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Mason EZ INT

Post by Deebo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:22 pm

Big point of the game. Lots of people automatically blame MR and I question that considering our WR's have history of being dopes.

Has there been any clarification or someone taking responsibility on this play?
Isn't it possible that DJ ran his route too deep and/or didn't come back hard enough?



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Post by Rod & Wire Mill » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:26 pm

Deebo wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:22 pm
Big point of the game. Lots of people automatically blame MR and I question that considering our WR's have history of being dopes.

Has there been any clarification or someone taking responsibility on this play?
Isn't it possible that DJ ran his route too deep and/or didn't come back hard enough?
Possible? I’d hazard the opinion it’s near certitude

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:28 pm

The corner read the play perfectly and DJ rounded off his route a little too much and didn't exactly try and fight for inside position (which on a timing pattern, the receiver has to get inside the DB) but that throw is still on Mason.

I'm convinced that game becomes a nail biter if we score there. Huge mistake by Rudolph and most likely DJ's stupidity played into that pick too.
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Post by Steel Bingo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:47 pm

That was a fairly lucky play from the Buf CB.

He's going to drop that ball far more than he will have that - look what I found - moment.

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Post by DumlinBumlinStumlin » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:18 pm

Mason shouldn't have thrown it. Period It's on him
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Post by SteelPro » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:33 pm

That was a bad pick. That’s 99% on Mason. All that being said.. even great QBs throw some bad picks. I’m not saying Mason is great by any stretch. But this play doesn’t take away from the good things he did over the last month. Hell.. he did some good things in this game. One thing I think he proved yesterday is that his arm has more than adequate arm strength to play in shitty cold weather conditions. He’s a legit NFL QB now. Not an elite one. But he’s going to have a lengthy career as a fringe starter/good backup.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:30 pm

I would say we should design some offensive plays inside the 10 that creates open receivers.
Picks, rubs......
I would say watch other teams and see how they get a TE or RB WTF open after they block and release to the opposite side of the field that most of the blocking and direction is heading....

I would say design plays to your 6'-4" WR that knows how to high point a ball with a pass that hits him high or sails out of the back of the end zone.

I would say put a FB in the backfield............in on one of the running plays.

How about Adams in at FB......dude is pretty quick, and stoudt.....

I would say go heavy run package with a FB and RB in the backfield.........and roll out your 6'-7" TE after he was in blocking for 22 of his 23 snaps.

I would say put DJ wide left with Mooth in the slot same side........motion DJ towards the QB......snap ball and have DJ change direction, look at mooth and hit DJ sprinting left......while DB had to change direction twice......

OR.......GO 5 WIDE, EMPTY BACFIELD, ELIMINATE RUN / PASS GUESSWORK OR RUN THREAT FOR DEFENDERS.....AND BE DUMB FUCKS BEFORE THE SNAP OF THE BALL......BEFORE BREAKING THE HUDDLE.......BEFORE CALLING AND SENDING IN THE PLAY.........BEFORE GETTING DRESSED FOR THE GAME....BEFORE FLYING TO BUFFALO......BEFORE CONJURING UP A GAME PLAN.........
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Post by Jtf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:39 pm

Mason needs to throw it little more to sideline. Receiver needs a better route it was awful. Almost like the route claypool ran last week that ended game

Now picket doesn’t make that throw. He doesn’t have anticipation to do it. Prob runs into a sack eventually

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:53 pm

Jtf wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:39 pm
Mason needs to throw it little more to sideline. Receiver needs a better route it was awful. Almost like the route claypool ran last week that ended game

Now picket doesn’t make that throw. He doesn’t have anticipation to do it. Prob runs into a sack eventually
It was an awful play call.

Bad route by Johnson but Mason seemed to wait a split second longer than he was supposed to when he let that go.

If the ball comes out on time, it's probably just an incomplete pass because of Johnson's rounded off route.

