Bush Was Being Benched for Key Snaps

[franco32]

There were numerous times in the 2nd half were Bush was pulled in favor of Spillane. The key third down where Landry fumbled was one. The massive 4th and 12 at the end was another.

Is Spillane better on key passing downs than our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder?

[Jizz Mop]

Bush really pissed me the F off on the Browns TD run

I mean wtf was he doing on that play?

Horrible

[Pabst]

I mean wtf was he doing on that play?

Over pursuing. Minkah had the RB contained on the outside. Bush was responsible for the cutback.

[Jizz Mop]

I mean wtf was he doing on that play?

Over pursuing. Minkah had the RB contained on the outside. Bush was responsible for the cutback.

Big time….but when the RB cutback Bush sort of stood upright and slapped his hands or some stupid shit….

[stinger8]

This is out there I admit but what about letting Edmonds walk after this year he is a disappointment and ask Bush to loose 5-10 lbs and work exclusively at improving speed direction change etc and move him to a hybrid type SS position?

He is looking more bustish by the game whatcha got to lose??

Run a 3-4-1-3?? I remember when the 3-4 defense was considered radical.

[Orangesteel]

On Johnson’s TD run, Bush’s controller was disconnected.

[zeke5123]

This is out there I admit but what about letting Edmonds walk after this year he is a disappointment and ask Bush to loose 5-10 lbs and work exclusively at improving speed direction change etc and move him to a hybrid type SS position?

He is looking more bustish by the game whatcha got to lose??

Run a 3-4-1-3?? I remember when the 3-4 defense was considered radical.

He can't cover RBs. How can we expect him to cover TEs or the occasional WR? Edmunds is a better player than Bush.

[TTP]

Spillane has been playing over Bush in certain packages for a couple of weeks now, usually 1 DL, 4 LBs, and 6 DBs. This is something new (I think!) that I don't remember them doing in the past.

Not sure if Spillane was playing over Bush in other packages vs. Cleveland.

I actually think that Bush played pretty well this week, with the notable exception of the horrific angle taken on the Brown's TD.

[Charles Demarr]

Bush and Edmunds were horrible again yesterday.

[zeke5123]

Spillane has been playing over Bush in certain packages for a couple of weeks now, usually 1 DL, 4 LBs, and 6 DBs. This is something new (I think!) that I don't remember them doing in the past.

Not sure if Spillane was playing over Bush in other packages vs. Cleveland.

I actually think that Bush played pretty well this week, with the notable exception of the horrific angle taken on the Brown's TD.

On the first Browns 4th down, Bush almost gave up what should've been an easy stop when he got juked out of his jock strap. Thankfully, others were there and Bush recovered.

[stinger8]

This is out there I admit but what about letting Edmonds walk after this year he is a disappointment and ask Bush to loose 5-10 lbs and work exclusively at improving speed direction change etc and move him to a hybrid type SS position?

He is looking more bustish by the game whatcha got to lose??

Run a 3-4-1-3?? I remember when the 3-4 defense was considered radical.

He can't cover RBs. How can we expect him to cover TEs or the occasional WR? Edmunds is a better player than Bush.

Edmunds has proven what he is a below average football player, he maybe better than Bush, that aint sayin much but he is 3 years older. Bush still gets some leeway due to his age and potential for improvement. He does not look like he can handle ILB at the NFL level, time to try something different.

[fractalsteel]

I mean wtf was he doing on that play?

Over pursuing. Minkah had the RB contained on the outside. Bush was responsible for the cutback.

Yup.
Minkah had great outside leverage ready to funnely it inside to Bush who decided to leave his lane and obstruct Minkah. Talk about a lack of instincts.
Basically Bush not only ignored his assignment he got in the way of another Steeler trying to do his job.
A glaring fuck up on his part.

[Stosh-67]

I mean wtf was he doing on that play?

Over pursuing. Minkah had the RB contained on the outside. Bush was responsible for the cutback.

Bush running free at or along the LOS....and completely missing, whiffing....
Its a weekly occurrence.

