Mark Madden of all people just said exactly what I’ve been seeing and thinking. Why does this team tend to play sloppy? Who do they have so many issues with players saying and doing stupid shit and putting out bulletin board material? Why does the team “unleash hell in December” and melt down late in the season year after year?
They have a culture problem. No discipline and no real leadership at the top, and it can’t be corrected while Mike Tomlin is here. Punting in 4th and 1 down by 12 with 15 minutes to play is inexcusable. But the reason for the consistent slop and unfocused play stems from lack of leadership from the head man in charge.
Rotten culture lacking discipline
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Orangesteel
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Michael Floyd Tomlin.
I’m so on this train with you. I don’t understand why so many “fans” of this team don’t see it. There is underachieving, then there is what Tomlin has done the last 11 years. It’s actually pretty impressive given the talent that has worn the black and gold since our last trip to the Super Bowl.
I will never take away Tomlin’s early success even if it was Cowher’s players. Winning a super bowl is hard. Getting there is hard. Playing in the Brady/Ernie Adams era is hard. But regardless of the competitive disadvantages, Tomlin’s boys never look ready to roll in January. They just don’t. There is a serious culture issue with the team right now. His message is stale. He doesn’t resonate with the young players anymore and the veterans aren’t picking up what he’s putting down.
If you root for this team and you think Tomlin is the guy still, well I don’t know what the fuck to tell you. We don’t see the world through the same lens.
I’m so on this train with you. I don’t understand why so many “fans” of this team don’t see it. There is underachieving, then there is what Tomlin has done the last 11 years. It’s actually pretty impressive given the talent that has worn the black and gold since our last trip to the Super Bowl.
I will never take away Tomlin’s early success even if it was Cowher’s players. Winning a super bowl is hard. Getting there is hard. Playing in the Brady/Ernie Adams era is hard. But regardless of the competitive disadvantages, Tomlin’s boys never look ready to roll in January. They just don’t. There is a serious culture issue with the team right now. His message is stale. He doesn’t resonate with the young players anymore and the veterans aren’t picking up what he’s putting down.
If you root for this team and you think Tomlin is the guy still, well I don’t know what the fuck to tell you. We don’t see the world through the same lens.
“Thoughts are a waste of time for me.” - Michael Pettaway Tomlin
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I agree with most of thatSteelperch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:15 amMark Madden of all people just said exactly what I’ve been seeing and thinking. Why does this team tend to play sloppy? Who do they have so many issues with players saying and doing stupid shit and putting out bulletin board material? Why does the team “unleash hell in December” and melt down late in the season year after year?
They have a culture problem. No discipline and no real leadership at the top, and it can’t be corrected while Mike Tomlin is here. Punting in 4th and 1 down by 12 with 15 minutes to play is inexcusable. But the reason for the consistent slop and unfocused play stems from lack of leadership from the head man in charge.
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Greeksteel
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Lack of discipline and leaders is a major major problem with this team.
Ironically enough the only time I can remember any visible discipline is when they completely neutered Ben after allegedville.
Ironically enough the only time I can remember any visible discipline is when they completely neutered Ben after allegedville.
Lost to a team w no HC, who was hit hard w Covid and could not practice albeit one makeshift one on Friday.
We only played one play the entire game where we weren’t losing. The opening kick off.
We are lucky to have Tomlin.
/sarca
We only played one play the entire game where we weren’t losing. The opening kick off.
We are lucky to have Tomlin.
/sarca
Our team looked as lost in this game as Pouncey's first snap...
Like a team so lost they felt they needed to have players only meetings.
Browns looked like they wanted it more, like the more focused more determined team, like the team with teeth, with heart, like the team playing in a game that mattered.
Our team took a cliff dive after 11-0.
Like a team so lost they felt they needed to have players only meetings.
Browns looked like they wanted it more, like the more focused more determined team, like the team with teeth, with heart, like the team playing in a game that mattered.
Our team took a cliff dive after 11-0.
Throw. The. Football. On. First. Down.
