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Steelers hinting a deal done with Dupree?

Post by tbsteel » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:53 am

From the Steelers Instagram page with the caption "Incoming!"

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Zi4zMA0lV ... lsmxo5hu4q

Seems like an obvious hint, am I right?


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Post by jebrick » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:06 am

If that is true it could be a great help in signing other players
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Post by smithessmokin » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:33 am

Hope so, that would be a big hurdle out of the way already and I’m sure that a new contract will have a lower cap hit instead of what the franchise tag would have cost.

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Post by Lynch » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:44 am

Hopefully they can get ole Dong Dupree signed for somewhere under ten per yr.

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Post by franco32 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:19 pm

Dupree had his best year for sure. But, he is nowhere close to Watt's ability. I hope whatever contract they do, they keep that in mind as they have to sign Watt in the near term. That's going to be a ton of money tied up in OLB.

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Post by jebrick » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

It is more of surviving this off season with the cap situation and 30% rule. Getting Bud for less than 12M for this season is big. With the 30% rule, 12M is the most his base salary can be.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:15 pm

franco32 wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:19 pm
Dupree had his best year for sure. But, he is nowhere close to Watt's ability. I hope whatever contract they do, they keep that in mind as they have to sign Watt in the near term. That's going to be a ton of money tied up in OLB.
It's a bit tough because Ben could play 2 more years, or maybe even 4. But when he's done, that's almost $30mm PER YEAR off the books.

If you're not paying a franchise QB $25mm per year, it's almost kind of hard to spend the mandate 90% of the cap.
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Post by Jobu » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:31 pm

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Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm
It is more of surviving this off season with the cap situation and 30% rule. Getting Bud for less than 12M for this season is big. With the 30% rule, 12M is the most his base salary can be.
I don’t know butkis about the CBA, salary cap, etc. Does the 30% rule pertain to new contracts, or just extensions/restructures?
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Post by jebrick » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:10 pm

An old article but gives good basics
https://nationalfootballpost.com/chris- ... cent-rule/
The 30-percent rule, found in Article XXIV, Section 8 (b) of the CBA, states that renegotiations/extensions entered into in the 2010 league year may not increase per year from 2009 to 2010 or beyond more than 30 percent of the 2009 salary. For example, if the 2009 salary is $2M, the maximum available in 2010 is $2.6M, in 2011 it’s $3.2M, etc.

The theory behind the rule was to prevent the dumping of disproportionate amounts of compensation into a year with no cap to regulate spending. The rule was another quid pro quo for what was expected to be an uncapped windfall for players.
Newer article with more depth into the "final league year" of the CBA

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/260 ... -offseason
Article 13, Section 7 of the CBA mandates that "no player contract extending into a season beyond the Final League Year may provide for an annual increase in salary ... of more than 30 percent of the salary provided for in the Final League Year, per year, either in the season after the Final League Year or in any subsequent season covered by the Player Contract."

So if a player signs a five-year contract this offseason, and his 2020 salary is $10 million, the rules state his scheduled 2021, 2022 and 2023 salaries can't be higher than $13 million, $16 million and $19 million, respectively. And yes, there are already contracts on the books that reflect this. The deal Odell Beckham Jr. signed with the Giants last summer, for example, provides for a higher salary this year ($17 million) than in 2020 ($14.25 million), 2021 ($15.75 million), 2022 ($15 million) and 2023 ($15 million).

The 30 percent rule would allow the Giants to pay Beckham up to $18.525-$27.075 million in each of the years from 2021-23; as you can see, they are well under that figure. But Beckham's contract pays him about $38.5 million in the first two years of the deal (2018-2019), a structure that allows him to get more of his money sooner and also allows the Giants to stay well clear of the 30 percent rule on the back end of the type of contract that doesn't usually get paid out in full anyway.

The 2016 book "Crunching Numbers: An Inside Look at the Salary Cap and Negotiating Player Contracts" by Jason Fitzgerald and Vijay Natarajan (which was a big help in putting this piece together) deals with the 30 percent rule in greater detail and has helpful, concrete examples of different contract structures.
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Post by Donnie Brasco » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:57 pm

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Post by actionsteel1 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:09 pm

you got better eyes than me. I don't see anything in there suggesting anything.

But what I have been seeing is a whole lot of mocks taking an OLB at pick 49. Then making a helluva good case why.