Was it last week, where he shot thru untouched and ran into the backfield 3-4 yards to the left or right of the running back. It almost looked like he was running to another running back with the ball.
Maybe he has double vision and he is aiming for the ghost image of the double image.

Hence, he may be right in line to make the perfect hit, except he is hitting the ghost image of his eyesight.
I kid. maybe.

But he just may not have those football instinct.

It is certainly a pattern of Tomlin draft picks.
Fall in love with the physical specimen.....that may not have the football instincts.

Sometimes the football instincts come. Sometimes it needs time, coaching.

Look at a few of the physically gifted players, Tomlin / KC drafted. Or great speed, great body......but not the great football instincts.

Timmons - it eventually came. He did not have the bee line to the ball instincts for a few years.
Woodley - physical size and ability was there from the start - body broke down. got paid.
Shazier - not great instincts, it was coming. He may have never been a 140-150 tackle a year guy. But he was on the right path
Dupree - physical freak. It took years for the game to slow down. He became very good at playing the run and getting to the QB.
TJ - Pedigree. Football instincts from being around it his whole life. Puts the work in to improve his body. High energy, non stop motor.

Edmunds and Bush -
I think Tomlin just fell in love with these guys.....like Timmons and Shazier and Dupree.

Did Tomlin fall in love with the fact Edmunds was also, like Tomlin, a Virginia kid, who went to a Virginia school ...V.T.
Did he like the story of the 2 Edmunds boys playing together.
Tremaine was clearly the superior player. Many thought Terrell could have been had in the 2nd round.

This is year 4 for Edmunds. He has 1 pass defended in 7 games. He may be just a player that is filling a spot at this point.

The trade up for Bush is looking bad.
Some said so that day.
I was hoping, like Dupree...that it would start to click.

He has ZERO pass defended.
This is year 3.
On pace for only 80 tackles. Mind you, our defense has been on the field alot this year. Plenty of opportunities.
I will not give up on him.

It took Timmons 3-4 years. Year 3 he had 78 tackles and 7 sacks. Year 4 he exploded. 136 tackles, 9 pass defended. 2 INTs, 3 sacks.




Sometimes love at first site is all appearance. Maybe all the time in life.

I think the Steelers just lock into a guy long before the draft and put the blinders on.

[Greeksteel]

Terrible trade up for Bush, no way i give him a C2

[SteelerDayTrader]

Spillane is a lot less talented but at least he enjoys being a football player and will attempt to make plays

Bush Edmonds Schobert Fitzpatrick all have serious warts

Hopefully WILB and SS are drafted 1 and 2 this draft

There is NO WAY I give Fitzpatrick a C2

Just way too many instances of him taking bad angles missing run fits poor tackling attempts and most of all having a soft streak way too often

[daikyu]

I don't think Bush is all the way back from his knee injury.

Physical/Mental or a combination of the two it seems Bush is playing much worse than he was pre injury.

[DP39]

Spillane is a lot less talented but at least he enjoys being a football player and will attempt to make plays

Bush Edmonds Schobert Fitzpatrick all have serious warts

Hopefully WILB and SS are drafted 1 and 2 this draft

There is NO WAY I give Fitzpatrick a C2

Just way too many instances of him taking bad angles missing run fits poor tackling attempts and most of all having a soft streak way too often

I think Minkah has an exact opposite situation than Troy had. Troy could use his physical and mental skills to freelance and make plays all over the field, and one big reason they worked was because he had Ryan Clark sitting back there with him (and doing the right thing almost always) allowing him to be Troy.

Minkah has just the opposite, imo. He has to slow down and double check a lot of the time because Edmunds is often doing the wrong thing. I can't wait for Norwood and his high IQ to have enough time to get his body NFL S ready so he can take over for Edmunds. Please make it so!

[LakecrestSteeler]

There were numerous times in the 2nd half were Bush was pulled in favor of Spillane. The key third down where Landry fumbled was one. The massive 4th and 12 at the end was another.

Is Spillane better on key passing downs than our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder?

Hopefully they are just moneyballing with key units. There is a ton of talent between Spillane, Bush and Joe.

Heyward said they really focused on gap control and shedding blocks so the ILBs could flow to the ball and the secondary could clean-up.

