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Re: Championship Sunday

Post by El Kabong » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:47 am

Ah well, go Chiefs.



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Post by Pabst » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:48 am

Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:36 am
Steelers4Life wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:28 am
I wish the Steelers incorporated the FB the way the Niners do. Also wish that Nix could stay healthy so we can do so.
Nix isn’t in the same ballpark as Juszczyk. He should be at the top of the cut list.
Nix has a cap hit of $1.8m next year. He's not going anywhere.

For reference, Juszczyk will be earning nearly 7m

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Post by Steelersfan » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am

Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.

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Post by Old School » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:06 am

Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.


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Post by Jobu » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:13 am

Pabst wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:48 am
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:36 am
Steelers4Life wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:28 am
I wish the Steelers incorporated the FB the way the Niners do. Also wish that Nix could stay healthy so we can do so.
Nix isn’t in the same ballpark as Juszczyk. He should be at the top of the cut list.
Nix has a cap hit of $1.8m next year. He's not going anywhere.

For reference, Juszczyk will be earning nearly 7m
Yep...like I said, not in the same ballpark.
Ole Rosie was worth every penny he got this past season.
Nix isn’t going anywhere, not because of his cap hit, but because he’s a Tomlin favorite.
Hanging on to and paying guys like Rosie Nix, and pretending that they are making positive contributions are earmarks of the Tomlin regime.

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Post by jebrick » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm

the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
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Post by StillerInCT » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:39 pm

Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
At the very least fire Danny Smith. I honestly don't know how he still has a job here. It's the most egregious example of keeping a useless coach I've ever seen. Our special teams, other than Boswell, have NEVER been good under him.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:01 pm

jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm
the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
I do. They had to rely on Jimmy G. in that shootout with New Orleans.

He’s not Mahomes, but he’s a very efficient, very accurate QB. His release is excellent.

I see what Shanahan is doing though. He’s coaching to win, which is really cool to watch.

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm

Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
We hired a "fresh, young mind" when he hired Mike Tomlin. Did the same when we hired Cowher. And we got 2 dinosaurs.

It has zero to little to do with age. Belichick is the best coach in the league at 67. Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind at 61.

I do understand your sentiment. But it's really about finding the right mind.

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:08 pm

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Post by 955876 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm

Hanging on to and paying guys like Rosie Nix, and pretending that they are making positive contributions are earmarks of the Tomlin regime.
At least Nix has some value. As long as you don’t have him try to run it on 4th & 6.

Typical Tomlin will be when he brings back that useless below jag Switzer.

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Post by jebrick » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:27 pm

955876 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm
Hanging on to and paying guys like Rosie Nix, and pretending that they are making positive contributions are earmarks of the Tomlin regime.
At least Nix has some value. As long as you don’t have him try to run it on 4th & 6.

Typical Tomlin will be when he brings back that useless below jag Switzer.
and Cowher era. He loved his vets. Blackwell anyone?
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Post by Jobu » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:23 pm

955876 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm
Hanging on to and paying guys like Rosie Nix, and pretending that they are making positive contributions are earmarks of the Tomlin regime.
At least Nix has some value. As long as you don’t have him try to run it on 4th & 6.

Typical Tomlin will be when he brings back that useless below jag Switzer.
Ehhh...Nix and Switzer fall into the same category. Along with guys like Daniel McCullers, Jordan Dangerfield, and Vince Williams. There are upgrades for these guys out there, and probably not too hard to find...even in the draft. Tomlin and company are just afraid to let go...

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Post by 955876 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:25 pm

jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:27 pm
955876 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm
Hanging on to and paying guys like Rosie Nix, and pretending that they are making positive contributions are earmarks of the Tomlin regime.
At least Nix has some value. As long as you don’t have him try to run it on 4th & 6.

Typical Tomlin will be when he brings back that useless below jag Switzer.
and Cowher era. He loved his vets. Blackwell anyone?
Switz will need to put in at least a full seasons work to catch-up to Blackwell’s paltry stats.

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Post by jebrick » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:17 pm

955876 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:25 pm
jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:27 pm
955876 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm


At least Nix has some value. As long as you don’t have him try to run it on 4th & 6.

Typical Tomlin will be when he brings back that useless below jag Switzer.
and Cowher era. He loved his vets. Blackwell anyone?
Switz will need to put in at least a full seasons work to catch-up to Blackwell’s paltry stats.
Not arguing that. I just remember the discussions on what photos Blackwell had on Cowher to stick with the team on Stillers
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:18 pm

jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm
the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
Yes. Garoppolo might be the most slept-on QB in the league. He has some iffy days, but generally, his anticipation and reads are excellent and he has a very accurate arm. And Kittle, Deebo, Sanders, Bourne, Richie James & those RBs are a really nice group to throw to. Earlier this year, they were killing teams with the pass.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:21 pm

StillerInCT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:39 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
At the very least fire Danny Smith. I honestly don't know how he still has a job here. It's the most egregious example of keeping a useless coach I've ever seen. Our special teams, other than Boswell, have NEVER been good under him.
IDK, guys. Some aspects have been bterrible, but some things have never been better:
9th overall: 2nd in FG, 5th in KO, 31st in KR, 29th in Punt, 3rd in PR

Schizophrenic.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:22 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:01 pm
jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm
the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
I do. They had to rely on Jimmy G. in that shootout with New Orleans.

He’s not Mahomes, but he’s a very efficient, very accurate QB. His release is excellent.

