What will the NFL season actually look like.
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What will the NFL season actually look like.
I know the NFL is considering starting the season as late as October 15th now.
Nobody knows for sure, but I’m wondering what you guys think. Will there be a normal training camp. Will there be games. Will fans be allowed in the stadium or maybe empty stands with TV only.
Today’s links on the subject:
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ ... l-lv-tampa
https://theriotreport.com/nfl-making-mu ... 20-season/
Nobody knows for sure, but I’m wondering what you guys think. Will there be a normal training camp. Will there be games. Will fans be allowed in the stadium or maybe empty stands with TV only.
Today’s links on the subject:
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ ... l-lv-tampa
https://theriotreport.com/nfl-making-mu ... 20-season/
Last edited by Stallworth16 on Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.
I don’t think delaying is a good idea. Most of the epidemiologists are predicting/modeling a second wave in the fall and winter. This timeline delays right into that. I think they are better off getting the season started on time and let the chips fall where they may. Perhaps some games would need relocated. New York, Seattle, LA, and SF may still need heavy restrictions size of gatherings. But if at all possible they should try to start in early September as usual. They may need expanded rosters though to account for a shorter training camp/preseason.
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The NFL plans to start on schedule.SteelPro wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:19 pmI don’t think delaying is a good idea. Most of the epidemiologists are predicting/modeling a second wave in the fall and winter. This timeline delays right into that. I think they are better off getting the season started on time and let the chips fall where they may. Perhaps some games would need relocated. New York, Seattle, LA, and SF may still need heavy restrictions size of gatherings. But if at all possible they should try to start in early September as usual. They may need expanded rosters though to account for a shorter training camp/preseason.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -scheduled
I can also imagine an abbreviated season. 8-10 games with 2 preseason. Football activities (OTA's camp etc ) starting in mid to late august/ early september. Regular season staring in october. Maybe with stadiums at half capacity, an empty seat between spectators. Masks required and temp checks at entry. No alcohol. The point of postponing the start is to ramp up the protocol for disinfecting, PPE, and testing, if they haven't already started. Based on the above posted article, it looks like the NFL has already made plans and executing them in preparation for a normal start.
I can also imagine it all coming to a close in late Nov/ December if a second Covid 19 wave hits. Maybe you're right SteelPro. Get it started asap and see where it goes. . .but stopping the season at the quarter pole or thereabouts would suck, from a fan perspective. But at least the industry would have made a decent percentage of normal profits. Because you know the owners are worried about their bank accounts.
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No alcohol?!?!? Count me out!CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:50 pmThe NFL plans to start on schedule.SteelPro wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:19 pmI don’t think delaying is a good idea. Most of the epidemiologists are predicting/modeling a second wave in the fall and winter. This timeline delays right into that. I think they are better off getting the season started on time and let the chips fall where they may. Perhaps some games would need relocated. New York, Seattle, LA, and SF may still need heavy restrictions size of gatherings. But if at all possible they should try to start in early September as usual. They may need expanded rosters though to account for a shorter training camp/preseason.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -scheduled
I can also imagine an abbreviated season. 8-10 games with 2 preseason. Football activities (OTA's camp etc ) starting in mid to late august/ early september. Regular season staring in october. Maybe with stadiums at half capacity, an empty seat between spectators. Masks required and temp checks at entry. No alcohol. The point of postponing the start is to ramp up the protocol for disinfecting, PPE, and testing, if they haven't already started. Based on the above posted article, it looks like the NFL has already made plans and executing them in preparation for a normal start.
I can also imagine it all coming to a close in late Nov/ December if a second Covid 19 wave hits. Maybe you're right SteelPro. Get it started asap and see where it goes. . .but stopping the season at the quarter pole or thereabouts would suck, from a fan perspective. But at least the industry would have made a decent percentage of normal profits. Because you know the owners are worried about their bank accounts.
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I’m thinking they play, no fans. Players get temperature taken before contests etc...
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So piping fan noise into stadiums would be acceptable? Hell, we've been accustomed to canned laughter for sit coms for decades that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. A guy in the booth turns up the crowd noise on 3rd and 8 at the 12. Then they can CGI fans into the seats. . . Or better yet. Use stadium video from last year.Steelperch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:55 pmI’m thinking they play, no fans. Players get temperature taken before contests etc...
'Cause we all know alcohol is always good for self restraint.
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The real question is will they still play Renegade in the 4th quarter in an empty Heinz Field?CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:06 pmSo piping fan noise into stadiums would be acceptable? Hell, we've been accustomed to canned laughter for sit coms for decades that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. A guy in the booth turns up the crowd noise on 3rd and 8 at the 12. Then they can CGI fans into the seats. . . Or better yet. Use stadium video from last year.Steelperch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:55 pmI’m thinking they play, no fans. Players get temperature taken before contests etc...
'Cause we all know alcohol is always good for self restraint.
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I feel like the answer to that is obvious, Pro.