You would be surprised how many fans are not thrilled at all in resigning him.
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Post by 955876 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:30 pm

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A concern of mine as well.

Don’t feel we have much choice however given that not signing him means Jibbs will simply input that JAG Chikillo in as starter and call it a day.

I say we sign Dupree, cut Chik, and roll with Skipper and Ola as backups.
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Post by 955876 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:35 pm

But what I have been seeing is a whole lot of mocks taking an OLB at pick 50. Then making a helluva good case why.
We need oline, WR, RB, & TE on offense.

Path of least resistance is to keep Watt & Dupree together going into next year so that you free up the already limited draft capital to throw at the offense.

Not a huge Dupree fan myself but he has come on of late. Hopefully it’s a sign he’s “getting it” vs he’s been dogging it till he hit contract year.

I don’t trust our coaches to know the difference.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:44 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:10 pm
An old article but gives good basics
https://nationalfootballpost.com/chris- ... cent-rule/
The 30-percent rule, found in Article XXIV, Section 8 (b) of the CBA, states that renegotiations/extensions entered into in the 2010 league year may not increase per year from 2009 to 2010 or beyond more than 30 percent of the 2009 salary. For example, if the 2009 salary is $2M, the maximum available in 2010 is $2.6M, in 2011 it’s $3.2M, etc.

The theory behind the rule was to prevent the dumping of disproportionate amounts of compensation into a year with no cap to regulate spending. The rule was another quid pro quo for what was expected to be an uncapped windfall for players.
Newer article with more depth into the "final league year" of the CBA

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/260 ... -offseason
Article 13, Section 7 of the CBA mandates that "no player contract extending into a season beyond the Final League Year may provide for an annual increase in salary ... of more than 30 percent of the salary provided for in the Final League Year, per year, either in the season after the Final League Year or in any subsequent season covered by the Player Contract."

So if a player signs a five-year contract this offseason, and his 2020 salary is $10 million, the rules state his scheduled 2021, 2022 and 2023 salaries can't be higher than $13 million, $16 million and $19 million, respectively. And yes, there are already contracts on the books that reflect this. The deal Odell Beckham Jr. signed with the Giants last summer, for example, provides for a higher salary this year ($17 million) than in 2020 ($14.25 million), 2021 ($15.75 million), 2022 ($15 million) and 2023 ($15 million).

The 30 percent rule would allow the Giants to pay Beckham up to $18.525-$27.075 million in each of the years from 2021-23; as you can see, they are well under that figure. But Beckham's contract pays him about $38.5 million in the first two years of the deal (2018-2019), a structure that allows him to get more of his money sooner and also allows the Giants to stay well clear of the 30 percent rule on the back end of the type of contract that doesn't usually get paid out in full anyway.

The 2016 book "Crunching Numbers: An Inside Look at the Salary Cap and Negotiating Player Contracts" by Jason Fitzgerald and Vijay Natarajan (which was a big help in putting this piece together) deals with the 30 percent rule in greater detail and has helpful, concrete examples of different contract structures.
This Final Year stuff is going to go away as soon as they announce the new deal... expected to be in a week or two.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:48 pm

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This Final Year stuff is going to go away as soon as they announce the new deal... expected to be in a week or two.
You really think a deal is going to be announced and agreed to by the NFLPA that quickly?

I was expecting an ugly and long negotiation.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:51 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:48 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:44 pm
This Final Year stuff is going to go away as soon as they announce the new deal... expected to be in a week or two.
You really think a deal is going to be announced and agreed to by the NFLPA that quickly?

I was expecting an ugly and long negotiation.
There was word about 3 weeks ago that the deal was close to being finalized.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:27 am

The CBA or Dupree?
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Post by smithessmokin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:31 am

jebrick wrote:
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The CBA or Dupree?
The CBA.

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Post by actionsteel1 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:05 am

955876 wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:30 pm
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:57 pm
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A concern of mine as well.

Don’t feel we have much choice however given that not signing him means Jibbs will simply input that JAG Chikillo in as starter and call it a day.

I say we sign Dupree, cut Chik, and roll with Skipper and Ola as backups.
Chickillo the mystery of the ages. I have not had him in the final 53 for 3 yrs. ????

Lately, I have been seeing lots of post cutting him for cap space. $4, 500,000. I couldn't believe it.

