Quick thoughts

[tbsteel]

-- One of the most embarrassing losses of the Tomlin era. No way around it.

-- Big Ben's first half was the worst half of football in his entire career. First play of the game Washington had two steps on his man and was streaking and Ben underthrew it by about 10 yards. That pretty much summed up his night. Awful accuracy, poor decision making, botched a snap for a huge lost fumble, threw one pick and could've thrown 3-4 more (deep ball to Washington, the out to Diontae that was nearly picked, and the ball William Jackson dropped immediately stand out). And in the two minute drill with the game on the line he doesn't get a single yard. He's not seeing the field, he's not accurate, and he's having a hard time coming off his first read. Absolute trash performance. His game needs to improve in a huge way.

-- Maybe the worst game of Villaneuva's career. Lawson completely schooled him all night. Both Villaneuva and Chuks struggled mightily.

-- How huge was that open field tackle by Minkah that gave us a chance at the end? Great play. He has been so clutch this season in those moments.

-- Glad to see DJ bounce back with a nice game. The work he put in looks like it's paid off. Made some really tough catches and looked like a ten year vet with his subtle OPI on his TD catch to create separation. Also did a good job of selling the DPI on Jackson on the fourth down pass that was pretty weak.

-- Benny Snell ran hard, pushed the pile, got the edge a few times, and contributed as a pass catcher out of the backfield, something that has been missing from this offense this year. Good night for him.

-- This team looks done. Maybe this loss will humble this crew and we can reset it. Otherwise, the nerd haters win again, we look like the worst 11-0 team in NFL history.

[LakecrestSteeler]

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-- Benny Snell ran hard, pushed the pile, got the edge a few times, and contributed as a pass catcher out of the backfield, something that has been missing from this offense this year. Good night for him.

He missed holes at critical times. Was a pedestrian performance. Things are that bad that he looked good. But he really sucked.

That is all. Agree with everything else.

[Steelperch]

It all boils down to an awful OC. The game planning and play calling have been hideous. Everyone in the world knows what’s coming and how to stop it. Zero adjustments have been made. The entire offense is a short passing game. No run game, intermediate passing, play action... it’s brutal.

[franco32]

It all boils down to an awful OC. The game planning and play calling have been hideous. Everyone in the world knows what’s coming and how to stop it. Zero adjustments have been made. The entire offense is a short passing game. No run game, intermediate passing, play action... it’s brutal.

I think Rustbelt sucks...but given the pass blocking efforts of our Oline vs WFT, Bills, and now Bengals...I can see why they are scared of slower developing routes.

[LakecrestSteeler]

It all boils down to an awful OC. The game planning and play calling have been hideous. Everyone in the world knows what’s coming and how to stop it. Zero adjustments have been made. The entire offense is a short passing game. No run game, intermediate passing, play action... it’s brutal.

Perch I disagree. Randy made one adjustment with the WR screen to open the half.


And then they never ran it again!

Fucking OC can suck a bag of baguettes!

[Orangesteel]

Delete.

[tbsteel]

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-- Benny Snell ran hard, pushed the pile, got the edge a few times, and contributed as a pass catcher out of the backfield, something that has been missing from this offense this year. Good night for him.

He missed holes at critical times. Was a pedestrian performance. Things are that bad that he looked good. But he really sucked.

That is all. Agree with everything else.

That's fair (although an overstatement to say he sucked). The run game has been so bad that even a solid performance looks like OJ Simpson running wild to my eyes.

[Orangesteel]

It all boils down to an awful OC. The game planning and play calling have been hideous. Everyone in the world knows what’s coming and how to stop it. Zero adjustments have been made. The entire offense is a short passing game. No run game, intermediate passing, play action... it’s brutal.

And he’s turned the OL into total trash. They are stuck in trench pergatory; the quick strike offense means they cannot hold their pass pro, and the same offense has turned them into the worst run blocking unit in pro football.

Mike Munchak...oh my god what a loss that was.

[RemoAZ]

Listening to the pressers, they have no clue how to fix it.

[LakecrestSteeler]

It all boils down to an awful OC. The game planning and play calling have been hideous. Everyone in the world knows what’s coming and how to stop it. Zero adjustments have been made. The entire offense is a short passing game. No run game, intermediate passing, play action... it’s brutal.

