3rd and 2 - 1st down and game is over

[Jizz Mop]

Handoff to JC that goes nowhere.

Have to give the Ravens credit there....they blew up our Oline, especially Pouncey who gets pushed backwards a few yards.

I know the play call there had to be a run to take clock....but play action would have prob been deadly. Downside of course if it falls incomplete and more clock is left for the Ravens they stand a better chance of winning.

Wish they would have gotten the first there but thankfully they won anyway. A first down would have saved a lot of us from near cardiac arrest brought on from stress and nerves.

Anyone see the push the Ravens got on that play?

[zeke5123]

I know it was officially 3rd and 2 but it was more like 3rd and 1. One wonders if a QB sneak was the better choice there. Probably not taking the chance with Ben's earlier hit to the arm.

Would've loved a quick little PA hit Vance in the flat. Of course, I would've liked PA on first down a lot more. If it is incomplete, then you know you have two downs to pick up a first down.

[Jizz Mop]

I know it was officially 3rd and 2 but it was more like 3rd and 1. One wonders if a QB sneak was the better choice there. Probably not taking the chance with Ben's earlier hit to the arm.

Would've loved a quick little PA hit Vance in the flat. Of course, I would've liked PA on first down a lot more. If it is incomplete, then you know you have two downs to pick up a first down.

Correct a long 3rd and 1

First down was a run

Then the slant to DJ

Guess PA was just too risky from a clock mgmt perspective

But man Ravens were not playing pass there at all

Total sell out on the run

[SteelerDayTrader]

3 runs and punt

Let your D take its chances against a team that heavily values running over passing

[Jizz Mop]

3 runs and punt

Let your D take its chances against a team that heavily values running over passing

Yeah...but the 2nd down play to DJ almost got the first

[Jobu]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

[stillthere]

I kind of wanted them to run the jet sweep to Claypool there. If he gets to the corner he is able to slide for the first down like he did against the Giants week 1.

[stillthere]

Also do we have an old school jump over the line guy. Remember when Walter Payton used to sky over the line for TD's. Henry jumped over the line against us for a TD last week against when we played Tennessee. (just spit balling)

[franco>madden]

I kind of wanted them to run the jet sweep to Claypool there. If he gets to the corner he is able to slide for the first down like he did against the Giants week 1.

My brother and I were both yelling "Jet Sweep!" at the sports bar.

At that moment it looked to be a little slower developing than some of our running plays earlier on...?

Anyway it's the Steelers! We knew we were in for a last-minute nail biter

[zeke5123]

Also do we have an old school jump over the line guy. Remember when Walter Payton used to sky over the line for TD's. Henry jumped over the line against us for a TD last week against when we played Tennessee. (just spit balling)

You don't want to do that in the field of play because it is asking for fumbles...

[zeke5123]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

[K_C_]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

The Ravens absolutely COULD NOT STOP the 5 wide.

Didn't stop it once I believe the entire game.

Go 5 wide and somebody's getting open fast, OR if they aren't Ben could either try to pick it up running forward or simply kneels down and we set up for the punt.

I'm still surprised they didn't go with the 5 wide and just ended the game.

[zeke5123]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

The Ravens absolutely COULD NOT STOP the 5 wide.

Didn't stop it once I believe the entire game.

Go 5 wide and somebody's getting open fast, OR if they aren't Ben could either try to pick it up running forward or simply kneels down and we set up for the punt.

I'm still surprised they didn't go with the 5 wide and just ended the game.

To that point, I almost want to come out five wide on first down. Not leave it to a particular down. You have three downs to get a first. If you get a first (provided you stay in bounds), then the game is basically over after three runs and a punt out of bounds.

You know the Ravens would bring the blitz looking to make a big play...call your best blitz beater.

[955876]

I kind of wanted them to run the jet sweep to Claypool there. If he gets to the corner he is able to slide for the first down like he did against the Giants week 1.

Was ok they ran. Didn’t like the very telegraphed & vanilla run they went with.

Was like ya duh this is going to get stuffed.

