What if there is no 2020 season?

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Re: What if there is no 2020 season?

Post by Ice » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:23 am

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Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:17 pm
What if the next NFL season is 2021?

When I ponder that question it raises so many other questions.

Imagine there are no college games either. Would there be a 2021 NFL draft? How do you figure out comp picks when those free agents signed in 2020 never played a game? It doesn't matter? You simply go by the contracts signed?

Do you follow through with an NFL draft anyway in 2021? So, if things come back to some sort of normal, there will be a season for 2021, then the Steelers might have two rookie draft classes the 2020 and 2021 players.

How do you even have an NFL 2021 draft? With no season played, the positioning, the draft slots do you go by the last played season record?

So, the first pick in the 2021 Steelers draft, Pittsburgh selects, with the 18th pick, ____________________?

Hey, I am off for 3 days and bored, but why not play along, who would you pick in this scenario?
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Post by Donnie Brasco » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:09 pm

blu wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:00 pm
955876 wrote:
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Many things like liberty, freedom, equality, justice,
Are still waaaaay better here despite the current America is the bane of all evil narrative.

Take a stroll through the continent of Africa, the Middle East, central & South America, Asia, etc etc and tell me how the rest of the world stacks up.

That’s not to say we can’t still be better.

Ironic how many “Americans” shout down and despise this country yet it’s still the one millions of people try so desperately to come to.

I suppose word hasn’t gotten out to the rest of the world just how horrible this place is.
But Canada & America are the best 2 country comparison & there is no reason why the covid-19 numbers per capita should not be so different except for stupidity.
I agree there is a factor of stupidity. I mean Florida is it's own world in many respects

But there's also a factor of 1) population and 2) population density

I haven't verified this but my guess the most populous cities in Canada: Montreal and Toronto? Then probably a huge step down to the likes of Hamilton, Edmonton and Calgary

NYC, LA and Chicago likely tower over those populations. The next largest city is likely Houston, which probably isn't a major step down from those 3

Like most things, there is nuance to this virus spreading and it's not as binary as people believe

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Post by stinger8 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:13 pm

955876 wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:48 pm
Many things like liberty, freedom, equality, justice,
Are still waaaaay better here despite the current America is the bane of all evil narrative.

Take a stroll through the continent of Africa, the Middle East, central & South America, Asia, etc etc and tell me how the rest of the world stacks up.

That’s not to say we can’t still be better.

Ironic how many “Americans” shout down and despise this country yet it’s still the one millions of people try so desperately to come to.

I suppose word hasn’t gotten out to the rest of the world just how horrible this place is.
Thats a high bar you set their comparing to Africa, Middle east central and South America :lol: :lol: :lol:

Got news for ya, the word IS out. Here is an American ex pat commenting from afar

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/do ... li=AAggNb9

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Post by jebrick » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:23 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:09 pm
blu wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:00 pm
955876 wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:48 pm


Are still waaaaay better here despite the current America is the bane of all evil narrative.

Take a stroll through the continent of Africa, the Middle East, central & South America, Asia, etc etc and tell me how the rest of the world stacks up.

That’s not to say we can’t still be better.

Ironic how many “Americans” shout down and despise this country yet it’s still the one millions of people try so desperately to come to.

I suppose word hasn’t gotten out to the rest of the world just how horrible this place is.
But Canada & America are the best 2 country comparison & there is no reason why the covid-19 numbers per capita should not be so different except for stupidity.
I agree there is a factor of stupidity. I mean Florida is it's own world in many respects

But there's also a factor of 1) population and 2) population density

I haven't verified this but my guess the most populous cities in Canada: Montreal and Toronto? Then probably a huge step down to the likes of Hamilton, Edmonton and Calgary

NYC, LA and Chicago likely tower over those populations. The next largest city is likely Houston, which probably isn't a major step down from those 3

Like most things, there is nuance to this virus spreading and it's not as binary as people believe

Most of it stupidity and "rugged individualism".

http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/la ... y-125.html

That is a list of cities by population density. The first US city is Los Angeles at #90. You will see in the top 10, some cities doing poorly( Mumbai) and some doing very well(Taipei and Seoul/Incheon). While I do agree that population density has a lot to do with the spread, the selfishness and lack of foresight of some people is astounding.
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Post by 955876 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:11 pm

Thats a high bar you set their comparing to Africa, Middle east central and South America :lol: :lol: :lol:
In other her words, huge segments of this place we call earth.

You act like I cherry picked a few places.

Your linked article doesn’t dispute anything I said.

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Post by blu » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:58 pm

There should be no dispute that America is a great country & you don't need the hat. It doesn't need to be made great again just perhaps fine-tune a few things.

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:37 pm

955876 wrote:
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In other her words, huge segments of this place we call earth.
We're also 17th (and falling, have been for years) on measures of economic freedom. That's from Heritage, a conservative think tank.

And on the human freedom index, we rank 15th (up two spots from the previous year). That's Cato, a libertarian think tank.
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Post by 955876 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:19 pm

I’d be curious to see the immigration #s to those places vs here.

