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So the gameplan

Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:24 pm

...was to win the filed position battle??

Read it and weep, or get pissed off all over again.



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Post by fractalsteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:40 pm

This is who the Pittsburgh Steelers are. I mean their HC
Behind the times
Stubborn
Arrogant
Unwilling to change

It is almost like the postseason isn't that important to him. Keep the legacy alive-no losing seasons.
What a shame we have to put up with this.

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Post by alancac98 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:47 pm

Tomlin is not going to like Chase giving away all this info. It makes him look more stupid than we already know he is!

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Post by Jobu » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:49 pm

Sooooo....the main focus of the Tomlin attrition offense isn’t to score points? I’m shocked, I tell ya...SHOCKED! :roll:

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:50 pm

And this is why, we have a playoff win in 2 of the past 10 seasons.

He's a current era post season strategy coaching idiot.

That's Bill Parcells field position football who I would not want to be our HC in this era either.

Mike Tomlin is stuck in a time warp. A playoff win in 2 of the past 10 seasons is reason to be fired (as if NO in 2018 with a 4 point lead and 15:00 to play wasn't reason enough)

BTW,

I said I could see the Steelers possibly declining as a franchise... that was false. The Pittsburgh Steelers have already declined as a franchise for the past 10 years with a playoff win in only 2 of the past 10 seasons compared to the post season standard Cowher upheld with a playoff win in over 50% of the seasons that Cowher was HC.

Getting to the playoffs but not winning a single game over time beats down a fanbase. The Steelers fanbase is beat down.

Mike Tomlin so badly needs to be fired.
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Post by TTP » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:51 pm

Are you surprised? This is basically how the Steelers play all the time. I swear Tomlin's ideal game is winning 17-13 with the D on the field at the end. This is what he dreams about at night. That style is basically how the he won the SB in 2008 and he's stuck with it ever since. Sure, there were a couple of years where he was begrudgingly forced to open it up a bit when the D was absolute trash. Now that the D is good again (aside from the playoff debacle), Tomlin is back in his comfort zone. It was working early in the season but there were warning signs all along. The conservative offense was living on luck, turnovers by the D, and a weak schedule. It was obvious to me that the offense was built on a house of cards long before they started losing.

Here's something depressing about the game: when BR took the field down 21-0 he had thrown just 3 passes - 2 completions for 9 yards, 1 INT.

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Post by Jobu » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:52 pm

I said I could see the Steelers possibly declining as a franchise... that was false. The Pittsburgh Steelers have already declined for the past 10 years with a playoff win in only 2 of the past 10 seasons ...
I fear it will get worse...much worse.

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Post by jeemie » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm

Mike Tomlin simply does not understand offense.

Nothing in his 14 years as Steelers' head coach convinces me he understands offense in the slightest.

And it reflects through the chain.

Chuck Noll was a defensive specialist but he spent six years with the Chargers under Sid Gillman, who was considered one of the offensive geniuses of the day.

Bill Cowher was defense and special teams and we equate him with defensive football, of course, but he understood and signed off on some pretty modern offenses for the time. I mean...he managed to be 11th in points scored with Mike Tomczak as QB.

Tomlin has ridden Ben Roethlisberger's arm and athleticism and has never developed nor hired coaches who have developed modern offensive concepts. You cannot convince me he has. Maybe briefly with Arians.

The guy simply does not get that part of the game. He's remembering 2008 to this day and thinks that's still the way you win games in today's NFL.
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Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm

Tomlin himself said in his presser, doing the same thing over again is the definition of insanity, wonder if AR2 was listening.

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Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:58 pm

jeemie wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
Mike Tomlin simply does not understand offense.

Nothing in his 14 years as Steelers' head coach convinces me he understands offense in the slightest.

And it reflects through the chain.

Chuck Noll was a defensive specialist but he spent six years with the Chargers under Sid Gillman, who was considered one of the offensive geniuses of the day.

Bill Cowher was defense and special teams and we equate him with defensive football, of course, but he understood and signed off on some pretty modern offenses for the time. I mean...he managed to be 11th in points scored with Mike Tomczak as QB.