[Jobu]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

I can see the temptation, but the issue isn’t just Ben eats it if it isn’t open, but what if it is open but the pass gets tipped and falls incomplete? Or if it’s open and just dropped? Or heaven forbid, it’s open but gets tipped and intercepted.
I just think you have to run it there and make sure the clock keeps rolling.
Give the Rats an extra 45 seconds on that last possession, and...nightmares of Lamar scrambling out of 4 tackle attempts and high stepping into the end zone.

[Jobu]

I kind of wanted them to run the jet sweep to Claypool there. If he gets to the corner he is able to slide for the first down like he did against the Giants week 1.

Was ok they ran. Didn’t like the very telegraphed & vanilla run they went with.

Was like ya duh this is going to get stuffed.

Yep. As soon as I saw the offensive formation, I knew it was going nowhere. The Rats had everyone, and I mean everyone, defense, special teams, Lamar, Hollywood, Harbaugh, Romo and Nantz, in the box!

[jeemie]

I kind of wanted them to run the jet sweep to Claypool there. If he gets to the corner he is able to slide for the first down like he did against the Giants week 1.

My brother and I were both yelling "Jet Sweep!" at the sports bar.

At that moment it looked to be a little slower developing than some of our running plays earlier on...?

Anyway it's the Steelers! We knew we were in for a last-minute nail biter

Slow or fast...that play was dead when the Ravens’ defender slashed into the backfield and blew the play up.

[K_C_]

No problem with a run there...almost has to be a run since Rats were out of TOs.
I do have a problem with the blubber package run...It’s low percentage.

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

I can see the temptation, but the issue isn’t just Ben eats it if it isn’t open, but what if it is open but the pass gets tipped and falls incomplete? Or if it’s open and just dropped? Or heaven forbid, it’s open but gets tipped and intercepted.
I just think you have to run it there and make sure the clock keeps rolling.
Give the Rats an extra 45 seconds on that last possession, and...nightmares of Lamar scrambling out of 4 tackle attempts and high stepping into the end zone.

We threw it on second down which was risky but it gained like 7 yards.

I believe we were in the 5 wide on that play, which again, I'm not sure the Ravens stopped all day.

Throwing it on 3rd down to win the game, to me, should have been a given.

If you're willing to put it in the air on second down, no idea why you wouldn't on third down for the win.

[Jobu]

I don't see it that way. Run PA -- tell Ben if it isn't open eat the ball. You give up yards (which I get is important) but has a much higher chance of ending the game.

I can see the temptation, but the issue isn’t just Ben eats it if it isn’t open, but what if it is open but the pass gets tipped and falls incomplete? Or if it’s open and just dropped? Or heaven forbid, it’s open but gets tipped and intercepted.
I just think you have to run it there and make sure the clock keeps rolling.
Give the Rats an extra 45 seconds on that last possession, and...nightmares of Lamar scrambling out of 4 tackle attempts and high stepping into the end zone.

We threw it on second down which was risky but it gained like 7 yards.

I believe we were in the 5 wide on that play, which again, I'm not sure the Ravens stopped all day.

Throwing it on 3rd down to win the game, to me, should have been a given.

If you're willing to put it in the air on second down, no idea why you wouldn't on third down for the win.

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

[stillthere]

Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

I just recovered from a coronary yesterday and now you give me flashbacks and depression. Very unkind of you sir.

[Jizz Mop]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyNFwqtFFw0

Play occurs immediately in this video

[K_C_]

I can see the temptation, but the issue isn’t just Ben eats it if it isn’t open, but what if it is open but the pass gets tipped and falls incomplete? Or if it’s open and just dropped? Or heaven forbid, it’s open but gets tipped and intercepted.
I just think you have to run it there and make sure the clock keeps rolling.
Give the Rats an extra 45 seconds on that last possession, and...nightmares of Lamar scrambling out of 4 tackle attempts and high stepping into the end zone.

We threw it on second down which was risky but it gained like 7 yards.

I believe we were in the 5 wide on that play, which again, I'm not sure the Ravens stopped all day.

Throwing it on 3rd down to win the game, to me, should have been a given.

If you're willing to put it in the air on second down, no idea why you wouldn't on third down for the win.