You can PM them to me if you feel like looking them up.

I don’t.

Anyways, back to topic. I’m not feeling this season even happening.

My firm just extended our work from home and even floated it could be into next year.

Maybe the NFL pulls it off. Might not be worth it in the end depending on how it shakes out.

Season would blow if it’s nothing but a round table of which block of players are all out this week due to COVID.

Maybe things turn.

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Post by Scunge » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:16 am

I remember the 1987 NFL season with the 3 strike games.

When I picture this 2020 NFL season where players/starters may get Covid and have to be held out, it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad as it was in 1987.

Back then when the players went on strike, the NFL teams for the most part were signing a lot of former CFL and USFL players to play those 3 games. One of the guys that I loved to watch in those USFL games was QB Reggie Collier. His career never really took off like some thought, he had issues with drug use and criticism of not putting in the work to develop as a passer, but man, he was like a Lamar Jackson of his day, just a gifted running QB. He was Steve Bono's backup during those 3 games but did see some playing time.

Anyway, the point, is that if the NFL expanded the amount of players that they can keep, instead of a 53 man roster, say it was made 60, and then say you have a 10 man practice squad, say you have 70 players in all. If those players are all going through training camp, preseason, however that may end up being, then that is a whole lot better than it was in 1987.

Back in 87 they were literally signing unknowns off the street, with no experience in the system, some with no experience in the NFL even. Today, if 4-5 players come down sick and go into quarantine, at least the natural shuffling of the roster is with players that have been in the system all along. Hopefully the quality of play will not suffer too much, it will be magnitudes better than those games in 1987.

One last thing, wouldn't it be nuts if there is no season, there is some lottery to pick the draft order and the Pittsburgh Steelers have the first overall selection of the 2021 NFL draft??

So, with that first overall pick do the Steelers get their next franchise QB?? Or who would you pick?

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Post by Kodiak » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:39 am

Scunge wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:16 am
Anyway, the point, is that if the NFL expanded the amount of players that they can keep...

So, with that first overall pick do the Steelers get their next franchise QB?? Or who would you pick?
On the first point, it's just apples-to-oranges if you lose a stud like Ben or TJ vs. Vince Williams or Edmunds. Although, shit, we could win a couple games with Rudolph or Duck.

If PIT picks #1, I don't know how you don't take Trevor Lawrence. I think he may be more gifted, throwing and running, than even Aaron Rodgers. In your scenario, Ben hasn't played in 2 years and has a huge cap hit....trade him for an R3 - #1 pick is going to average $10M per year.

It gets much more interesting if you're picking, say, #8 and there was no 2020 college football....
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Post by stillthere » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 am
stillthere wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:35 am
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If you think that there won't be a plan in place for two mulitbillion-dollar business ventures- you're crazy.

There will be games even if there are no people there. Boxing and wrestling were awkward to watch but then they started pumping in crowd noise and everything is watchable. Before it looked like the start of some weird apartment wrestling porn.

If there are not games-

No one is going to sit back and allow the Bengals two first-round picks in two years. The draft will go into a lottery.
Weighted lottery or just 32 balls and the draft is the order they come out live on television?
I say 32 balls. And for TV drama purposes, the last ball out gets the #1 pick.
I would watch.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:13 am

stillthere wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 am
stillthere wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:35 am

Weighted lottery or just 32 balls and the draft is the order they come out live on television?
I say 32 balls. And for TV drama purposes, the last ball out gets the #1 pick.
I would watch.
And when the Pats win the first pick, followed by Baltimore with the second, what then will you do? :lol:
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:43 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:13 am
stillthere wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 am

I say 32 balls. And for TV drama purposes, the last ball out gets the #1 pick.
I would watch.
And when the Pats win the first pick, followed by Baltimore with the second, what then will you do? :lol:
The Steelers could get the 3rd pick. ;) And as long as the Pats didn't rig the lottery then so be it. :lol:

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Post by 955876 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:31 pm

And when the Pats win the first pick, followed by Baltimore with the second, what then will you do? :lol:
Sit and wait for pick 29...

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Post by Jobu » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:41 pm

stillthere wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 am
stillthere wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:35 am

Weighted lottery or just 32 balls and the draft is the order they come out live on television?
I say 32 balls. And for TV drama purposes, the last ball out gets the #1 pick.
I would watch.
Let me know what happens... :lol:

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:38 pm

Ice wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:23 am
Scunge wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:17 pm
What if the next NFL season is 2021?

When I ponder that question it raises so many other questions.

Imagine there are no college games either. Would there be a 2021 NFL draft? How do you figure out comp picks when those free agents signed in 2020 never played a game? It doesn't matter? You simply go by the contracts signed?

Do you follow through with an NFL draft anyway in 2021? So, if things come back to some sort of normal, there will be a season for 2021, then the Steelers might have two rookie draft classes the 2020 and 2021 players.

How do you even have an NFL 2021 draft? With no season played, the positioning, the draft slots do you go by the last played season record?