I am guessing that focus played into using Spillane differently this week to support run stopping.

Maybe Bush’s gaffe yesterday was caused by that pressure and focus on stopping Chubb. It was like he hit the panic button and nitro and was out of control.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Spillane is a lot less talented but at least he enjoys being a football player and will attempt to make plays

Bush Edmonds Schobert Fitzpatrick all have serious warts

Hopefully WILB and SS are drafted 1 and 2 this draft

There is NO WAY I give Fitzpatrick a C2

Just way too many instances of him taking bad angles missing run fits poor tackling attempts and most of all having a soft streak way too often

I think Minkah has an exact opposite situation than Troy had. Troy could use his physical and mental skills to freelance and make plays all over the field, and one big reason they worked was because he had Ryan Clark sitting back there with him (and doing the right thing almost always) allowing him to be Troy.

Minkah has just the opposite, imo. He has to slow down and double check a lot of the time because Edmunds is often doing the wrong thing. I can't wait for Norwood and his high IQ to have enough time to get his body NFL S ready so he can take over for Edmunds. Please make it so!

Norwood can’t play SS for the Steelers and succeed

He could replace Minkah at FS and be a big improvement

Drafting Smith and Brisker at WILB and SS and putting Norwood at FS would fix a lot of problems

One of the bigger problems with Fitzpatrick is he is going to get very expensive soon.

If unload him and give Norwood a shot ....even if he doesn’t work out well....at least on the finance end he is an easy replace

Minkah just fails way too often for me to give him a large C2

[955876]

Blows my mind that our defensive HC and and DC who is also a longtime LB coach watched tape on Bush and came away feeling we needed to trade multiple pics to move up for this POS.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Blows my mind that our defensive HC and and DC who is also a longtime LB coach watched tape on Bush and came away feeling we needed to trade multiple pics to move up for this POS.

I suspect the Steelers were so desperate for WILB help they saw his numbers and hoped it would work out

The Steelers 3-4 will never work against good teams without great talent at WILB and SS

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Luckily we don't play 3-4 but about a quarter of the time. That said, I really like the idea of Watt, Schobert and Spillane on the field at the same time. This gives us a highly cerebral middle of the defense and appears to minimize boneheaded mistakes by a good bit. Maybe Bush will come around, maybe he won't. Either way, we have the players on the roster to replace him.

[Scunge]

See when I watched this game it pointed out that the defense was doing things differently, doing things that did not make sense often times, way above my pay grade in understanding it at first.

We all are sitting here throwing Edmunds and Bush under the bus for not stopping this run, or that run. But come on people! Look at the bottom line!

Browns were averaging what was it? 170 yards rushing entering the game and in this game at home they got 96 yards rushing?

They were a lowly 3 of 10 on 3rd downs and 0 for 2 on 4th downs.

Much was made in the broadcast about Nick Chubb entering the game, how he is great, how he is back, look at how he averages over 5 yards a carry every season. How his last game he had 161 yards rushing.

But in this game, this lame Steelers defense with these busts like Bush and Edmunds playing, well Nick Chubb averaged a wimpy 3.8 yards per carry and had 61 yards rushing.

Obviously things are not so clear. When I rewatched it sure looked like there were adjustments made from that Seattle game where we were being gouged and bullied in the run game on defense.

Now, yes, yes, I do think Bush won't have his 5th year option picked up, and that he really is a bust from the perspective that we gave up so much for him and much was expected. Edmunds on the other hand, I fully expect the Steelers to resign him in the offseason.

I often daydream about what we could have had with those 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks if we hadn't drafted Bush.

Denver with our 20th pick that year took TE Noah Fant, players taken in the 4 picks after were S Darnell Savage and RB Josh Jacobs.
Denver took TE Drew Sample with our 2nd round pick, AJ Brown was taken right before that pick, MeCole Hardman and DK Metcalf were taken later in that 2nd round.

Denver took Lloyd Cushenberry a C with our 3rd round pick in 2020. Still to early to tell what players have developed or that we missed out on from that draft.