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Lack of discipline in the challenge process is the only thing that explains this egregious blown challenge!Steelperch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:15 amMark Madden of all people just said exactly what I’ve been seeing and thinking. Why does this team tend to play sloppy? Who do they have so many issues with players saying and doing stupid shit and putting out bulletin board material? Why does the team “unleash hell in December” and melt down late in the season year after year?
They have a culture problem. No discipline and no real leadership at the top, and it can’t be corrected while Mike Tomlin is here. Punting in 4th and 1 down by 12 with 15 minutes to play is inexcusable. But the reason for the consistent slop and unfocused play stems from lack of leadership from the head man in charge.
Thought this belonged here too. 14-0 in the 1st quarter, 3rd and 5. A throw to higgins gives the Browns a 1st down, and then they score on the next play.
Zoom in and look at the ball!
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LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:37 pmLack of discipline in the challenge process is the only thing that explains this egregious blown challenge!Steelperch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:15 amMark Madden of all people just said exactly what I’ve been seeing and thinking. Why does this team tend to play sloppy? Who do they have so many issues with players saying and doing stupid shit and putting out bulletin board material? Why does the team “unleash hell in December” and melt down late in the season year after year?
They have a culture problem. No discipline and no real leadership at the top, and it can’t be corrected while Mike Tomlin is here. Punting in 4th and 1 down by 12 with 15 minutes to play is inexcusable. But the reason for the consistent slop and unfocused play stems from lack of leadership from the head man in charge.
Thought this belonged here too. 14-0 in the 1st quarter, 3rd and 5. A throw to higgins gives the Browns a 1st down, and then they score on the next play.
Zoom in and look at the ball!
Wow, that is terrible. We probably would have turned it over again, but man, what a big miss.
This game will be referenced for years to come
Know how you get a little more confident when you hear your opponent has some key players out?
Well this is now a permanent fixture in Steelers history
October 2028:
Did you see the Ravens are missing 3/5ths of their offensive line for Sunday?
Please don’t start with that bullshit....did you forget the 2021 Browns playoff game where they didn’t have their HC or half their staff, their team was ravaged by Covid and they couldn’t practice?
Know how you get a little more confident when you hear your opponent has some key players out?
Well this is now a permanent fixture in Steelers history
October 2028:
Did you see the Ravens are missing 3/5ths of their offensive line for Sunday?
Please don’t start with that bullshit....did you forget the 2021 Browns playoff game where they didn’t have their HC or half their staff, their team was ravaged by Covid and they couldn’t practice?
They looked very much like a team at the start that had this win “penciled in” and were completely caught off guard when they fucked up early and when the Browns pounced on those mistakes with swagger.
And that starts at the top, like people are saying.
And Ben...once again he simply was not on target early in the game.
Fitting that our old guard is the one that put us behind the eight ball right from jump.
And that starts at the top, like people are saying.
And Ben...once again he simply was not on target early in the game.
Fitting that our old guard is the one that put us behind the eight ball right from jump.
“Yeah we suck, be there is a chance we could suck slightly more if we try to correct the problem.” - Art Deuce (summarized by SteelPerch)
Browns are the Browns
The team was flat
The team that couldn’t practice didn’t commit any turnovers or toss the opening snap over the QBs head
The team that was home, with a full coaching staff and down one player to Covid got embarrassed
Top 3 worst losses in Steelers history
I hate that motherf’ng Tomlin
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stairway 2 seven
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Trading Tomlin to Danny Snyder for picks would really be tempting right now if I was ownership.
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Professor Half Wit
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How about they looked like the team that
1. should have lost to the Ravens 2.0 (if LJ had played, the team would have been curb stomped)
2. lost to WFT
3. got their asses kicked by Buffalo
4. got humiliated by the Bengals
5. got humiliated by Colts for one half
This second half of the Colts game and the performance of the team with Mason at QB made us think maybe the team wasn't points 1-5. The team is points 1-5. If you consider the Bengals loss, the Cleveland Steamer is not at all surprising.