Not sure about Dupree, They're talking like 12M or more. That's heavy.

DUPREE's stats games 1-3 and 15-17 below.

These turned out to be most of the very few teams that
had a winning schedule we played.

--------TKL--AST COMB SK / YDS TFL QH
NE-------4-- 0--- 4--- 1 ---7-- 2---0
SEA------2-- 2----4--- 0----0---0---2
SF-------3---0--- 3--- 0--- 0---1--

BUF------1-- 2--- 3--- 0--- 0-- 0-- 0
NYJ------2-- 4--- 6--- 1--- 1-- 2-- 1
BAL------4-- 0----4--- 1--- 0-- 1-- 2

Really not much there. [ But he did have a
good year.] Uh! Yeah. he didn;t have a losing season. :lol:

Apparently his stats came from feasting on
the weaker teams . Everyone said they played a very
soft schedule. Next year could be tougher, They play NFC East
AFC South, BUF and DEN. Ehh! Not too tough.

Maybe these mocks know what they're talking about. :)

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Post by punum123 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:07 pm

I would prefer to keep Hargrave and not overpay Bud. Take my chances here.....

I thought Hargrave had an exceptional season....just can’t get beyond Bud doing zilch for his first 4 years.

IMO

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Post by Lynch » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:10 pm

He's not that great of a player, and likely won't get any better at this point. On a cap strapped team, something averaging ten mil per yr is more than fair. Get him his guaranteed, do four years, but those first three should have a hit of ten and no more. The modern day Donger just ain't worth it.

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Post by Steelafan77 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:09 pm

Here's every contract on the roster that could be restructured, and the max amount of savings while keeping in compliance with the 30% Rule without doing something uncharacteristic and/or inadvisable.
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Thanks to... @IanWhetstone https://twitter.com/IanWhetstone/status ... 6414647297
So that in mind there's talk of McDonald as a cap casualty along with McCullers, Barron, Foster and Chickillo...perhaps even a contract extension for Heyward.
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Post by tbsteel » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:24 pm

Lynch wrote:
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He's not that great of a player, and likely won't get any better at this point.
He has literally gotten better every single year he's been in the league. I hated the pick when we made it because he wasn't even the best pass rusher on his team at UK and only produced against the worst OTs in college football, but the guy was a pretty damn solid player in 2018 and a great player in 2019.

I think he's still getting better.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:33 pm

punum123 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:07 pm
I would prefer to keep Hargrave and not overpay Bud. Take my chances here.....

I thought Hargrave had an exceptional season....just can’t get beyond Bud doing zilch for his first 4 years.

IMO
They are not going to pay Hargrave 12-14M for a 50% snap NT. That is a horrible investment
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Post by fractalsteel » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:25 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:24 pm
Lynch wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:10 pm
He's not that great of a player, and likely won't get any better at this point.
He has literally gotten better every single year he's been in the league. I hated the pick when we made it because he wasn't even the best pass rusher on his team at UK and only produced against the worst OTs in college football, but the guy was a pretty damn solid player in 2018 and a great player in 2019.

I think he's still getting better.
Agree totally with the second quote. The first quote is more about who might replace him, which is ludicrous in believing that player will be able to replace what Dupree has done.

Dupree started to use inside moves last season and he refined those moves this year. Hell, he even used some spin moves and he is getting better at taking on blockers bigger than him.
10+ sacks, 15+ TFL and 4 FF. There isn't a player on the roster that can replace that.
Remember if he walks, we get a late third round compensatory pick next year. That isn't much compensation.

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Post by Lynch » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:38 pm

He has improved over the past five years, that's true. But considering he was a lesser player than the almighty Chickillo as a rookie, what exactly did you expect? I think he's pretty much maxed out.

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Post by stillcajun » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:08 pm

I just hope they don't bid against themselves. Yeah it seemed the light came on this year for Ol' Bud but Steelers are known for running to the podium for less than stellar talent aka Chickillo.

PFF doesn't even have him as a Top 50 FA (take that with a grain of salt).

If they get him for an avg of 9-10 M/yr then they would've won but I have a feeling that this will not go well.

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Post by steelmann58 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:18 pm

I franchise him and see if he can put up the same numbers.

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Post by Lynch » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:20 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:18 pm
I franchise him and see if he can put up the same numbers.
If they do I hope someone else picks him up.

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