to him for the first half of his career in a Bettis-centric offense in an outdoor, cold weather stadium. Ward didn't have an Isaac Bruce or a Marvin Harrison to take the pressure off of him, either. In Hines' prime, he had Antwan Randle El and Cedric Wilson. Adding in Hines' game-changing physicality and his Super Bowl MVP and I'd say his career was clearly better than Wayne's or Holt's. Yet Hines seems to get overlooked in these discussions for some reason. I just can't see an argument for inducting Holt or Wayne and not Hines Ward.
Ward did have Plax briefly. For some reason I remember that in 2001, Kordell had 3000 yards passing, and Ward and Plax each had 1000.
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Post by Ice » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:18 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm
ward 12k+ 85 tds y/r 12.1 64%

holt 13k+ 74 tds 14.5 59%
wayne 14k+ 82 tds y/r 13.4 62%

I guess Ward DOES stack up pretty well there ;) :o 8-)
Not to mention a Super Bowl MVP, some highlight reel Super Bowl plays and a dimension to his game neither Holt or Wayne brought to the table.
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Post by Baltostiller » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:01 pm

Ice wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:18 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm
ward 12k+ 85 tds y/r 12.1 64%

holt 13k+ 74 tds 14.5 59%
wayne 14k+ 82 tds y/r 13.4 62%

I guess Ward DOES stack up pretty well there ;) :o 8-)
Not to mention a Super Bowl MVP, some highlight reel Super Bowl plays and a dimension to his game neither Holt or Wayne brought to the table.
Wayne and Holt were in pass happy offenses and played a majority of their games over their careers indoors. Ward played in 11 out of 217 regular season games indoors over his entire career. 3 of those were in his last year. By contrast Holt played 104 of 173 games indoors and Wayne played 134 of 211 indoors. It's absolute bullshit that Ward isn't mentioned with/above these two.

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Post by Ice » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:36 pm

Preaching to the choir, man. On the field, Hines was special. One of my favorite Steelers I saw play.
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Post by Baltostiller » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:34 pm

Bumping this back to the top now that the Centennial HOF class has been announced. What are the chances that 4 Steelers go in this year?

I think it is a no-brainer that both Faneca and Troy deserve it. How can Mawae be in and Faneca not?

What is everyone's guess on the 5 that make it?

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Post by Steeldrama » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:42 pm

Sam Mills
Steve Hutchinson
Faneca
Troy
Richard Seymour- Go Dawgs
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:22 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:42 pm
Sam Mills
Steve Hutchinson
Faneca
Troy
Richard Seymour- Go Dawgs
Fuck Seymour. Fuck all of New England and everyone in it ever
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Post by Ice » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:34 pm

The idea of having Shell and Troy going in the same year is too good a storyline for the NFL to ignore. He's in. I think that, along with Cowher getting in (I know, the Centennial Class is supposedly separate), might set Faneca back a little, but who knows. Whoever said "book the Steelers for the Hall of Fame Game" is pretty much spot on, though. I'm personally rooting against Hard Knocks, but I think we're due.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 pm

I think we’re getting a huge NFL HOF Steelers push, an extra week of camp reports, an extra exhibition game, Hard Knocks, and a deep playoff run.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:44 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I think we’re getting a huge NFL HOF Steelers push, an extra week of camp reports, an extra exhibition game, Hard Knocks, and a deep playoff run.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:51 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 pm
I think we’re getting a huge NFL HOF Steelers push, an extra week of camp reports, an extra exhibition game, Hard Knocks, and a deep playoff run.

MERRY STEELERSMAS!!!
Fucking great, and hope Steelers Claus also gifts us a healthy Ben primed for his Elway-like career ending Super Bowl run. #HereWeGo
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Post by Baltostiller » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:55 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:51 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 pm
I think we’re getting a huge NFL HOF Steelers push, an extra week of camp reports, an extra exhibition game, Hard Knocks, and a deep playoff run.

MERRY STEELERSMAS!!!
Fucking great, and hope Steelers Claus also gifts us a healthy Ben primed for his Elway-like career ending Super Bowl run. #HereWeGo
You mean career ending TWO super bowl run, right?

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Post by Jobu » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:23 pm

Baltostiller wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:55 pm
JackLambert58 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:51 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 pm
I think we’re getting a huge NFL HOF Steelers push, an extra week of camp reports, an extra exhibition game, Hard Knocks, and a deep playoff run.

MERRY STEELERSMAS!!!
Fucking great, and hope Steelers Claus also gifts us a healthy Ben primed for his Elway-like career ending Super Bowl run. #HereWeGo
You mean career ending TWO super bowl run, right?
I would think that should the football gods smile down on the steel town, and Steelers miraculously stand victorious on the first February Sunday night of 2021, Ben will ride off into the sunset with both middle fingers flying high in the direction of one Antonio Tavaris Brown Sr. :lol:

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:28 pm

Nah, he wants 4 so bad he can taste it
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Post by Jobu » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:53 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Nah, he wants 4 so bad he can taste it
He did...at this point and circumstances, i think one more would be enough.

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