We traded up for one player in Bush and we expected greatness but instead we got a JAG and now look back and wonder what might have been if we had kept those picks

[K_C_]

Spillane is a lot less talented but at least he enjoys being a football player and will attempt to make plays

Bush Edmonds Schobert Fitzpatrick all have serious warts

Hopefully WILB and SS are drafted 1 and 2 this draft

There is NO WAY I give Fitzpatrick a C2

Just way too many instances of him taking bad angles missing run fits poor tackling attempts and most of all having a soft streak way too often

I think Minkah has an exact opposite situation than Troy had. Troy could use his physical and mental skills to freelance and make plays all over the field, and one big reason they worked was because he had Ryan Clark sitting back there with him (and doing the right thing almost always) allowing him to be Troy.

Minkah has just the opposite, imo. He has to slow down and double check a lot of the time because Edmunds is often doing the wrong thing. I can't wait for Norwood and his high IQ to have enough time to get his body NFL S ready so he can take over for Edmunds. Please make it so!

Yep. STD is too stupid to understand that Minkah is basically trying to do the work of 2 safeties and any QB with half a brain is going to attack Edmunds when he's in coverage.

Fitzpatrick is a HUGE piece of this defense. He IS the swagger. He will hit your ass and he'll hit you late if need be to wake the defense up.

Once the SS position is upgraded, Minkah will get back to making big plays on a regular basis.

[955876]

Bottom line for Devin is that for a #10 overall he’s far too invisible far too often. Need to start calling him Casper the friendly fucking ghost till he starts actually making his presence felt.


Like Bush in a 70s porn, we need to trim that shit and upgrade to a much smoother player.

Steelers will likely bid against themselves to retain this hairy gash.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Spillane is a lot less talented but at least he enjoys being a football player and will attempt to make plays

Bush Edmonds Schobert Fitzpatrick all have serious warts

Hopefully WILB and SS are drafted 1 and 2 this draft

There is NO WAY I give Fitzpatrick a C2

Just way too many instances of him taking bad angles missing run fits poor tackling attempts and most of all having a soft streak way too often

I think Minkah has an exact opposite situation than Troy had. Troy could use his physical and mental skills to freelance and make plays all over the field, and one big reason they worked was because he had Ryan Clark sitting back there with him (and doing the right thing almost always) allowing him to be Troy.

Minkah has just the opposite, imo. He has to slow down and double check a lot of the time because Edmunds is often doing the wrong thing. I can't wait for Norwood and his high IQ to have enough time to get his body NFL S ready so he can take over for Edmunds. Please make it so!

Yep. STD is too stupid to understand that Minkah is basically trying to do the work of 2 safeties and any QB with half a brain is going to attack Edmunds when he's in coverage.

Fitzpatrick is a HUGE piece of this defense. He IS the swagger. He will hit your ass and he'll hit you late if need be to wake the defense up.

Once the SS position is upgraded, Minkah will get back to making big plays on a regular basis.

Lolololz


Go ahead and name the last time Fitzpatrick dropped the hammer on anyone

[K_C_]

Go ahead and name the last time Fitzpatrick dropped the hammer on anyone

Fitz was the only guy to hit Mayfield with any authority on Sunday. Sent him flying out of bounds zero doubt trying to fuck up his non-throwing shoulder.

I loved it.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Go ahead and name the last time Fitzpatrick dropped the hammer on anyone

Fitz was the only guy to hit Mayfield with any authority on Sunday. Sent him flying out of bounds zero doubt trying to fuck up his non-throwing shoulder.

I loved it.

Lolololz

a cheap shot on a QB out of bounds is not enough to erase the fact that when he has to compete against more evenly matched opponents he usually comes up smal and soft

[K_C_]

Go ahead and name the last time Fitzpatrick dropped the hammer on anyone

Fitz was the only guy to hit Mayfield with any authority on Sunday. Sent him flying out of bounds zero doubt trying to fuck up his non-throwing shoulder.

I loved it.

Lolololz

a cheap shot on a QB out of bounds is not enough to erase the fact that when he has to compete against more evenly matched opponents he usually comes up smal and soft

Keep hoping Minkah gets traded, stupid.

See how that works out for you.