I think Rustbelt sucks...but given the pass blocking efforts of our Oline vs WFT, Bills, and now Bengals...I can see why they are scared of slower developing routes.

Franco the pass blocking is awful because the game plan is so awful.

There really are 10 in the box many times. There first step is towards the LoS every play LBs and CBs.

The refs are letting seventies style secondary coverage go on top of everything.

Put 5 wide on one side of the ball and let me see guys keep up with Claypool. I could get Claypool open every play. Run him through a trips wash from TE or slot position on strong or weak side. Nobody is touching him across the line backers.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Ben QB draws are open and he needs to run them too.

[Kodiak]

I can't believe no one has asked this.....did someone "bobbitt" The Grey?

[Jizz Mop]

Ben QB draws are open and he needs to run them too.

Yea...we need more of a Lamar Jackson look from Ben

[Jobu]

Ben QB draws are open and he needs to run them too.

Yea...we need more of a Lamar Jackson look from Ben

[LakecrestSteeler]

Ben QB draws are open and he needs to run them too.

Yea...we need more of a Lamar Jackson look from Ben

He missed one or 2 tonight. He would get 5-7 yards. It keeps the d honest. He is 38 not fucking 50 for Christ sake. Not a China doll.

[Jizz Mop]

My quick thought:

Never had a losing season

[Kodiak]

My quick thought:

Never had a losing season

"COY" talk faded even faster than the "MVP" talk.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Yea...we need more of a Lamar Jackson look from Ben

He missed one or 2 tonight. He would get 5-7 yards. It keeps the d honest. He is 38 not fucking 50 for Christ sake. Not a China doll.

Dirty little secret about Ben that no one seems to want to talk about is that Ben has been avoiding contact for a good 5 years, now.

I roll my eyes every time the announcers talk about how hard he is to being down. When was the last time you remember him muscling out of a tackle? The infamous stiff arm on Suggs?

And hey, he’s 38 years old. I certainly don’t expect him to be putting his should down to run over linebackers anymore.

But, at the same time, he clearly doesn’t want hit these days. So expecting him to scramble for some of the tough yards shouldnt be an expectation.

[Orangesteel]

A lot of that is right; and if you can’t scramble in the NFL these days, you are fucking toast.

All of the preseason talk was that Ben looked leaner and faster than he did in years. I don’t think he looks lean or fast.

Maybe it’s the knee. I don’t know. But his OL is one of the worst I’ve seen. CIN’s OL is widely regarded as maybe the worst in the league and their run blocking was better than ours tonight.

It’s a bad situation because Tomlin is again having to puff his chest and make all of these proclamations, but that is not wins playoff football games. You need strategy and you need scheme; both things that Tomlin GREATLY lacks.

I expect nothing from this squad. They are bad and getting worse.

[drmalba]

Ben QB draws are open and he needs to run them too.

Yea...we need more of a Lamar Jackson look from Ben

Thank you for a good belly laugh after that atrocity

[Stillerz Bar]

The last 4 games have been the epitome of "We do what we do." They seem bound and determined to run the plays they think SHOULD work instead if scheming plays the exploit the other team's weaknesses.

In addition, earlier in the season at least the dumb ass plays early in the game really did set up something different from the same look.later in the game. Now most of the fans know what play is coming a majority of the time.

Just so depressing that the coaches can't seem to figure out how to make even rudimentary changes.

[Orangesteel]

The last 4 games have been the epitome of "We do what we do." They seem bound and determined to run the plays they think SHOULD work instead if scheming plays the exploit the other team's weaknesses.

In addition, earlier in the season at least the dumb ass plays early in the game really did set up something different from the same look.later in the game. Now most of the fans know what play is coming a majority of the time.

Just so depressing that the coaches can't seem to figure out how to make even rudimentary changes.

Like I said...scheming and strategy are not Tomlin’s strengths. Chest pounding doesn’t win games in January.

[alancac98]

Just remember - Tomlin has an "out"! All of the injuries on the D side of the ball plus the Covid, scheduling things, and losing days off has taken it's toll on this team. Those will be the excuses as to why the Steelers have lost, will lose out, and be one and humiliated in the playoffs!!! it will have nothing to do with the coaches being too lazy to actually develop game plans vs their opponents weakness!