I see what Shanahan is doing though. He’s coaching to win, which is really cool to watch.
They're going to come out throwing it vs. KC. George Kittle might be the game's MVP. The 2005 Steelers strategy for the games leading up to the SB. If they can get a good lead, they have the horses to run to victory without turtling.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:25 pm

Havoc wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
We hired a "fresh, young mind" when he hired Mike Tomlin. Did the same when we hired Cowher. And we got 2 dinosaurs.

It has zero to little to do with age. Belichick is the best coach in the league at 67. Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind at 61.

I do understand your sentiment. But it's really about finding the right mind.
Rooneys run the show. They want dinosaur football. The coach is bought in. The OC buys in whether he gets it or not. The QB even buys in. If they replace the current dinosaur, you're just going to get a younger dinosaur.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:31 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:18 pm
jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm
the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
Yes. Garoppolo might be the most slept-on QB in the league. He has some iffy days, but generally, his anticipation and reads are excellent and he has a very accurate arm. And Kittle, Deebo, Sanders, Bourne, Richie James & those RBs are a really nice group to throw to. Earlier this year, they were killing teams with the pass.
349 and 4TDs @ New Orleans.

And KCs defense isn’t as good as New Orleans.

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Post by 955876 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:33 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:25 pm
Havoc wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
We hired a "fresh, young mind" when he hired Mike Tomlin. Did the same when we hired Cowher. And we got 2 dinosaurs.

It has zero to little to do with age. Belichick is the best coach in the league at 67. Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind at 61.

I do understand your sentiment. But it's really about finding the right mind.
Rooneys run the show. They want dinosaur football. The coach is bought in. The OC buys in whether he gets it or not. The QB even buys in. If they replace the current dinosaur, you're just going to get a younger dinosaur.
Well that gives us something to look forward to.

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Post by Jobu » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:42 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:25 pm
Havoc wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
We hired a "fresh, young mind" when he hired Mike Tomlin. Did the same when we hired Cowher. And we got 2 dinosaurs.

It has zero to little to do with age. Belichick is the best coach in the league at 67. Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind at 61.

I do understand your sentiment. But it's really about finding the right mind.
Rooneys run the show. They want dinosaur football. The coach is bought in. The OC buys in whether he gets it or not. The QB even buys in. If they replace the current dinosaur, you're just going to get a younger dinosaur.
Unfortunately...this be true.

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Post by Obviously » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:50 pm

Old School wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:06 am
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.


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Post by Obviously » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:52 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:25 pm
Havoc wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:05 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:53 am
Hopefully, the Rooney's, Colbert n Tomlin have been watching the playoffs and realize how behind the times we are and how behind the rest of the NFL we are. Hopefully, they come in to facilty tmrw and fire Danny Smith n Fictners ass. Hopefully! We look like a Jr high team compared to the teams in the playoffs this year. And it's not JUST cause Ben went down. We need brains and innovation in alot of areas. Get some fresh, young minds into the org.
We hired a "fresh, young mind" when he hired Mike Tomlin. Did the same when we hired Cowher. And we got 2 dinosaurs.

It has zero to little to do with age. Belichick is the best coach in the league at 67. Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind at 61.

I do understand your sentiment. But it's really about finding the right mind.
Rooneys run the show. They want dinosaur football. The coach is bought in. The OC buys in whether he gets it or not. The QB even buys in. If they replace the current dinosaur, you're just going to get a younger dinosaur.
Two years removed from that 2017 offensive juggernaut. Okay.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:54 pm

I don't think it's fair to say that the Steelers want dinosaur football. They can be accused of enabling their stars.

The Steelers hired Fcikhitner to build an offense for Ben. He did just that.

They have an OL that is very effective at pass blocking but can't line up and blow anyone off the ball
There is limited to no play action
There are a lot of 1v1 routes v combination routes - no scheming of anyone open
RB's don't get on the field unless they are really good pass blockers

This made some sense a couple of years back. It was completely unworkable with a lesser talent than Ben behind center (and lesser talents than AB at WR). And it's a recipe for disaster moving forward.

We'll see if any adjustments are made next year or if they'll just revert to creating an offense that makes Ben comfortable and happy, regardless of the outcome.

The niners have the scheme that I hope they learn from. And they have the RB's and of course TE talent that the Steelers should be trying to copy.

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Post by jeemie » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:34 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:22 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:01 pm
jebrick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:54 pm
the 2019 49ers remind me of the 1974 Steelers in that the team leans heavily on the defense and running game. Does anyone trust Jimmy Garoppolo to be able to pull them back if they fall behind?
I do. They had to rely on Jimmy G. in that shootout with New Orleans.

He’s not Mahomes, but he’s a very efficient, very accurate QB. His release is excellent.

I see what Shanahan is doing though. He’s coaching to win, which is really cool to watch.
They're going to come out throwing it vs. KC. George Kittle might be the game's MVP. The 2005 Steelers strategy for the games leading up to the SB. If they can get a good lead, they have the horses to run to victory without turtling.
Additionally they have the type of pass rush that can give Mahomes fits.

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Post by 955876 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:06 am

We’ll see if any adjustments are made next year
Don’t count on it. We have the same stooges coming back. You think all of a sudden they’ll change?

They will fall back on all the injuries and new pieces and use that as the sole excuse for failure & woeful offense.

This team is slow to self evaluate. To them it can’t possibly be the coaches AND the players.

Always the execution with them. The plan is rarely, if ever called into question.

I watch the 49ers offense with jealous envy.

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