I don't buy the overlooking, penciled-in thesis. We saw the exact team we saw all of December.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
I don't even care About picks back - I would give Tomlin to anyone for free just firing his ass! From day one I knew he was a bad hire (there were a few of us here). I saw a man who worked harder on trying to sound smart than actually be smart! He just didn't have the football acumen - and we see t each and every year. He is a joke of a head coach and has always been. But, Rooney has handcuffed this team and effectively wasted a HOF QBs Career with that piece of shit hire!stairway 2 seven wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:58 pmTrading Tomlin to Danny Snyder for picks would really be tempting right now if I was ownership.
The taking the foot off the gas pedal with that stupid drive and punt is really the most galling thing about this game, other than giving the ball to Derek Watt TWICE.
That game was absolutely stupid. The only thing that made it anywhere near being close was Ben's ability to pull things out of his ass.
How was it the Browns could prepare to be without their HC and absolutely outplay the BG in all three phases. Did Mike Puntlin have money on the game?
But, it's Ben's fault, as usual. That'll be the script.
"As assistant head coach, Mitchell oversees staff development among the coaching staff, works with current and former players in career development, and assists Head Coach Mike Tomlin in community-related events."
Is John Mitchell the guy assigned to assist Puntlin in not being a stupid ass?
That game was absolutely stupid. The only thing that made it anywhere near being close was Ben's ability to pull things out of his ass.
How was it the Browns could prepare to be without their HC and absolutely outplay the BG in all three phases. Did Mike Puntlin have money on the game?
But, it's Ben's fault, as usual. That'll be the script.
"As assistant head coach, Mitchell oversees staff development among the coaching staff, works with current and former players in career development, and assists Head Coach Mike Tomlin in community-related events."
Is John Mitchell the guy assigned to assist Puntlin in not being a stupid ass?
"I'm institutionalized, man," he joked. "I gotta have it. I just love the challenges week in and week out that this job provides: the growth in it, the collective growth, the individual growth."
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Its the same conversation we have every year with this team. Nothing gets done though. "Good enough" is the enemy of great.
Some people have been so satisfied with a competitive regular season, that they're not willing to admit the MAJOR shortcomings in the games that matter most. Maybe yesterday will finally convince whatever fanbase is still behind this guy to jump ship.
But either way, Tomlin aint going anywhere unless he leaves on his own accord.
Another year, another epic collapse.
Some people have been so satisfied with a competitive regular season, that they're not willing to admit the MAJOR shortcomings in the games that matter most. Maybe yesterday will finally convince whatever fanbase is still behind this guy to jump ship.
But either way, Tomlin aint going anywhere unless he leaves on his own accord.
Another year, another epic collapse.
I have said this so often, I'm numb.
Juju's dancing video bullshit, is symptomatic of the constant look at me culture that is fostered, or at min, allowed, within the locker room.
This lack of control and ongoing tolerance of this type of behavior, is in large part, why AB and LB are on other rosters instead of playing for the team that drafted them.
If there were any one thing I wish Tomlin would be held accountable for, it is that. Managing his locker room so poorly, that the best, and potentially HOF, players want to leave. Now you can argue that the issues lie with the individuals, and that may be so, but we all know this shit wouldn't fly in a Belicheck locker room.
Anyway- Juju needs to be reeled in, or let walk, before he is too much of an influence on Claypool, who is already spouting "building my own brand" bullshit.
Juju's dancing video bullshit, is symptomatic of the constant look at me culture that is fostered, or at min, allowed, within the locker room.
This lack of control and ongoing tolerance of this type of behavior, is in large part, why AB and LB are on other rosters instead of playing for the team that drafted them.
If there were any one thing I wish Tomlin would be held accountable for, it is that. Managing his locker room so poorly, that the best, and potentially HOF, players want to leave. Now you can argue that the issues lie with the individuals, and that may be so, but we all know this shit wouldn't fly in a Belicheck locker room.
Anyway- Juju needs to be reeled in, or let walk, before he is too much of an influence on Claypool, who is already spouting "building my own brand" bullshit.
It's not just the coaches.
Who are the leaders on the team? Big Ben, Pouncey, Heyward are the top three that come to mind...
Those guys are just as responsible for what goes on in that locker room.
Who are the leaders on the team? Big Ben, Pouncey, Heyward are the top three that come to mind...
Those guys are just as responsible for what goes on in that locker room.