Tomlin has ridden Ben Roethlisberger's arm and athleticism and has never developed nor hired coaches who have developed modern offensive concepts. You cannot convince me he has. Maybe briefly with Arians.

The guy simply does not get that part of the game. He's remembering 2008 to this day and thinks that's still the way you win games in today's NFL.
Imagine having a first ballot HOF QB and your focus and modus operandi, is winning the field position battle. Unreal

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Post by Jobu » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
Tomlin himself said in his presser, doing the same thing over again is the definition of insanity, wonder if AR2 was listening.
So does that make Tomlin’s entire career, insanity?

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Post by Texas Steel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 pm

Jobu wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:49 pm
Sooooo....the main focus of the Tomlin attrition offense isn’t to score points? I’m shocked, I tell ya...SHOCKED! :roll:
"Your winnings, sir."

As if any of us are shocked by any of this. We've known for years that this is how Puntin' Mike rolls.

Field position means shit if they're scoring points. The modern NFL is a track meet, race to get more points than your opponent. SMH

More than anything, we need a new philosophy. A great defense is something to be proud of, but their job is easier if you're not behind in scoreboard.

This team... :roll:

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Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:00 pm

Jobu wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
Tomlin himself said in his presser, doing the same thing over again is the definition of insanity, wonder if AR2 was listening.
So does that make Tomlin’s entire career, insanity?
lol thats what i meant, AR2 watching the same shit over and over again.

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:58 pm
jeemie wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
Mike Tomlin simply does not understand offense.

Nothing in his 14 years as Steelers' head coach convinces me he understands offense in the slightest.

And it reflects through the chain.

Chuck Noll was a defensive specialist but he spent six years with the Chargers under Sid Gillman, who was considered one of the offensive geniuses of the day.

Bill Cowher was defense and special teams and we equate him with defensive football, of course, but he understood and signed off on some pretty modern offenses for the time. I mean...he managed to be 11th in points scored with Mike Tomczak as QB.

Tomlin has ridden Ben Roethlisberger's arm and athleticism and has never developed nor hired coaches who have developed modern offensive concepts. You cannot convince me he has. Maybe briefly with Arians.

The guy simply does not get that part of the game. He's remembering 2008 to this day and thinks that's still the way you win games in today's NFL.
Imagine having a first ballot HOF QB and your focus and modus operandi, is winning the field position battle. Unreal
Not only that, consider the makeup of the 2018 roster, and this is the offensive imbecile we had leading that roster. That team had no business missing the playoffs and arguably should have won a post season game with offense leading the way but you can't accomplish that if you don't employ overall game strategy to have your offense lead the way.
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Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:09 pm

Havoc wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:58 pm
jeemie wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
Mike Tomlin simply does not understand offense.

Nothing in his 14 years as Steelers' head coach convinces me he understands offense in the slightest.

And it reflects through the chain.

Chuck Noll was a defensive specialist but he spent six years with the Chargers under Sid Gillman, who was considered one of the offensive geniuses of the day.

Bill Cowher was defense and special teams and we equate him with defensive football, of course, but he understood and signed off on some pretty modern offenses for the time. I mean...he managed to be 11th in points scored with Mike Tomczak as QB.

Tomlin has ridden Ben Roethlisberger's arm and athleticism and has never developed nor hired coaches who have developed modern offensive concepts. You cannot convince me he has. Maybe briefly with Arians.

The guy simply does not get that part of the game. He's remembering 2008 to this day and thinks that's still the way you win games in today's NFL.
Imagine having a first ballot HOF QB and your focus and modus operandi, is winning the field position battle. Unreal
Not only that, consider the makeup of the 2018 roster, and this is the offensive imbecile we had leading that roster. That team had no business missing the playoffs and arguably should have won a post season game with offense leading the way but you can't accomplish that if you don't employ overall game strategy to have your offense lead the way.
Ben Bell AB ...was the Alien still around in 2018?