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I agree with Perch...and fuck the noise.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:06 pmSo piping fan noise into stadiums would be acceptable? Hell, we've been accustomed to canned laughter for sit coms for decades that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. A guy in the booth turns up the crowd noise on 3rd and 8 at the 12. Then they can CGI fans into the seats. . . Or better yet. Use stadium video from last year.Steelperch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:55 pmI’m thinking they play, no fans. Players get temperature taken before contests etc...
'Cause we all know alcohol is always good for self restraint.
I don't know the economics, but the NFL doesn't really NEED ticket revenue, and they really wouldn't give a fuck about all of the other economic impacts of no gameday crowds, to bar/restauarants (if they're even open), etc.
Regular season games going into January. That’s 6-7 weeks of ACTUAL winter for NFC and AFC East and North. I don’t think a virus can survive Buffalo in January. I know I can’t. Just sayin’.
I think by the end of June and early July, the virus will be talked about less and less, and will be moving out of the 24 hour news cycle. At least for a few months. It would make zero sense to delay the season until a time when there is speculation the virus will come back. If anything they should start the season in early July and be done by thanksgiving!
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they will play....just no fans....which will be great for the Steelers
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I believe I gave my idea on the predraft podcast but it may have been on Feeling A Draft––have fans all connected via the or phone conference call-- mix together all their noise into the stadium and pump it through the PA.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:06 pmSo piping fan noise into stadiums would be acceptable? Hell, we've been accustomed to canned laughter for sit coms for decades that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. A guy in the booth turns up the crowd noise on 3rd and 8 at the 12. Then they can CGI fans into the seats. . . Or better yet. Use stadium video from last year.Steelperch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:55 pmI’m thinking they play, no fans. Players get temperature taken before contests etc...
'Cause we all know alcohol is always good for self restraint.
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If Madden can create artificial crowd noise, it can't be that hard for the NFL to do it. But it will be really weird watching games with empty stadiums. They can probably fix that, too.
Otherwise, in stadiums designed for 60k people, I do believe you can bring in at least a few thousand fans (wearing masks) and still practice social distancing.
Otherwise, in stadiums designed for 60k people, I do believe you can bring in at least a few thousand fans (wearing masks) and still practice social distancing.
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Why?SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:36 pmthey will play....just no fans....which will be great for the Steelers
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If they play (and that's a much bigger "if" than people think) it'll be with no fans for sure.
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NFL Says 2020 Season Is Scheduled To Start On Time In September
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Should be out by May 9th as we've said. Kickoff slated for Sept. 10 and the 101th season concludes w/ Super Bowl LV in Tampa on Feb. 7, 2021.https://twitter.com/NFLprguy/status/1255575151514718213
“I pride myself in creating discomfort for myself and others,” Tomlin said, “I’m fundamentally against comfort.” [3-24-2024]
Too lazy to look-up the numbers, but I'm guessing only 10-20% of revenues come from ticket sales (and related concessions, etc). What that means is most teams are going to lose money (cash flow only, the value of the teams is still increasing if teams seek to monetize that).
The billionaires might be willing to lose a little money for one season. But I'll bet that they attempt to renegotiate the television deals. All the fans that would have been at games are now glued to their tv. And it's not just sports that are shutdown, it's also Hollywood. That means come fall that the NFL will be THE ONLY NEW & ORIGINAL CONTENT ON TV!!!!!
I don't think they'll be successful in renegotiating, but they could add additional primetime games and maybe share in the revenue. If there's no college football, they'll move half the games to Saturday, and add an extra game on Thursday and Monday nights.
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Packers being a publicly owned business must report their financials. They reported 43% of their revenues in 2018 was local... ticket sales, concessions, signage, and corporate sponsorships. Most of that revenue disappears if no asses are in seats this year. The real negotiation will be with the player association. No way owners will be paying players full salaries when revenues will be taking such a steep haircut.Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:48 amToo lazy to look-up the numbers, but I'm guessing only 10-20% of revenues come from ticket sales (and related concessions, etc). What that means is most teams are going to lose money (cash flow only, the value of the teams is still increasing if teams seek to monetize that).
The billionaires might be willing to lose a little money for one season. But I'll bet that they attempt to renegotiate the television deals. All the fans that would have been at games are now glued to their tv. And it's not just sports that are shutdown, it's also Hollywood. That means come fall that the NFL will be THE ONLY NEW & ORIGINAL CONTENT ON TV!!!!!
I don't think they'll be successful in renegotiating, but they could add additional primetime games and maybe share in the revenue. If there's no college football, they'll move half the games to Saturday, and add an extra game on Thursday and Monday nights.
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Small market teams don't necessarily rely on ticket, F&B, merch sales, and parking, etc, but it supplements profits from the NFL ad revenue and broadcast rights. It's a loss either way, but even with 2/3rds a season, they'll still make bucket loads of cash.