So, the first pick in the 2021 Steelers draft, Pittsburgh selects, with the 18th pick, ____________________?

Hey, I am off for 3 days and bored, but why not play along, who would you pick in this scenario?
B2B, this could totally be a thing...
It took me like a week to realize you meant for a SteelerFury draft version.

P.S.: if the season is cancelled, I’m thinking we should do a NFL redraft—all the current rostered players and you have to build a roster. Order determined by ping pong balls.

Let’s hope it never comes to that.
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Post by Ice » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:37 pm

Ha! If it happens, I'm in for any and all, but you already knew that ;) 8-)

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:45 am

955876 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:31 pm
And when the Pats win the first pick, followed by Baltimore with the second, what then will you do? :lol:
Sit and wait for pick 29...
Hahahahaha

That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Post by El Kabong » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:02 am

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:13 am
stillthere wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:30 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 am

I say 32 balls. And for TV drama purposes, the last ball out gets the #1 pick.
I would watch.
And when the Pats win the first pick, followed by Baltimore with the second, what then will you do? :lol:
I'm sure Ernie has an algorithm for that somehow.
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Post by Kodiak » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:37 am

How to do a draft with no season is a really tough question. You can't just use the same order again and give CIN the #1 pick again. But I also don't think it's totally fair to give everyone, including KC and other playoff teams, an equal chance at #1.

Not sure how you do that. Maybe cluster it, such that the teams who picked 1-7 last year have an equal shot at #1. Then the remaining 6, plus the 8th, have an equal shot at #2. And teams can only fall so far, so CIN might be guaranteed no worse than 10th. Similarly, KC wouldn't be able to do any better than like 22.

Some luck and some excitement around a drawing, but not entirely detached/independent from 2019.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm

IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm
IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.
Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:46 pm

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm
IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.
Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.
I don’t think it has dropped significantly from NY. And any drop will most likely be countered by step change in infections going the wrong way.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:20 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:46 pm
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm
IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.
Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.
I don’t think it has dropped significantly from NY. And any drop will most likely be countered by step change in infections going the wrong way.
I hope and pray that those that are getting it are strong and will not develop severe symptoms. I understand the cases are growing but it really looks like the death rate is dropping. Maybe somebody has better data or graphs.
https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:50 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:20 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:46 pm
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm


Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.
I don’t think it has dropped significantly from NY. And any drop will most likely be countered by step change in infections going the wrong way.
I hope and pray that those that are getting it are strong and will not develop severe symptoms. I understand the cases are growing but it really looks like the death rate is dropping. Maybe somebody has better data or graphs.
https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us
The WHO site not great on the iPhone. Worldometers pretty good on the iPhone.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/

Infection Fatality Rate (23k / 1.7M = 1.4% IFR)
Actual Cases with an outcome as of May 1 = estimated actual recovered (1,671,351) + estimated actual deaths (23,430) = 1,694,781.

Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).


I buy the 1.4% number for now. It will probably go down some more when they employ NY learnings to Texas and Florida and the like. It was adjusted for NY antibody testing and the deaths count was adjusted upwards....both numerator and denominator adjusted upwards scientifically.

If we hold at 50k new infections for the next month, that will be 20,000 deaths. If we get up to 100,000 infections per day that will obviously be 40k deaths, but the question remains does infection rate spiral out of control at that point?

1.4% fatality rate applied to the infection rate over a month doesn’t sound as awful looking at current trends, not to be confused with the mortality rate!

Maybe only 1 stadium full of people if we get our shit together as a country.


Please please please just don’t cancel the NFL. Could give two shits about college football.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58 am

Of course I do all the math above and then I read the US surpassed 3,000,000 infections.

3,000,000 x 1.4% = 42,000

US death toll = 134,854

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Post by El Kabong » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:00 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm
IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.
Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.
Fear mongers? Fear mongers????? JFC.
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:08 am

El Kabong wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:00 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:34 pm
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:26 pm
IV League just canceled their whole fall sports schedule; they will reevaluate the spring schedule at a later date.

That is one step closer to major conferences following suit, which means it is one step closer to pretty severe pressure being placed on the NFL.

When the deaths from the top 5 CV19 states come rolling in over the next month, unless there has been some significant step change in mortality rate, people’s appetite for risk will be altered fairly severely.

I suspect the deaths will probably be the equivalent of filling up 10 NFL stadiums with fans and dropping bombs on each when the dust settles.
Actually the death rate has declined significantly but that won't stop the fear mongers.
Fear mongers? Fear mongers????? JFC.
Well yes. It certainly seems that way to me. Constantly focusing on the negative. Rarely if ever mentioning any good news. I also hear in the tone of reporters voice. To me they really are trying to scare people.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:50 am

Connecticut Senator putting pressure on other conferences to cancel:

USA Today:

In the wake of the Ivy League announcing Wednesday that fall sports will not be held during the upcoming semester because of the COVID-19 pandemic, Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., called on other college sports conferences to do the same.

Football is in severe jeopardy! :cry:

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Post by Ice » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:50 am

Lot of major college programs suspending voluntary workouts.
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