[Jizz Mop]

Just remember - Tomlin has an "out"! All of the injuries on the D side of the ball plus the Covid, scheduling things, and losing days off has taken it's toll on this team. Those will be the excuses as to why the Steelers have lost, will lose out, and be one and humiliated in the playoffs!!! it will have nothing to do with the coaches being too lazy to actually develop game plans vs their opponents weakness!

We don’t live in our fears

[LakecrestSteeler]

Just remember - Tomlin has an "out"! All of the injuries on the D side of the ball plus the Covid, scheduling things, and losing days off has taken it's toll on this team. Those will be the excuses as to why the Steelers have lost, will lose out, and be one and humiliated in the playoffs!!! it will have nothing to do with the coaches being too lazy to actually develop game plans vs their opponents weakness!

Agree for Defense, and it is legitimate! But that only explains 50%. The total collapse of the Offense will not go quietly into the night. Heads will roll on that. Not Tomlin’s of course.

[blu]

Just remember - Tomlin has an "out"! All of the injuries on the D side of the ball plus the Covid, scheduling things, and losing days off has taken it's toll on this team. Those will be the excuses as to why the Steelers have lost, will lose out, and be one and humiliated in the playoffs!!! it will have nothing to do with the coaches being too lazy to actually develop game plans vs their opponents weakness!

What has injuries on the D side have to do with not being able to get a first down & punting the ball away each time. It seemed like the Steelers were playing CFL rules & only had 2 downs before having to punt on the 3rd. I'm glad that the Steelers don't have to face the powerhouse Jets next week.

[SteelerDayTrader]

fuck this thread

[bradshaw2ben]

-- One of the most embarrassing losses of the Tomlin era. No way around it.
Indeed.

-- Big Ben's first half was the worst half of football in his entire career. First play of the game Washington had two steps on his man and was streaking and Ben underthrew it by about 10 yards. That pretty much summed up his night. Awful accuracy, poor decision making, botched a snap for a huge lost fumble, threw one pick and could've thrown 3-4 more (deep ball to Washington, the out to Diontae that was nearly picked, and the ball William Jackson dropped immediately stand out). And in the two minute drill with the game on the line he doesn't get a single yard. He's not seeing the field, he's not accurate, and he's having a hard time coming off his first read. Absolute trash performance. His game needs to improve in a huge way.
As I just wrote, I agree with your general premise, although the one to Diontae, Johnson 100% broke that route off too far down the field and the one to Jackson, Claypool stopped running his corner route right to that spot for some reason. Not getting a yard on the last drive was a function of a non-call DPI on a perfectly placed deep ball and Ben getting hit as he threw on 4th down. His line couldn't even protect him long enough to throw an 11-yard curl route.

-- Maybe the worst game of Villaneuva's career. Lawson completely schooled him all night. Both Villaneuva and Chuks struggled mightily.
100%

-- How huge was that open field tackle by Minkah that gave us a chance at the end? Great play. He has been so clutch this season in those moments.
Huge. Now, can he play inside linebacker?

-- Glad to see DJ bounce back with a nice game. The work he put in looks like it's paid off. Made some really tough catches and looked like a ten year vet with his subtle OPI on his TD catch to create separation. Also did a good job of selling the DPI on Jackson on the fourth down pass that was pretty weak.
Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Jagoff

-- Benny Snell ran hard, pushed the pile, got the edge a few times, and contributed as a pass catcher out of the backfield, something that has been missing from this offense this year. Good night for him.
He was completely inept in short-yardage. Hit the hole with some conviction, man. He ripped off a few nice runs and caught it well out of the backfield but I pretty much never want to see him in short-yardage ever again.

-- This team looks done. Maybe this loss will humble this crew and we can reset it. Otherwise, the nerd haters win again, we look like the worst 11-0 team in NFL history.
Or we'll be the worst 11-6 team of all-time!

[cop1211]

The Bengals defense looked like it knew what play was coming 75% of the time.

Bring back Joe Walton to run the offense he was better than homeless looking Randy.

[COR-TEN]

I successfully forgot last night's game. Truly forgettable.

But I do remember that something is seriously wrong with the offense, and they won't be able to fix it with the current roster. Coaches aside. This has been an ongoing problem for five games. And five games later the problem still persists.

Ugh.