WR needs to be a high priority this draft.
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Post by jeemie » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:52 pm

Poor route...poor throw (Mason needs to to throw it faster and more to the sideline)...and nothing else on the play to take attention away from DJ.
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Post by anpsteel » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:08 am

Semi related,

For the life of me, I do not understand why tf they don’t design a post or deep cross, in the red zone, where the qb targets Freiermuth or Washington, and just puts it up where they can elevate to take advantage of size mismatches

Ben threw 2 to Frieremuth one rookie preseason game, and we’ve never seen it since


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Post by franco32 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:17 am

Mason didn't throw it quickly enough but also DJ's route was poor.

But, going back to coaching, it's 2nd and goal from the 4. We go empty and motion out Najee as the outside receiver. He also has Allen Robinson on that side. Freiermuth gets doubled up the middle because no one is scared of Allen Robinson. Najee does nothing of course. The play design and play call are atrocious.

Other teams try to actually disguise runs and passes. We just telegraph them.

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Post by jeemie » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:11 am

franco32 wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:17 am
Mason didn't throw it quickly enough but also DJ's route was poor.

But, going back to coaching, it's 2nd and goal from the 4. We go empty and motion out Najee as the outside receiver. He also has Allen Robinson on that side. Freiermuth gets doubled up the middle because no one is scared of Allen Robinson. Najee does nothing of course. The play design and play call are atrocious.

Other teams try to actually disguise runs and passes. We just telegraph them.
Yep, Bills just dropped seven into coverage forming a line across the EZ.

The routes were all easy to defend because none of them were disguised/clear outs/picks, etc
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Post by Jams » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:58 am

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:28 pm
The corner read the play perfectly and DJ rounded off his route a little too much and didn't exactly try and fight for inside position (which on a timing pattern, the receiver has to get inside the DB) but that throw is still on Mason.

I'm convinced that game becomes a nail biter if we score there. Huge mistake by Rudolph and most likely DJ's stupidity played into that pick too.
The defender had his back to the ball when Mason released it. Thats exactly how he's supposed to throw it. the defender turned around and got lucky. Dorin Dickerson basically broke it down on 93.7 the fan this morning.

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Post by K_C_ » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:05 am

Jams wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:58 am
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:28 pm
The corner read the play perfectly and DJ rounded off his route a little too much and didn't exactly try and fight for inside position (which on a timing pattern, the receiver has to get inside the DB) but that throw is still on Mason.

I'm convinced that game becomes a nail biter if we score there. Huge mistake by Rudolph and most likely DJ's stupidity played into that pick too.
The defender had his back to the ball when Mason released it. Thats exactly how he's supposed to throw it. the defender turned around and got lucky. Dorin Dickerson basically broke it down on 93.7 the fan this morning.
Well, when the defender has his back to the ball, it's up to the receiver to see the ball and try to fight for position to get to the throw or at the very least, to knock it down. While the throw might have been too inside and you could be correct that the corner just got lucky, if DJ ran a better, more concise route AND actually fought for position instead of just watching what unfolded (a very DJ thing to do - ....and fuck it, get an OPI just make fucking sure that ball isn't intercepted!) then I would put close to 100% blame on Mason.
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Post by daikyu » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:07 pm

That throw was too far to the inside. Mason acknowledged it himself in the presser. If Mason puts that throw further to the sidelines it is the receiver or no one. Mason's throw gave the defender a chance to make a play on the ball and the defender did.

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Post by Havoc » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:52 pm

SteelPro wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:33 pm
That was a bad pick. That’s 99% on Mason. All that being said.. even great QBs throw some bad picks. I’m not saying Mason is great by any stretch. But this play doesn’t take away from the good things he did over the last month. Hell.. he did some good things in this game. One thing I think he proved yesterday is that his arm has more than adequate arm strength to play in shitty cold weather conditions. He’s a legit NFL QB now. Not an elite one. But he’s going to have a lengthy career as a fringe starter/good backup.
Agree on a lengthy career as a fringe starter/good backup

He climbed higher than I thought he would. Good for him. Been a good soldier and kept grinding. And nice moments for him RS this year.

I will say though, looked to me like the football floated a little when he threw it in Buffalo. Hence the fringe starter who you might be able to win a lot of games with if you had to/good backup
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