*reserves the right to roots for losses*
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Professor Half Wit
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WTF was up with Cam not destroying a third stringer?!?! Mystifying! What was his name, Dunn?
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
Was there any rebuke to JJSS doing that mask-free dancing bullshit?
If not, that's really quite unacceptable.
If not, that's really quite unacceptable.
"I'm institutionalized, man," he joked. "I gotta have it. I just love the challenges week in and week out that this job provides: the growth in it, the collective growth, the individual growth."
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These guys need a coach, not a friend.
I hear constantly from current and former players that they love Tomlin and would go through a wall for him.
Too bad they can't go through a 4th string guard for him.
At some point it's time to become a parent, not a brother. I don't care if Mike Tomlin or anyone else on the team says Juju works hard... he's a distraction, and you haven't won with him. Juju is just one example. I don't care if your QB needs time off, the team needs to be ready.
The whole team has failed, therefore how they go about their business is to be questioned.
The performance is not there... playtime and dance time needs to end, vet time needs to go away.
I hear constantly from current and former players that they love Tomlin and would go through a wall for him.
Too bad they can't go through a 4th string guard for him.
At some point it's time to become a parent, not a brother. I don't care if Mike Tomlin or anyone else on the team says Juju works hard... he's a distraction, and you haven't won with him. Juju is just one example. I don't care if your QB needs time off, the team needs to be ready.
The whole team has failed, therefore how they go about their business is to be questioned.
The performance is not there... playtime and dance time needs to end, vet time needs to go away.
SteelerDayTrader, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
NO...NO...NO!
What the fuck are you guys talking about?
Mike Tomlin is a great motivator and leader of men. Plus, maybe you haven’t heard, he’s never...EVER had a losing season. Coach Cool Shades is the MAN!
What the fuck are you guys talking about?
Mike Tomlin is a great motivator and leader of men. Plus, maybe you haven’t heard, he’s never...EVER had a losing season. Coach Cool Shades is the MAN!
Even Dan Synder knows that would be dumb now.stairway 2 seven wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:58 pmTrading Tomlin to Danny Snyder for picks would really be tempting right now if I was ownership.
Unless we are talking a couple of 5ths...
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SOCALSTEEL
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Or maybe it’s the opposite?He doesn’t resonate with the young players anymore
Just had that article talking about the greatness that is Mike Tomlin and one of the points was how well he communicates with the young guys.
Can dress them down on the field and then be seen jibbin & jabbering with them later at their locker.
He’s likely too soft on these punk ass kids.
Their is no fear.
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Exactly! All the excuses about no Dupree etc.Browns had a OLineman going against our our world DLine that just met the team last night.Not to mention the other missing Browns.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:45 pmWTF was up with Cam not destroying a third stringer?!?! Mystifying! What was his name, Dunn?
What a shit show
Does this mean no ping pong table next year???
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Orangesteel
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Haha
All activities are banned until further notice!
“Thoughts are a waste of time for me.” - Michael Pettaway Tomlin
ding ding ding
You know what players REALLY like? Winning. Belicheat is a damn tyrant. Remember how much Coughlin was hated? I bet those guys didn't hate two rings, though.
"Not losing the locker room" is, literally, loser talk. You don't lose the locker room when you're winning. It's easy to be liked when you let guys do whatever they want. But being liked while running a tight ship IS an actual skill, one Tomlin has never been interested in finding out if he possesses it.
3 playoff wins in a decade says it all. Tomlin has done just enough to avoid getting fired, at least if we had a different owner. Back years ago, after 4-5 years without a playoff win he gets gifted one by CIN, which gave him more time. Should have been on the hot seat last year, but then he pulls 8-8 out of Colbert's ass.
His defense - the ONE thing he brings to the table - has gotten destroyed in 3 straight playoff losses. He's a net negative to this team on offense. No way is Tomlin ever doing more than [rarely] lucking into a playoff win. Singular. He's just not smart enough, and he definitely doesn't work hard enough.
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stillthere
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That ship sailed a while ago. He was selling Mapletron shirts before the season started. Started his youtube page before the season started. Twitter, Tiktok, etc....
That is just part of the new sports world that everyone is going to be dealing with.