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

There will probably be a few people who groan when I write this, but......

The Steelers need to incorporate the direct snap for a situation like what we saw yesterday.

This is another reason why I personally would like to see Josh Dobbs become the second string QB ahead of Mason.

Mason just fucking stands there for 4 quarters and let's face it, if Mason has to play we're probably in trouble.

Dobbs is a very fast, big motherfucker who would be PERFECT for direct snap type plays, when you need a yard or 2.

He also brings at least the threat of throwing the football.

If Dobbs isn't the answer then maybe Conner should be on the receiving end, but the Steelers need to start using the direct snap.

[stillthere]

We threw it on second down which was risky but it gained like 7 yards.

I believe we were in the 5 wide on that play, which again, I'm not sure the Ravens stopped all day.

Throwing it on 3rd down to win the game, to me, should have been a given.

If you're willing to put it in the air on second down, no idea why you wouldn't on third down for the win.

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

There will probably be a few people who groan when I write this, but......

The Steelers need to incorporate the direct snap for a situation like what we saw yesterday.

This is another reason why I personally would like to see Josh Dobbs become the second string QB ahead of Mason.

Mason just fucking stands there for 4 quarters and let's face it, if Mason has to play we're probably in trouble.

Dobbs is a very fast, big motherfucker who would be PERFECT for direct snap type plays, when you need a yard or 2.

He also brings at least the threat of throwing the football.

If Dobbs isn't the answer then maybe Conner should be on the receiving end, but the Steelers need to start using the direct snap.

Pouncey has enough issues the last year and a half getting clean snaps the the QB. I am not sure I want him angling snaps to RB.

[K_C_]

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

There will probably be a few people who groan when I write this, but......

The Steelers need to incorporate the direct snap for a situation like what we saw yesterday.

This is another reason why I personally would like to see Josh Dobbs become the second string QB ahead of Mason.

Mason just fucking stands there for 4 quarters and let's face it, if Mason has to play we're probably in trouble.

Dobbs is a very fast, big motherfucker who would be PERFECT for direct snap type plays, when you need a yard or 2.

He also brings at least the threat of throwing the football.

If Dobbs isn't the answer then maybe Conner should be on the receiving end, but the Steelers need to start using the direct snap.

Pouncey has enough issues the last year and a half getting clean snaps the the QB. I am not sure I want him angling snaps to RB.

Well, that's undeniable but the direct snap to a RB would allow Conner or whoever to actually see where he might have some sort of opening instead of running into a brick wall, which happens far too much to the Steelers in short yardage situations.

[Jobu]

We threw it on second down which was risky but it gained like 7 yards.

I believe we were in the 5 wide on that play, which again, I'm not sure the Ravens stopped all day.

Throwing it on 3rd down to win the game, to me, should have been a given.

If you're willing to put it in the air on second down, no idea why you wouldn't on third down for the win.

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

There will probably be a few people who groan when I write this, but......

The Steelers need to incorporate the direct snap for a situation like what we saw yesterday.

This is another reason why I personally would like to see Josh Dobbs become the second string QB ahead of Mason.

Mason just fucking stands there for 4 quarters and let's face it, if Mason has to play we're probably in trouble.

Dobbs is a very fast, big motherfucker who would be PERFECT for direct snap type plays, when you need a yard or 2.

He also brings at least the threat of throwing the football.

If Dobbs isn't the answer then maybe Conner should be on the receiving end, but the Steelers need to start using the direct snap.

EehKC, actually Dobbs isn’t very big...6’2” 218lbs, and not very fast...4.65 40 which is kinda pedestrian for a pro athlete. So no, he isn’t the answer.
As for the direct snap, Wildcat, to Conner or any other RB, we’ve seen that movie before, it was a tragedy.

[K_C_]

I get it, but 2nd and 8, vs 3rd and 1 are entirely different animals.
Maybe I’m just looking at it in hindsight, but the top priority there on 3rd down is keep the clock running.
Maybe the should’ve ran Ben on the sweep.

There will probably be a few people who groan when I write this, but......

The Steelers need to incorporate the direct snap for a situation like what we saw yesterday.