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:10 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:09 pm
Havoc wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:58 pm


Imagine having a first ballot HOF QB and your focus and modus operandi, is winning the field position battle. Unreal
Not only that, consider the makeup of the 2018 roster, and this is the offensive imbecile we had leading that roster. That team had no business missing the playoffs and arguably should have won a post season game with offense leading the way but you can't accomplish that if you don't employ overall game strategy to have your offense lead the way.
Ben Bell AB ...was the Alien still around in 2018?
That was JuJu's monster 2nd season as AB's sidekick. And a strong OL.

No Bell, Conner made the pro bowl.

And McDonald made an impact that season, his best season with us.
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Post by Greeksteel » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:12 pm

Havoc wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:10 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:09 pm
Havoc wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:05 pm


Not only that, consider the makeup of the 2018 roster, and this is the offensive imbecile we had leading that roster. That team had no business missing the playoffs and arguably should have won a post season game with offense leading the way but you can't accomplish that if you don't employ overall game strategy to have your offense lead the way.
Ben Bell AB ...was the Alien still around in 2018?
That was JuJu's monster 2nd season as AB's sidekick. And a strong OL.

No Bell, Conner made the pro bowl.
ok we still didnt get a sniff with the aforementioned 4 who were lighting it up at the time.

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:14 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:12 pm
Havoc wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:10 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:09 pm


Ben Bell AB ...was the Alien still around in 2018?
That was JuJu's monster 2nd season as AB's sidekick. And a strong OL.

No Bell, Conner made the pro bowl.
ok we still didnt get a sniff with the aforementioned 4 who were lighting it up at the time.
And McDonald made an impact in 2018, his best season with us.
Throw. The. Football. On. First. Down.

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Post by 955876 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:25 pm

Jobu wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:52 pm
I said I could see the Steelers possibly declining as a franchise... that was false. The Pittsburgh Steelers have already declined for the past 10 years with a playoff win in only 2 of the past 10 seasons ...
I fear it will get worse...much worse.
Need to flip your thinking and embrace the suck.

If it doesn’t get worse, it’ll never get better.

The worse we do and the faster we do it the sooner we can finally move forward from Jibba Jabba.

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Post by 955876 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:39 pm

Reading that article is all one needs to know about why we’ve been a joke for the last 10 years.

I want to keep momentum in terms of field position?

Ummm the goal is to score points.

When the bar you set for yourself is so low (get a single first down) it tells you all one needs to know about the mindset of this team that constantly lives in its fears.

Shouldn’t the opening drive goal be to put opening drive points on the board?

Nope. We reserve those objectives for a later in the game. We don’t yet know how our opponent intends to defends blades of grass so our plan is to ease in and hopefully get a first down. That way we can punt the ball in order to allow our defense to defend the appropriate blades of grass.

WTF???

Fire this man!!!!!

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:21 pm

you guys take many press conferences and media statements way too seriously :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Post by Baltostiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:27 pm

This just cements my comment earlier, shit tactician (win the field position battle) and game day imbecile (punt down 12).

Yet this dumb motherfucker's job is safer than the Pope's. (Benedict was forced out)

Sucks for us...

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Post by 955876 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:30 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:21 pm
you guys take many press conferences and media statements way too seriously :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
What was said in the article and why Jibbs says in his pressers is reflected by their actions on the field.

This is how they play.

This is their focus.

Tomlin really did in fact punt on 4th and 1 to start the fourth. And really did believe it was the right choice.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm

955876 wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:25 pm
Jobu wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:52 pm
I said I could see the Steelers possibly declining as a franchise... that was false. The Pittsburgh Steelers have already declined for the past 10 years with a playoff win in only 2 of the past 10 seasons ...
I fear it will get worse...much worse.
Need to flip your thinking and embrace the suck.

If it doesn’t get worse, it’ll never get better.

The worse we do and the faster we do it the sooner we can finally move forward from Jibba Jabba.
I honestly believe that A2 will never can Mike Tomlin. He will be xcoaching the Steelers for a long, long time, I’m afraid.
There are only three scenarios where Tomlin leaves...
1-He retires.
2-Another team makes him offer that blows him out of the water.
3-A2 retires, one way or the other, and the next Rooney in line for the throne, whoever that is, has Dan’s football acumen.

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Post by BouldernBun » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Freaking depressing. It never ends.

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