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Thanks for not being lazy. That's pretty shocking. I saw an estimate in 2015 that only about 50% of revenues came from tv. Not sure how big merch sales are. Packers might be a little higher than some, but safe bet that 35-40% of revenues come from butts in seat.SteelPro wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:20 pmPackers being a publicly owned business must report their financials. They reported 43% of their revenues in 2018 was local... ticket sales, concessions, signage, and corporate sponsorships. Most of that revenue disappears if no asses are in seats this year. The real negotiation will be with the player association. No way owners will be paying players full salaries when revenues will be taking such a steep haircut.
That definitely makes the economics a lot more complicated. Obviously the owners can absorb those losses, but they may have to liquidate other assets in order to free up the needed cash flow. Not chump change, either - the losses could easily run $50-100M....mostly offset by a gain in franchise values (but that doesn't help the cash flow issue).
Just not seeing a lot of leverage to renegotiate salaries with players. Aaron Rogers is already bitching about not being compensated for a 17th game - I'm guessing a 30% paycut goes over like a wet fart. But it would be a PR nightmare for the owners to cry about the losses. But if there's no college football (good chance there isn't) it's a win-win for everyone to spread schedules for more primetime games.
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I actually think owners are in a pretty good spot to negotiate. The alternative for the players would be sit out and get nothing. The cap is already calculated based off of percentages of revenues so not having those revenues would put downward pressure on salaries in the future anyway. I think there will be some sort of salary adjustment for all these leagues.Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:33 pmThanks for not being lazy. That's pretty shocking. I saw an estimate in 2015 that only about 50% of revenues came from tv. Not sure how big merch sales are. Packers might be a little higher than some, but safe bet that 35-40% of revenues come from butts in seat.SteelPro wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:20 pmPackers being a publicly owned business must report their financials. They reported 43% of their revenues in 2018 was local... ticket sales, concessions, signage, and corporate sponsorships. Most of that revenue disappears if no asses are in seats this year. The real negotiation will be with the player association. No way owners will be paying players full salaries when revenues will be taking such a steep haircut.
That definitely makes the economics a lot more complicated. Obviously the owners can absorb those losses, but they may have to liquidate other assets in order to free up the needed cash flow. Not chump change, either - the losses could easily run $50-100M....mostly offset by a gain in franchise values (but that doesn't help the cash flow issue).
Just not seeing a lot of leverage to renegotiate salaries with players. Aaron Rogers is already bitching about not being compensated for a 17th game - I'm guessing a 30% paycut goes over like a wet fart. But it would be a PR nightmare for the owners to cry about the losses. But if there's no college football (good chance there isn't) it's a win-win for everyone to spread schedules for more primetime games.
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I don't disagree. I just think in the current environment if there were no NFL because of a dispute over revenues the owners would get almost all of the blame, justifiably.SteelPro wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:43 pmI actually think owners are in a pretty good spot to negotiate. The alternative for the players would be sit out and get nothing. The cap is already calculated based off of percentages of revenues so not having those revenues would put downward pressure on salaries in the future anyway. I think there will be some sort of salary adjustment for all these leagues.
If money gets in the way of an NFL season, wow there are going to be some very very very very very angry fans.
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I think the Steelers play better with fans cheering them on.SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:36 pmthey will play....just no fans....which will be great for the Steelers
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Offense definitely does better without opposing fan noise. Could be part of the struggles for the offense on the road, because sometimes it's harder for Ben to communicate all the adjustments.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 2:20 amI think the Steelers play better with fans cheering them on.
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They get into some scenarios of scheduling the division and conference games late in the schedule and having to adjust the schedule in this conversation. What if they need to lop off 4 games or some shit then they will probably schedule cross conference games to start the year etc...
They get into some scenarios of scheduling the division and conference games late in the schedule and having to adjust the schedule in this conversation. What if they need to lop off 4 games or some shit then they will probably schedule cross conference games to start the year etc...
I think they'll cancel OTA's, and possibly mini-camp, but preseason should proceed as normal. The big question is whether they'll finish the year.stillthere wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:41 amThey get into some scenarios of scheduling the division and conference games late in the schedule and having to adjust the schedule in this conversation. What if they need to lop off 4 games or some shit then they will probably schedule cross conference games to start the year etc...
Otherwise the fairest thing as far as determining playoffs is to frontload the 4 non-conference games if for some reason the season starts late.
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Im not worried. They have to play the games with people in the stands or else theyll just tailgate outside and/or riot and burn every city down.
The hamfisted government response has nuked the public trust in authority. The majority of people are out of fucks to give about the virus. Even as the media tries to brainwash otherwise.
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More and more numbers are rising in the US.
I think they are gonna shut down the season.
I think they are gonna shut down the season.
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But isn’t that just because hospitals are incentivized to bill for COVID? Someone can die of a gunshot wound, but if they test positive for COVID, its a COVID death right now.SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:58 amMore and more numbers are rising in the US.
I think they are gonna shut down the season.
Public opinion is souring on this quick. I am definitely seeing a change in tone from the public.
It is serious, but the blowback from these restrictions is erupting.
I can’t imagine the riots we will see if they try to take away football.