This is another reason why I personally would like to see Josh Dobbs become the second string QB ahead of Mason.

Mason just fucking stands there for 4 quarters and let's face it, if Mason has to play we're probably in trouble.

Dobbs is a very fast, big motherfucker who would be PERFECT for direct snap type plays, when you need a yard or 2.

He also brings at least the threat of throwing the football.

If Dobbs isn't the answer then maybe Conner should be on the receiving end, but the Steelers need to start using the direct snap.

EehKC, actually Dobbs isn’t very big...6’2” 218lbs, and not very fast...4.65 40 which is kinda pedestrian for a pro athlete. So no, he isn’t the answer.
As for the direct snap, Wildcat, to Conner or any other RB, we’ve seen that movie before, it was a tragedy.

Dobbs might have timed at 4.65 but he plays much, much faster.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tenn ... -steelers/

[K_C_]

I will also add that while I don't expect it'll ever happen, Dobbs would add a lot more to current Steelers situational football than Mason ever would.

"At the combine, his 4.64 40 was second among all QBs. He topped the three-cone and posted top-three numbers in both jump drills, albeit at a lean 6’3, 216. He also led this QB class in yards per carry and led the Vols in rushing while having one of the most productive throwing seasons in Tennessee history".

[Jobu]

I will also add that while I don't expect it'll ever happen, Dobbs would add a lot more to current Steelers situational football than Mason ever would.

"At the combine, his 4.64 40 was second among all QBs. He topped the three-cone and posted top-three numbers in both jump drills, albeit at a lean 6’3, 216. He also led this QB class in yards per carry and led the Vols in rushing while having one of the most productive throwing seasons in Tennessee history".

And none of that translates to success in the NFL. There have been dozens...hell hundreds of excellent college QBs that can’t find success in the league. It’s a different beast, no doubt about it.
Think about this...Dobbs has had two opportunities to take the #2 job from Rudolph, not exactly a daunting task, yet hasn’t been able to do it. He couldn’t crack the top 3 in Jax, where ond of the worst QB rooms resides.
I like Josh Dobbs, he’s a smart guy and brings value to the to Ben and the offense from the sideline. He has no business on the playing field, especially in a crucial situation.

[SteelerDayTrader]

The Steelers made a point of breaking tendency vs Ravens analytics

I bet the Steelers will continue to exploit that in the next 2 ravens games we play this season.

Im sure they didnt show them everything yesterday

[K_C_]

I will also add that while I don't expect it'll ever happen, Dobbs would add a lot more to current Steelers situational football than Mason ever would.

"At the combine, his 4.64 40 was second among all QBs. He topped the three-cone and posted top-three numbers in both jump drills, albeit at a lean 6’3, 216. He also led this QB class in yards per carry and led the Vols in rushing while having one of the most productive throwing seasons in Tennessee history".

And none of that translates to success in the NFL. There have been dozens...hell hundreds of excellent college QBs that can’t find success in the league. It’s a different beast, no doubt about it.
Think about this...Dobbs has had two opportunities to take the #2 job from Rudolph, not exactly a daunting task, yet hasn’t been able to do it. He couldn’t crack the top 3 in Jax, where ond of the worst QB rooms resides.
I like Josh Dobbs, he’s a smart guy and brings value to the to Ben and the offense from the sideline. He has no business on the playing field, especially in a crucial situation.

Well, Dobbs did win the job his first try. Then Mason came along and played incredibly well last preseason. He deserved the job and took it.

I think you're forgetting how REALLY, REALLY GOOD, Mason looked that preseason. Duck looked really good too. Dobbs didn't and he rightfully lost his spot on the roster.

Both aren't the Steelers QB of the future when Ben leaves. You know it and I know it. Hell, Duck has zero business being on an NFL field.

No arm.

But...Dobbs has excellent athletic ability. He can run, he's strong and has a very strong arm.

I'm not talking about making Dobbs Ben's back up if Ben were to miss a few weeks. I'd probably make Rudolph the man while Ben was out.

But....for the ability to actually help in a pinch during a game if Ben went out? For use situationally because of his athletic abilities?

I'd choose Dobbs.